Guest Anglesault Report post Posted June 7, 2003 I've never been as annoyed at Joe Torre as I am right now. It was Clemens game to win, he's pitching a great game, has a one-nothing lead, and is well on his way to 300. So Joe pulls him out fo no discerable reason at the 84 pitch mark, sends in Acevedo, he of the near 8.0 ERA, who promptly gives up a three run homer and ruins it for the Rocket. Jesus Christ. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kingpk Report post Posted June 7, 2003 Like I said in the "Sosa got busted" thread: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Roger......taken out......next pitch........HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sandman9000 Report post Posted June 7, 2003 If I was Roger, I'd have a gun held to the heads of the middle relievers and screaming for anyone to give me a good reason not to shoot them. As for Torre, the way things are going in terms of the Yanks struggles, as well as his relationship between him and George, I'm starting to get the feeling that this is going to be the last season for him as manager. Unless they win it all, George will fire him at season's end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted June 7, 2003 If I was Roger, I'd have a gun held to the heads of the middle relievers and screaming for anyone to give me a good reason not to shoot them. I can't think of one. They should, at the very least, pay the bill that must be mounting with him having to repeatedly take large numbers of people to a game every week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smues Report post Posted June 7, 2003 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA god that one pitch made my day. And Remlinger getting the cubs out of a jam in the 8th to keep it a Clemens lose is great. 3 more outs and Instead of win #300 it's a lose. DIE ROGER YOU FUCK Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest two_tuff_toddy Report post Posted June 7, 2003 "I've never been as annoyed at Joe Torre as I am right now. It was Clemens game to win, he's pitching a great game, has a one-nothing lead, and is well on his way to 300. So Joe pulls him out fo no discerable reason at the 84 pitch mark, sends in Acevedo, he of the near 8.0 ERA, who promptly gives up a three run homer and ruins it for the Rocket. Jesus Christ." This would normally bother me as I'm a big fan of Clemens but they are playing the Cubs so I love it. Come on Cubs. Damn shame what happened to Hee Sop Choi though. I hope he is all right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted June 7, 2003 How does Torre justify taking Clemens out? That still bothers me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JasonX 0 Report post Posted June 7, 2003 I've never been as annoyed at Joe Torre as I am right now. It was Clemens game to win, he's pitching a great game, has a one-nothing lead, and is well on his way to 300. So Joe pulls him out fo no discerable reason at the 84 pitch mark, sends in Acevedo, he of the near 8.0 ERA, who promptly gives up a three run homer and ruins it for the Rocket. Jesus Christ. Part of me thinks this is Torre's revenge for George trading for Ruben Sierraa, what with the bad blood that exists between Torre and Sierra...... Either way, I'm uber-happy Clemens won't get the win. Traitors like Clemens deserves to be fucked over like this..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JasonX 0 Report post Posted June 7, 2003 How does Torre justify taking Clemens out? That still bothers me. Simple: Revenge against George for signing Sierra, who Torre hates..... The rest of this season will be an interesting thing to watch as George Steinbrenner should be fastly approaching yet another trademark "kill them all and let God sort them out" meltdowns. Torre best pray that he either wins another World Series or gives George good enough head to keep him from getting fired from.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted June 7, 2003 This is great...I hope this goes on for months Clemens trying to get 300. What also makes it great is ESPN decided to have Baseball Tonight from Chicago today just to see Clemens win #300. I don't think they've ever taken the show on the road for a regular season game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cartman Report post Posted June 7, 2003 Clemens had some kind of upper resperitory infection, which is probably the reason for him being pulled early. That's what they said after the game at least. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted June 7, 2003 Torre better start getting numbers for GMs so he can get a new job soon. Steinbrenner is going to fire him. Zimmer = gone, Cashman = gone, Torre = gone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
B. Brian Brunzell 0 Report post Posted June 7, 2003 Any updates on Choi? I saw him go down, then went to the store, and haven't heard anything since. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest undisputedjericho Report post Posted June 7, 2003 Torre and Zimmer will be hired the next day by another team once Stienbrenner finally cans them, and this Thames-Sierra swap and the Jeter captain deal is another hint that Joe's tenure has almost run out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Redhawk Report post Posted June 7, 2003 As long as he can survive this year and next without his head exploding from frustration, Lou Piniella will be the Yankees manager in 2005. I think the only reason he can't go to New York after this year is the Mariners would have to OK it, and they'd be pretty retarded to let him do so. Keep him in Tampa where he can't hurt them. I do think Torre is gone after this year. George will hire some transitional manager for 2004, and get Lou in '05. So who will that transitional guy be? That's the question. Oh, and I'm damn happy Clemens didn't get his 300th win. The only thing I'm worried about is that the losing streak goes so long that he's still stuck on 299 when they have to play the Red Sox again. I don't want Clemens to get 300, but I REALLY don't want him to get it against Boston. Maybe he'll get hurt in his next start. