Patrick Roy to retire

[Guest hockeytown9321]

So many Patrick memories for me. Giving up 9 goals in his last game with Montreal, 6 in game 7 to Detroit last year. Getting whipped by Mike Vernon. Marty Lapointe's shot in game 6 of the 97 WCF that ripped through his glove. All good times. I'll miss the son of a bitch.

 

And Terry Sawchuk was the best goalie ever. Remember they only played around 70 games then, and he split time with Johnny Bower in the 2nd half of his carrer. Nobody else ever swept the entire playoffs like Sawchuk did in 52, not allowing a single goal in the Olympia.

[Guest CanadianChris]

I don't know who the greatest goalie ever is. I do know that the five greatest are Terry Sawchuk, Jacques Plante, Glenn Hall, Vladislav Tretiak, and Roy, in some order.

[Guest treble charged]

TSN had Hasek at #2, right behind Roy in their list of top 10 goalies of all time. I'm torn as to whether I agree with that or not.

[Guest BobbyWhioux]

Patrick Roy is probably the best goalie I've ever seen. I don't consider myself knowledgable enough to compare him to Plante or Tretiak. But in his era I think Roy is probably the best. Just because he was so great for so long.

 

Maybe you can mention Hasek and Brodeur in the same sentence as him [i'm still impressed by Hasek beating the world and winning the 98 gold medal for the Czechs as close to by himself as any individual can ever win a team game], and they had their moments where they were on par with him or even a little above him [brodeur does have him dead to rights in stickhandling with the puck...but then again you don't need your goalie to SCORE goals, you need him to STOP them]. But its Roy being The Man for so long that gives him the nod. Great for 18 years is better than being Great for 10.*

 

'Sides, his name literally means "The King."

 

* = I just picked 10 because I *think* that's how long Hasek and Brodeur were/have been starters in the league. I guess Brodeur might have been around a bit longer than that, but I'm pretty sure Hasek's run was 10 years.

[Guest CanadianChris]

I put Hasek a little lower because -- and I'm not saying this to be mean -- he never won jack. One Olympic gold medal and one Stanley Cup final doesn't cut it.

 

Tretiak gets special consideration from me because of where he was from and the fact that Russians couldn't leave to join the NHL in his era. But he was Hasek before Hasek was Hasek, only BETTER, if you can believe it. I've seen tapes of the game between Red Army and the Canadiens (the greatest game ever played), as well as old Summit Series tapes, and he was stunningly brilliant in goal. A shame he never got to play over here, but the fact he's the only goalie never to have played in the NHL in the Hall of Fame should tell you something.

[Guest MaxPower27]

Hasek made 2 Cup Finals.

[Guest CanadianChris]

Hasek made 2 Cup Finals.

What, the Chicago sweep by Pittsburgh in 1991? I don't think he'd even want that counted.

[Guest MaxPower27]

Buffalo (99) and Detroit (02)

[Guest CanadianChris]

Buffalo (99) and Detroit (02)

 

Geez, I must've completely blocked last season out of my head. How'd that happen?

 

[Guest MaxPower27]

I sense sarcasm, I think...

 

Although playing on that team last year, I could have won the Stanley Cup.

[Guest CanadianChris]

No, no sarcasm...I honestly forgot he won the Cup last season.

 

Of course, I don't have many memories of the playoffs last year after round 2, so...

[Guest MaxPower27]

Yeah, that much is true. I only remember thinking "Colorado is going to fuck up Detroit" going into Game 7 of the WCF. Of course, I was wrong.

[Guest treble charged]

Yeah, I think Hasek may have carried the Sabres to a lot of their success over the past 10 years, or so, as well as the Czech's Gold medal in '98, but he wasn't really all that integral to Detroit's Cup last year (however, look at how pretty much the same team this year did without him), which is why I probably wouldn't rank him as high as #2, like TSN did. I'd definitely say he's top 10, though.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

Hasek in away reminds me of someone like Sandy Koufax. Didn't have the longevity that a Patrick Roy had, but for a stretch of about 8 years he was dominate.

[Guest BANKYWOOD]

Roy has nothing on Sawchuk and Glenn Hall.

 

And for the rest of you 'Roy is the greatest goalie I've ever seen' people, why don't you compare Roy's career records with Brodeur's. Do it, you'll be kinda surprised. Forget Hasek and Roy, Broduer is the greatest goalie of the past 20-30 years.

