Guest CoreyLazarus416 Report post Posted June 2, 2003 Non-existant, huh? You do realize that Cannibal Corpse is MOSTLY bass, right? Alex F'N Winters. God dammit, I'm sick and fucking tired of everybody assuming that we talk death metal just because we like metal. Notice how there wasn't a fucking SINGLE death band mentioned until the 3rd post in? Rob Zombie is industrial rock, Slayer is metal/thrash metal, Metallica used to be thrash metal and then hard rock and now is apparently nu-metal. NOT FUCKING DEATH METAL. Death metal has its HUGE upsides. The Gothenburg scene, for example, is incredible. In Flames, Dark Tranquility...I'll just stop there. They prove that there's a LOT more to death metal than just growling about ripping the intestines out of somebody. Hell, even Arch Enemy proves there's more. Even the hilarious SIX FEET UNDER does more songs about politics than they do about death in general. There's crap in every genre, and the crap always outweighs the great. Just because we happen to enjoy talking about metal, doesn't mean that metal is all that we listen to. For fuck's sake, I made a post about SCATMAN JOHN and his greatness. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mindless_Aggression Report post Posted June 3, 2003 Death metal isn't really my thing, although I do respect some acts, I respect acts in every genre of music, although do try to keep the Chris Barnes related projects away from me. Then again, I find Vader amusing. Not necessarily in the "This is great music" type of way but amusing none the less. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted June 3, 2003 SFU blows goats. Comedy is the only thing they could be considered. The covers are annoying to me, a couple originals are decent, like "Holocaust" and "Manipulation," but then they've got stuff like "4:20" which is just so incredibly cheesy and lame that it's really beyond compare. Personally, I like the more recent Cannibal Corpse stuff quite a bit. Gore Obsessed and Gallery of Suicide are a couple really mean albums. Death metal takes some fast fingers, and a sick mind to give it substance. Cryptopsy has some killer basslines, as does Cannibal Corpse, Nile, and many others. As for the other comments regarding its complexity..have you ever HEARD death metal? Six Feet Under doesn't count. Bands like Cryptopsy, Nile, Dying Fetus, and Synnichrosis are constantly changing it up on the riffs, great drum fills, as well as the crazy fast speed you mentioned, blast beat precision, and the ability to break back down into slow groggy grooves. Maybe at first listen, if you've got a bad example, you'll hear "Glllrrrrr blllrrrrr frrrrr brrrr. *chug chug chug* pinch harmonic; grunt." Give something else a listen, because many death bands have a LOT going on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Spicy McHaggis Report post Posted June 3, 2003 Rob Zombie is industrial rock, Slayer is metal/thrash metal, Metallica used to be thrash metal and then hard rock and now is apparently nu-metal. NOT FUCKING DEATH METAL. WHAT? It all sounds the SAME. Your statement proves Banky's point. Knowing the difference b/t industrial noise, thrash noise, and nu-metal noise is NOT broadening your horizons. How sad is it that "metal/thrash metal" is a different category from "thrash metal"? Banky, I completely agree with you, and my respect for you has jumped 1,000%. This Music forum needs some variety. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Metal Maniac Report post Posted June 3, 2003 Ok, the LAST thing we need here is for other people to get all picky and anal about how the local metalheads define the different genres of metal. We're picky and anal enough - we don't need your help. There ARE different kinds of metal. Extremely different kinds of metal. In fact, you can take multitudes of metal bands, set them next to each other, and realize that none of their music really sounds the same. While most metal does follow a basic pattern (That is to say, the use of solos, being heavy and being fast, etc) that doesn't mean that it all sounds the same. To say otherwise is ignorant. Period. Oh, and for the record, I don't like death metal at all, outside of In Flames and SOD, if you wanna call them death metal bands. I dunno, In Flames just doesn't strike me as a death metal band, outside of their vocals. Their music just doesn't sound like other death metal bands I've heard (though like I said, I don't like/listen to it, so my experience with the genre is limited) and SOD seems more like a comedy act then anything else, since I don't think anyone can say that kind of stuff and MEAN it, you know? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Spicy McHaggis Report post Posted June 3, 2003 You HAVE to be able to tell me why the genres are different. If the only thing you can say is, "Listen and you'll see", it ain't different. