Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted June 4, 2003 We've seen Best Heroes and Villians. What about tweener roles. It was briefly discussed in another thread. Figured I'd start a thread about the topic. I'll be back with my choices a little later. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dames 0 Report post Posted June 4, 2003 The man in my sig. Admit it... He's a bad guy, but you're rooting for him at the end of the movie. You don't WANT him to die and you marvel at his one man badassedness with his little friend. Dames Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheMadmanGreg Report post Posted June 4, 2003 I'm pretty sure ol' Scarface's heart should have exploded from snorting that much coke. But, for my favorite tweener, I pick: Catwoman... or Paulie from Rocky... or Juror #12 from 12 Angry Men. Yeah, one of those 3. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheMadmanGreg Report post Posted June 4, 2003 Or Boba Fett. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Dames 0 Report post Posted June 4, 2003 How is Boba Fett a tweener? Wasn't he a complete heel all the way, albeit a cool one? Dames Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheMadmanGreg Report post Posted June 4, 2003 Boba Fett is a bounty hunter. He was working for the empire because they paid him. If Luke had tossed a million spacebucks his way, Boba would've taken care of the Death Star for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest IDrinkRatsMilk Report post Posted June 4, 2003 I give it up for Godzilla, as the recent thread concerning him has reminded me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ravenbomb Report post Posted June 4, 2003 Travis Bickle and the Boondock Saints both killed people, but thought they were doing the right thing Tetsuo from AKIRA wasn't really evil or good Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted June 4, 2003 Boba Fett and Tony Montana were villians period. Being a "cool" villian that you love to hate doesn't mean he's a tweener. Maybe in wrestling, but this isn't wrestling. In movies you need a good and a bad side to be a tweener. Boba Fett nor Scarface showed a good side. Charles Foster Kane is one of the top movie tweeners. Michael Corleone is another. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DawnBTVS Report post Posted June 4, 2003 Sebastian in "Cruel Intentions". Was heel starting but sorta turned quasi-face at the end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted June 4, 2003 Sefton in Stalag 17 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheMadmanGreg Report post Posted June 4, 2003 Boba Fett and Tony Montana were villians period. Being a "cool" villian that you love to hate doesn't mean he's a tweener. Maybe in wrestling, but this isn't wrestling. Maybe I'm wrong here, but isn't the word "tweener" a wrestling word? So, what the hell else kind of meaning would we put to it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest El Satanico Report post Posted June 4, 2003 The definition of the term in wrestling usage is meaningless when talking about movies. A movie tweener is a character who has the traits of a villian and of a hero. There are no traits of a hero in Boba Fett or Tony Montana. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrRant Report post Posted June 4, 2003 The swashbuckling dude from The Princess Bride... I can't remember his name.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CoreyLazarus416 Report post Posted June 4, 2003 How can you NOT remember his name? INIGO MONTOYA!!!!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheMadmanGreg Report post Posted June 4, 2003 The definition of the term in wrestling usage is meaningless when talking about movies. A movie tweener is a character who has the traits of a villian and of a hero. There are no traits of a hero in Boba Fett or Tony Montana. Since it is a wrestling term, aren't you just making up its movie definition? And, because I can: Bravery, determination- traits of a hero... and also traits for Tony Montana and Boba Fett Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheOriginalOrangeGoblin 0 Report post Posted June 4, 2003 Tony Montana - the great everyman story. A man comes from nothing to something through hard work, determination and never backing down from a challenge. So yah ol' Tony's a tweener. Travis Bickle & Michael Corleone are good tweeners. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest 5_moves_of_doom Report post Posted June 4, 2003 Boba Fett and Tony Montana were villians period. Being a "cool" villian that you love to hate doesn't mean he's a tweener. Maybe in wrestling, but this isn't wrestling. In movies you need a good and a bad side to be a tweener. Boba Fett nor Scarface showed a good side. I don't love to hate them. I simply love them. Tony Montana has several characteristics that would apply to a modern day "hero," and is the protagonist of his story. I've really always considered Travis Bickle a face, too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MrRant Report post Posted June 4, 2003 Michael Douglas's character from Falling Down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SP-1 Report post Posted June 4, 2003 Ziedler from Moulin Rouge! is a good tweener. He gives in to greed through much of the film but he also displays heartfelt care for Satine, culminating in his saving their lives in the big number at the end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kahran Ramsus Report post Posted June 4, 2003 Hamlet. Officially he's the hero, but he does do some very bad things. Kane is another one I would consider a tweener. Michael Corleone turns heel in the Godfather and turns back in Part III. At the height of his power, there is no doubt that he is a bad guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest razazteca Report post Posted June 5, 2003 I reckon Karl from Slingblade be a tweener. Tyler Durden of Fight Club, the anti-establishment~ hero. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mole Report post Posted June 5, 2003 Leonard Shelby from Memento. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest godthedog Report post Posted June 5, 2003 jake la motta from 'raging bull' to me encompasses everything a "tweener" should be, just the right mix of being a horrible human being, being pathetic, and being a tad heroic. he starts out as a total shithead, fighting with his wife, beating on his little brother & cheating on his wife, but his intensity and sincerity make it almost impossible not to root for him a little when he fights cerdan. and towards the end, when he has to be punished for everything, it IS impossible not to feel his pain. a beautiful monstosity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Spaceman Spiff Report post Posted June 5, 2003 Anakin Skywalker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Riots bloodlust Report post Posted June 5, 2003 Kiefer Sutherland in Phone Booth. Michael Douglas in falling down is a great one too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Amazing Rando Report post Posted June 5, 2003 The Fight Club thing is one big tweener situation... Spoiler (Highlight to Read): The Narrator is the face...Tyler Durdan shows himself to be heel... the climax turns the whole movie into a big tweener situation...with one character actually portraying the face and the heel at the same time... with the ending showing that good triumphs over evil in one way...but evil still kinda gets the last laugh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mole Report post Posted June 5, 2003 Anakin Skywalker What? He was a straight up hero. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SP-1 Report post Posted June 5, 2003 Anakin, Mole. Not Luke. Anakin's a mega-tweener in the long run, as he's slowly building to the heel turn that we all know is coming in Ep. III Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest IDrinkRatsMilk Report post Posted June 5, 2003 Might as well mention the Green Goblin too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