[Guest MaxPower27]

Roy has nothing on Sawchuk and Glenn Hall.

 

And for the rest of you 'Roy is the greatest goalie I've ever seen' people, why don't you compare Roy's career records with Brodeur's. Do it, you'll be kinda surprised. Forget Hasek and Roy, Broduer is the greatest goalie of the past 20-30 years.

And once again, Brodeur has had the smothering, boring defense that gives up less that 25 shots a game, while Roy has had offensive minded teams in front of him.

[Guest treble charged]

Brodeur's a great goalie and I'd love to have him on my team, but he's played for better teams than Roy did for the first part of his career. Roy and Hasek were bigger parts of their team's success than Brodeur was.

[Guest BANKYWOOD]

Roy has nothing on Sawchuk and Glenn Hall.

 

And for the rest of you 'Roy is the greatest goalie I've ever seen' people, why don't you compare Roy's career records with Brodeur's.  Do it, you'll be kinda surprised.  Forget Hasek and Roy, Broduer is the greatest goalie of the past 20-30 years.

And once again, Brodeur has had the smothering, boring defense that gives up less that 25 shots a game, while Roy has had offensive minded teams in front of him.

Thats all bullshit. How can you discredit Bordeur's superior GAA and save percentage on the Devil's trap. So what. Roy has had tremendous defense's in front of him over the years. Defenses that are just as good as the Devil's right now. This will be his third Stanley Cup ring in 10 years of play. And look at the Devils before Broduer joined them? They were mediocre at best. He has made them a complete team, a team that quietly dismantles nearly everyone they face. Patrick Roy is considered an icon because he played mainly on a Canadian franchise. The Montreal Canadiens are the most stories hockey team in NHL history. For him to be a wonderful goalie and pick up from where Lafleur, Richard, Beliveau, and other offensive Canadiens superstars left off made him the legend he is today. Is Roy great? Damn rights he is. Is he overated by the Canadian media? Damn rights. Does Brodeur get the respect he deserves? Nope. Why? Because he plays in fucking New Jersey...the asshole of American sportsteams (minus Buffalo, haha).

 

When all is said and done, Brodeur will blow Roy's records out of the water, and he DESERVES to be put ahead of Roy is the class of Shawchuk and Hall.

[Guest MaxPower27]

I'm not denying that Marty is a good goalie, I just think that if he played on a team with a less than OK defense, that we wouldn't be having this conversation. Defense matters, and Marty has had the best defense in the NHL sitting in front of him. I'm sure that he has a great GAA and SP, but that's due to the fact that he hardly faces a respectable amount of shots in a game

 

If he keeps playing, yes, we'll be talking about him as one of the best of all time. But not before Patrick. I'd rank Marty above Hasek certainly, but I'm not stupid enough to rate him higher than one of the most influential goaltenders in league history.

[Guest BANKYWOOD]

I'm not denying that Marty is a good goalie, I just think that if he played on a team with a less than OK defense, that we wouldn't be having this conversation. Defense matters, and Marty has had the best defense in the NHL sitting in front of him. I'm sure that he has a great GAA and SP, but that's due to the fact that he hardly faces a respectable amount of shots in a game

 

If he keeps playing, yes, we'll be talking about him as one of the best of all time. But not before Patrick. I'd rank Marty above Hasek certainly, but I'm not stupid enough to rate him higher than one of the most influential goaltenders in league history.

Why is he influential? Explain it to me. I just can't comprehend why he should be considered anything close to the best ever. I fucking monkey could have backstopped the Avs team to victory over the past few years. And when the Avs did lose, it was because Roy decided not to bring his game. He was a terrible sportsman who occasionally let his ego overcome his actual ability. Moreso than Brodeur, he'd mail-in games and go through the motions to prove a point. Moreover, he would put up a fight if things didn't seem to be going his way.

 

ie. Not playing for Canada in the Olympics and the 11-0 atrocity before his trade to the Avs.

 

As Canadian media does with all of their stars, they paint them to be greater than they truly were. He'll be remembered because he was the first GREAT Montreal Canadien goalie. He was the best player who led them to the promise land throughout the 1980's and '93. I really don't see his play with the Avs as that revolutionary. I mean really, this is a team with Foote, Forsberg, Blake, Sakic, De Vries, Hejduk, and other amazing stars. He was simply a piece in the puzzle, not the clear-cut star like Broduer is for the Devils.

