Guest BANKYWOOD Report post Posted June 4, 2003 Y'know, I was thinking. RVD was at his most popular, and at his WWE height upon his debut in 2001. He wrestled his style, played his character, and the fans ate it all up. The guy even Main Evented a PPV within 4 months of debuting. After the No Mercy PPV, he slowly begins to transform into the WWE-ized superstar he is today. But after making the transition to the WWE style, how does the company reward him? With a stiff kick in the crotch. Its mind boggling how ridiculously stupid Vince and Co. can be at times. Now he is up shit creek because the company expects him to work this lame style, and castrated stoner character without any incentive whatsoever. I'd be pretty discouraged. PS. I'm not an RVD fan at all, this just kinda hit me as I was watching the No Mercy PPV. Its sad how they screwed up such a popular character who was out popping EVERYONE when he debuted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Coffey Report post Posted June 4, 2003 True. Making RVD switch to the "WWE style" just means that he has to use his awful forearms as a transition move more. That's part of the reason why I don't even try to get behind the guy anymore. In ECW, he was great. In WWE, he's cannon fodder. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kotzenjunge Report post Posted June 4, 2003 Actually, being in WWE was good for those first few months more than in ECW, to me anyway, because he had much less stalling and posing and crap. That just bugged me when it would take seven or eight minutes for any of his matches to just get past collar and elbow tieups. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rob Edwards Report post Posted June 4, 2003 It's a shame that they never took advantage of his initial popularity, but Id guess he'd have got stale FAST once on top anyway Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest saturnmark4life Report post Posted June 4, 2003 (edited) He still needs to be carried. I think he initially improved as a worker, but then just stopped cos they pretty much decided 'RIGHT, YOU'RE NOT MAIN EVENTING EVER AGAIN' after No Mercy. He's got fuck all to work with, and knows they have no idea what to do with him. I will say, however, his match with Eddy at last year's JD was just about the best I've ever seen him in, and it wasn't exclusively a carry job. That being said, I'm not holding my breath for him ever having another good match in WWE. Edited June 4, 2003 by saturnmark4life Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Raven_Effect01 Report post Posted June 4, 2003 What WWE should do as far as RVD's style is concerned is have him wrestle the style he had when he first came in(highspots with no stalling), instead of making him into another limited WWE-ized wrestler, but it's obvious they won't listen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dynamite Kido Report post Posted June 4, 2003 WWE Style = Workrate sucks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest eirejmcmahon Report post Posted June 4, 2003 RVD has a lot of flaws but he should still be an upper midcard guy, especially with the Intercontinental title back on the scene - it's a waste of both RVD and Kane to have them floundering in the rag ranks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest notJames Report post Posted June 4, 2003 …it's a waste of both RVD and Kane to have them floundering in the rag ranks. Wouldn't that be the Women's division? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rob Edwards Report post Posted June 4, 2003 If they turn him heel then maybe they can do something, as a face he's so stale now he'd go nowhere even if pushed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Trivia247 Report post Posted June 4, 2003 What happens is that the WWE as a organization doesnt want to many people to shine over the majority no matter how good they are In ECW RVD was phenomnial and few could measure up to his moves, but that was only because few really could match both his Air moves and Impromptu rope moves, Sabu and Lynn are about it... But that didn't make the rest of the Roster shit though, because there was plenty of awesome wrestlers that stood out. in WWE you got a Hierarchy that really shouldn't be at some areas...you got your Royal Main Eventers........ and HHH who is above them because of his relationships and ties. And Thanks to the Roster Split, main eventers are divided where anyone can show them up and they can be seen more clearly. So they dull down RVD's arsenal and Time in the ring. I Don't know what happen but the WWF use to allow their Midcarders to Look awesome so the people in the stands still stayed in their seats before Main event time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest godthedog Report post Posted June 4, 2003 bleh...this thread gets a .65 gamecop. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rob Edwards Report post Posted June 4, 2003 Aww come on Trivia, they let him use some of his moves when he first arrived, fair enough he campaigned for more but he hardly helped himself by breaking half of the rosters faces with the Van Damminator did he? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BANKYWOOD Report post Posted June 4, 2003 Aww come on Trivia, they let him use some of his moves when he first arrived, fair enough he campaigned for more but he hardly helped himself by breaking half of the rosters faces with the Van Damminator did he? Thats true. He busted open many and royally pissed off Kurt Angle. Style aside, the ridiculous push he got within months is better than anything he's seen in years. He's stayed just as popular, so why not go the extra step? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Murmuring Beast 0 Report post Posted June 4, 2003 They should have put the belt on RVD at No Mercy 2001, just like they should have put the belt on Test at Survivor Series 1999. There - I said it. As someone else said, I just don't care about RVD anymore. Thanks, WWE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lightning Flik Report post Posted June 4, 2003 They should have put the belt on RVD at No Mercy 2001, just like they should have put the belt on Test at Survivor Series 1999. There - I said it. I don't know which is worse. Agreeing that I don't really care about RVD and groan at the thought of putting up with him now when he SHOULD have gotten the title at No Mercy 2001. ...or the fact that I'm agreeing with you about Test. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rob Edwards Report post Posted June 4, 2003 Had he got the belt he'd only have got the Jericho treatment anyway, and without the charisma that Chris has he might well have been worse off for it than he is without Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AndrewTS Report post Posted June 4, 2003 Don't care about RVD anymore either. I barely remember he's even on the roster anymore. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Murmuring Beast 0 Report post Posted June 4, 2003 Ha, seriously they should have done. The WWF doesn't know when to strike the iron when it's hot. Instead we get a Big Show win - which admittedly I did mark for - but only lasted for over month and reached its peak with a feud over a dead father. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mole Report post Posted June 4, 2003 I honestly think he is doing fine in the tag division now. He's got his own thing going on, has a title, and is still one of the most over guys on Raw. I'd rather see Jericho and Booker T with the belt than RVD right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Murmuring Beast 0 Report post Posted June 4, 2003 He's not doing fine. He's rhyming off the same old crap every night and no one can tell the differences between his matches anymore. Give him a World Title programme. He needs a good angle though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest godthedog Report post Posted June 5, 2003 They should have put the belt on RVD at No Mercy 2001, just like they should have put the belt on Test at Survivor Series 1999. There - I said it. I don't know which is worse. Agreeing that I don't really care about RVD and groan at the thought of putting up with him now when he SHOULD have gotten the title at No Mercy 2001. ...or the fact that I'm agreeing with you about Test. van dam so should NOT have won the title at no mercy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kid Kablam Report post Posted June 5, 2003 Don't care about RVD anymore either. I barely remember he's even on the roster anymore. Did you also forget that you're the 18th memeber of the RVD/Storm Revolution? I think RVD's biggest mistake was nailing HHH's larynx. Afterr that, things seemed to go down quickly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AndrewTS Report post Posted June 5, 2003 Don't care about RVD anymore either. I barely remember he's even on the roster anymore. Did you also forget that you're the 18th memeber of the RVD/Storm Revolution/ Not really, but it doesn't really matter at this point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lightning Flik Report post Posted June 5, 2003 van dam so should NOT have won the title at no mercy. It was better than him being made into everyone's bitch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest godthedog Report post Posted June 5, 2003 it might've been good for a momentary spark of interest, but he would've had to lose it back soon anyway (cause i don't think anyone in their right mind would argue that rvd should've been a long-term champion). and hotshotting the title wouldn't do anyone any favors, having just been hotshotted to angle & back that same month. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
David Blazenwing 0 Report post Posted June 5, 2003 (cause i don't think anyone in their right mind would argue that rvd should've been a long-term champion) There are only a few wrestlers these days who can pull off extended title reigns, like Kurt Angle, Brock Lesnar or (knock on wood) Chris Benoit, should he ever get the damn belt. And just for the record, NONE of the Kliq members are on this list. Damn Triple H... the RAW World Heavyweight Championship has been around 9 months. Triple H has held the belt for eight of those months. Who had the belt the ninth month? Shawn Michaels. A Kliq member. Who's gonna have it next? Kevin Nash. The OTHER Kliq member. Stupid Kliq... playing the WWE like nWo played WCW. If WWE dies, it will be the Kliq's fault... or Vince's, for giving in to their every demand. Sorry. I kinda went off on a tangeant there, but I felt I needed to say it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest godthedog Report post Posted June 5, 2003 benoit wouldn't make a good long-term champion. i'll verbally fellate him as much as the next smark, but he's not the guy to build the company around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Murmuring Beast 0 Report post Posted June 5, 2003 I agree. I think Benoit, despite being a great wrestler, is perhaps lacking a certain something that all the best champions - Jericho, Rock, Austin, Hogan - have. In short, he wouldn't be a "draw", as many would like to put it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kid Kablam Report post Posted June 5, 2003 Personally, I've never really understood the theory that Benoit wouldn't make a good champion. First of all, he gives a better promo than Brock, projects excellent intensity, is stiff enough in the ring to make his blows feel real, and of course, he's a great wrestler. So why wouldn't he make a good champion? And don't give me the typical "He has no charisma" excuse, if he's allowed to be a machine, he can draw. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