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Metal Maniac Report post Posted June 3, 2003 Ok then. Thrash metal is essentially speed metal, only thrash is played much less carefully. That is to say, while speed metal bands rely on being very fast and very precise with each note, thrash metal bands are basically metal's version of punk music - fast, but with less emphasis on making sure each note is heard. There's much more distortion and such. Vocals tend to not be as growling as death metal, but at the same time, they're not quite power metal vocals, either. Power metal is metal that tends to have a sort of cheesy sound to it, and melodies up the ying-yang, assuming I'm using this term correctly. Generally the lyrics involve some fantasy elements, though not always, and the vocals are often high pitched. Death metal I don't listen to, so I can't fairly define for you, outside of saying that it's very brutal, and the vocalists tend to have a very deep, growling voice (Which is in direct contrast to power metal) Metal itself is pretty much metal bands that don't fall into these (or others which I haven't mentioned) catagories. You can just call them metal, and be done with it. And yes, there are other genres of metal as well. I know of black metal, doom metal, goth metal, and numerous other terms I've heard at some point in my life. Can I define these genres? No, because I like power/thrash metal, mostly, so I don't really care what doom metal is, for the most part. I'll leave it to someone else to flesh these definitions out a bit, but there's a barebones metal glossary to start with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NoCalMike Report post Posted June 3, 2003 Death Metal is to me 2-3 notes/choreds at a fast tempo, with insanse double bass, and a non existant bass no no, you are confused. 2-3 choreds is what you hear by your basic FM radio band. Verse-Chrous-Verse repeat. If you actually listen to Creed/Nickelback/Godsmack etc......I mean listen to the guitar for a second and nothing else, throughout the whole song is usually one or two chords just played over and over they are very simple to play. I think it has to do more with appealing to the masses. I mean a hip hop fan would probably be more inclined to hear a creed song, then a song with mean guitar solos and a blast beat to it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CoreyLazarus416 Report post Posted June 3, 2003 Rob Zombie is industrial rock, Slayer is metal/thrash metal, Metallica used to be thrash metal and then hard rock and now is apparently nu-metal. NOT FUCKING DEATH METAL. WHAT? It all sounds the SAME. Your statement proves Banky's point. Knowing the difference b/t industrial noise, thrash noise, and nu-metal noise is NOT broadening your horizons. How sad is it that "metal/thrash metal" is a different category from "thrash metal"? Banky, I completely agree with you, and my respect for you has jumped 1,000%. This Music forum needs some variety. And I said "metal/thrash metal" was different from plain ol' "thrash metal" HOW? When I put the backslash in there, I'm talking about different eras. Slayer, before Diabolous In Musica, was pure, straight-up thrash metal. After Diabolous In Musica, however, they became just metal. And are you honestly telling me that a Rob Zombie song (ROB, not White, mind you) sounds ANYTHING like a Slayer song? My friend, then you're just as ignorant as people that say all Asians look alike. Metal Maniac/Agent, would either of you like to help me compile a more in-detailed grouping of the different styles of metal? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest redbaron51 Report post Posted June 3, 2003 isn't there something called Math-core? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zetterberg is God 0 Report post Posted June 3, 2003 I've tried. Look at it, a guy from Mars Volta died, but no one replied. it was was some dude from 'Cannibal Corpse' everyone's shades would be drawn, and weeping would ensue. I didn't even see the thread. It's a damn shame that Jeremy Ward died. R.I.P. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest saturnmark4life Report post Posted June 3, 2003 As a rule, I'm not hugely fond of music that you can slot into a specific genre. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest razazteca Report post Posted June 3, 2003 isn't there something called Math-core? Who is the genuis that comes up with those crazy names? I think Mudvayne and Mushroom Head was considered that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest saturnmark4life Report post Posted June 3, 2003 hmm, is that just to do with the mask thing? cos I don't see how they're similar in any other way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest razazteca Report post Posted June 3, 2003 As for death metal, what can I say other than I dislike the growling and the general vocals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CoreyLazarus416 Report post Posted June 3, 2003 Growls take time to get used to, honestly. But once you do, you see how good they are. Arch Enemy's Angela Gassow has, I feel, the best growls in death metal today, and that's because she sounds like a more beefed-up Wendy O. Mushroomhead was never considered mathcore. "Mathcore" refers to bands like DEP and (to an extent) Mudvayne, who focus on seeing how many riffs they can fit into a minute instead of just riffing, or something. I'm not into it, so I don't know the details. As an aside: Stoner Rock. It rules. It also has more to do with the originators of metal, Black Sabbath, than most think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest razazteca Report post Posted June 3, 2003 When I do understand the lyrics of the band, I am disgusted with its subject matter which is groteque and bloody. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CoreyLazarus416 Report post Posted June 3, 2003 ...I say again: Arch Enemy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest razazteca Report post Posted June 3, 2003 I shall look into it, any suggestions for what to look for by Arch Enemy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Heavy As Hell Report post Posted June 4, 2003 With Angela Gossow at the vocal helm I would recommend "Heart Of Darkness", or "Ravenous"(right at the moment those are the ones that really stand out in my memory) of the Wages Of Sin album. They also have a new album soon to be released. www.archenemy.net Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CoreyLazarus416 Report post Posted June 4, 2003 "Pilgrim" and "The Immortal" are also good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Heavy As Hell Report post Posted June 4, 2003 razazteca Posted on Jun 3 2003, 06:25 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- When I do understand the lyrics of the band, I am disgusted with its subject matter which is groteque and bloody. To add to Corey's answer to this. Opeth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mesepher Report post Posted June 4, 2003 man, Opeth would be great if it weren't for those vocals.. not for me at all. Dream Theater is a metal band... although, someone on this board said "even if they don't want to be called that" so what do they label themselves as?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CoreyLazarus416 Report post Posted June 4, 2003 Prog. They're a prog metal band, and to anything else is...well...ill-informed. Lots of metal bands don't like to be called "metal" due to the negative connotations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mesepher Report post Posted June 4, 2003 Prog. They're a prog metal band, and to anything else is...well...ill-informed. Lots of metal bands don't like to be called "metal" due to the negative connotations. yeah, thats what I thought... and whats wrong with being labeled metal? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Heavy As Hell Report post Posted June 4, 2003 mesepher Posted on Jun 3 2003, 09:11 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- man, Opeth would be great if it weren't for those vocals.. not for me at all. Check out their album "Damnation". You'll be suprised. I think Dismissing a great band like that due to not liking the vocals is just wrong. yeah, thats what I thought... and whats wrong with being labeled metal? They want to sell records and its easier for a store to not stock heavy metal, and easier for parents to take away metal records. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Metal Maniac Report post Posted June 4, 2003 I'd think that being called "metal" can have negative effects in two ways: 1. Some people just don't like to be labelled, period. Metal is a label. 2. Metal is not a very popular genre - that is to say, metal bands aren't often found on the radio's Top Ten or whatever. That may not bother some, but there are those who could see that as being a problem, since it could lead to them making less money. Also, I've been told that mathcore involves lots of fucking around with time signatures, and generally sounding "mathy". I dunno, I don't understand it either. As for Stoner rock, I say Clutch. After getting my hands on my cousin's copy of Pure Rock Fury for a while, I must say - most excellent. Though I have heard some people say that their vocalist takes some getting used to...I dunno, I didn't find that. Though I suppose on other albums it could be different... Oh, and Laz, I'd consider it, but 1. I'm kinda lazy. Kinda very lazy. 2. Most of my knowledge of genres and that is limited to power/thrash and that kinda thing, which you yourself could probably handle. Not that I think it's a bad idea (Hell, like I said, there's metal genres that I want clarified myself), it's just that you could probably find better people to help then me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest mesepher Report post Posted June 4, 2003 mesepher Posted on Jun 3 2003, 09:11 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- man, Opeth would be great if it weren't for those vocals.. not for me at all. Check out their album "Damnation". You'll be suprised. I think Dismissing a great band like that due to not liking the vocals is just wrong. yeah, thats what I thought... and whats wrong with being labeled metal? They want to sell records and its easier for a store to not stock heavy metal, and easier for parents to take away metal records. alright... I'll have to check that one out man... oh, I didn't dismiss them either... I still enjoy the instrumentation of it... but damn, that singer needs some Lavoris to get rid of that sore throat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest razazteca Report post Posted June 4, 2003 Ravenous is the song that I decided to dl since it had the most users at the moment. The song sounded like speed metal with Mini Boss type guitar riff, I swear when I heard it I was thinking was that Legend of Zelda, than out of nowhere came the lead singer growling. The growling seems to be an acquired taste type of vocal which I am not used. Its funny that I can tolerate Korn and Static X with their crazy vocals yet have a hard time listening to Death Metal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CoreyLazarus416 Report post Posted June 4, 2003 Well, that's because Jon Davis and Wayne Static due, in all fairness, pussified "growls." The growling does take getting used to, like I said. But once you get used to it, you realize how good growling can make a song. Like, I don't think "Devoured By Vermin" (Cannibal Corpse) would sound nearly as good if, say, Bruce Dickinson was singing (might sound interesting, but not nearly as "right," ya know). Well, Metal Maniac ain't interested. I seem to know about all the styles of metal that Agent isn't into, and vice versa. Agent, wanna help me classify 'em? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