[Guest CanadianChris]

Forget Hasek and Roy, Broduer is the greatest goalie of the past 20-30 years.

No, that's Vladislav Tretiak.

 

And Brodeur may be the best goalie in the past decade, but he's never had a chance to really prove it. He hesn't carried a team to the Stanley Cup on his back, as Roy did twice, and Hasek almost did in '99.

[Guest BANKYWOOD]

Forget Hasek and Roy, Broduer is the greatest goalie of the past 20-30 years.

No, that's Vladislav Tretiak.

 

And Brodeur may be the best goalie in the past decade, but he's never had a chance to really prove it. He hesn't carried a team to the Stanley Cup on his back, as Roy did twice, and Hasek almost did in '99.

Broduer has carried this team on his back for the past 10 years!! They wouldn't have had ANY of their success without him. Quite honestly, thats the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard. Ask anyone on the team, they'd tell you that they wouldn't be anywhere without their cornerstone in net.

[Guest CanadianChris]

Forget Hasek and Roy, Broduer is the greatest goalie of the past 20-30 years.

No, that's Vladislav Tretiak.

 

And Brodeur may be the best goalie in the past decade, but he's never had a chance to really prove it. He hesn't carried a team to the Stanley Cup on his back, as Roy did twice, and Hasek almost did in '99.

Broduer has carried this team on his back for the past 10 years!! They wouldn't have had ANY of their success without him. Quite honestly, thats the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard. Ask anyone on the team, they'd tell you that they wouldn't be anywhere without their cornerstone in net.

Well, then, riddle me this: Where are his Conn Smythe Trophies? It's no coincidence that the Conn Smythe winner has been a defensive player (Lemieux in '95, Stevens in 2000) both years Jersey won the Cup. Jersey leans on their defence so they don't HAVE to lean on their goalie.

Edited May 29, 2003 by CanadianChris

[Guest nl5xsk1]

a) Brodeur is a very good goalie, but he doesn't have the career numbers that Brodeur has. When he's got the same career #s as Roy (wins, playoff wins, Conn Smythes, Vezinas, etc) then you can say he's better. Until then, the numbers don't lie.

 

b) Regardless of how strong the Avs have been since Roy was traded there, the Habs teams that he won a Cup with would not have won either without him. The one in '86 was when the game was MUCH more open and offensive so it was tougher on the goalies, and his performance in '93 was amazing. The fact that he beat a Kings team with #99 is pretty impressive.

 

c) Cups won by the Quebec/Denver organization without Roy: Zero. Cups won by the Quebec/Denver organization with Roy: Two. He obviously played a role in those wins ... to say that he carried the Avs to a Cup would be an overstatement, but to say that a monkey could have won them is laughable.

 

d) Influential in that 28 of the teams have a French-Canadian goalie who plays the style of goalie that Roy is known for, and have admitted that his style of playing is what they've patterned their own playing after. Sounds kind of influential to me.

 

e) and BANKYWOOD, how could you say that Roy was the first Great Canadiens goalie? Have you not heard of Ken Dryden? Or Georges Vezina? Or Jaques Plante?

[Guest CanadianChris]

a) Brodeur is a very good goalie, but he doesn't have the career numbers that Brodeur has.  When he's got the same career #s as Roy (wins, playoff wins, Conn Smythes, Vezinas, etc) then you can say he's better.  Until then, the numbers don't lie.

That's the other thing...how is it that supposedly the best goalie in the past 20 years has NEVER won the Vezina trophy?

[Guest redbaron51]

The only reason why Brodeur is any good is that defence doesn't give much scoring opportunities.

 

My top 10:

 

1.) Terry Sawchuck

2.) Jaques Plante

3.) Vladislav Tretichak

4.) Patrick Roy

5.) Glenn Hall

6.) George Vezina

7.) Ken Dryden

8.) Johnny Bower

9.) Dominik Hasek

10.) Tony Esposito

[Guest MaxPower27]

The only reason why Brodeur is any good is that defence doesn't give much scoring opportunities.

BINGO

[Guest BANKYWOOD]

You're all crazy.

 

That is all.

[Guest Grenouille]

He'll be remembered because he was the first GREAT Montreal Canadien goalie.

 

By this do you mean a goalie from the province of Quebec or just goalies for the Canadiens? The Habs had Ken Dryden and Jacques Plante before Roy and they were pretty great themselves.