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted June 7, 2003 Clemens had some kind of upper resperitory infection, which is probably the reason for him being pulled early. That's what they said after the game at least. OK why did Torre put in the Yankees worst pitcher. Torre wanted Clemens to attempt his 300th win agains St.Louis, Torre's former team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted June 7, 2003 Torre usually puts the players and the team above his petty vengeful fantasies though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JasonX 0 Report post Posted June 7, 2003 Torre and Zimmer will be hired the next day by another team once Stienbrenner finally cans them, and this Thames-Sierra swap and the Jeter captain deal is another hint that Joe's tenure has almost run out. If said Yankees holocaust happens with George firing Torre and company, I wonder if we will see a massive exodus of the big-name talent that have been clawing at the gate to be a Yankee and get some of that Yankee Big Bucks George has been shelling out. That might be why Jeter was given "Captain" status, as a bribe to stay loyal when George goes on his firing spree. But what about the Pitching Staff? Or Jason "Judas Iscariot" Giambi, who joined the Yankees out of greed and the lazy belief that he could finall win a world series by simply attaching his bitch-ass to the Yankee bandwagon? Will people like Mussina and Giambi be begging to be traded to contenders? Or will they be caught in a post-Managerial purge roster purge by George, who would be getting rid of them for not living up to the expectations that George expects from his high paid whores? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted June 7, 2003 Torre and Zimmer will be hired the next day by another team once Stienbrenner finally cans them, and this Thames-Sierra swap and the Jeter captain deal is another hint that Joe's tenure has almost run out. If said Yankees holocaust happens with George firing Torre and company, I wonder if we will see a massive exodus of the big-name talent that have been clawing at the gate to be a Yankee and get some of that Yankee Big Bucks George has been shelling out. That might be why Jeter was given "Captain" status, as a bribe to stay loyal when George goes on his firing spree. But what about the Pitching Staff? Or Jason "Judas Iscariot" Giambi, who joined the Yankees out of greed and the lazy belief that he could finall win a world series by simply attaching his bitch-ass to the Yankee bandwagon? Will people like Mussina and Giambi be begging to be traded to contenders? Or will they be caught in a post-Managerial purge roster purge by George, who would be getting rid of them for not living up to the expectations that George expects from his high paid whores? Someone has George-has-money issues. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Redhawk Report post Posted June 7, 2003 Or Jason "Judas Iscariot" Giambi, who joined the Yankees out of greed and the lazy belief that he could finall win a world series by simply attaching his bitch-ass to the Yankee bandwagon? Um, wasn't Giambi the MVP before signing with the Yankees? It's not like he was some journeyman hoping to get a shot at a ring. He gave the Yankees one of the Top 3 or so first basemen in the league. And as far as "greed" goes, would you take $25 million to play for the best team in the league, or $5 million to play for a possibly-not-for-sure-contender in Oakland? Will people like Mussina and Giambi be begging to be traded to contenders? The Yankees aren't contenders now? Or will they be caught in a post-Managerial purge roster purge by George, who would be getting rid of them for not living up to the expectations that George expects from his high paid whores? Why are the Yankees' players whores and everyone else in the league is just a player? Are you saying George SHOULDN'T try to put the best team he can on the field....or are you saying professional baseball players shouldn't sign a big contract to play for a great team? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Sandman9000 Report post Posted June 7, 2003 Red Sox fan + Logic = Does not compute, please enter again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted June 7, 2003 Jesus fucking christ you Yankee haters are sad... Torre getting fired!? The yankees are in what they consider a rut, and are still in first place in the AL east, that says all that needs to be said. Oh no, it's taking Clemens a few tries to get 300, call off the season, redo everything, this is the end of the Yankees!!1 Hey I got an idea, wait until, I don't know....THEY HAVE A LOSING RECORD OR AT LEAST SOMETHING NEAR IT!!!!! to start talking about the demise of the Yankees. Until then you all just seem to be salivating over your anti-Yankee fantasies.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Zero_Cool Report post Posted June 7, 2003 It would've been 0-0 when Clemens was yanked if it weren't for the third base ump who screwed over Wood in, I believe, the fifth inning against Matsui. Just saying. I'm not really rooting against Roger to never win his 300th game, but god damn, am I happy that the Cubs and Kerry Wood aren't number 300, they always give up the big ones. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BobbyWhioux Report post Posted June 7, 2003 Um, wasn't Giambi the MVP before signing with the Yankees? It's not like he was some journeyman hoping to get a shot at a ring. He gave the Yankees one of the Top 3 or so first basemen in the league. And as far as "greed" goes, would you take $25 million to play for the best team in the league, or $5 million to play for a possibly-not-for-sure-contender in Oakland? Yeah, it's worse than the journeyman who goes to a contender at the end of his career, like Mark Grace or Ray Borque, whose best days are far behind them and have toiled for almost two decades for a team that never went anywhere. Giambi was in his prime, [had just been MVP as you said] was already ON a contender, and the unofficial team captain of said contender. He was the star and the leader, and chose instead to be just another face on a team of famous faces. [To steal a wrestling analogy, he chose to be a semi-anonymous midcarder in WWE* rather than The ECW World Champion (only imagine ECW as still around and more a serious threat to upstaging the WWE)]. Also, the A's high offer to him was $90 million over 6 years. That's 15 million a year [not 5] to be "da man" on the team that can knock off the big dawg [a definite contender, not a "possible contender"]. A team that bent over backwards to please him. A team that traded for his brother just so they could be on the same team together. $15 million a year SHOULD BE more than enough for any mentally healthy human being. While there were many legitimate reasons for The Yankees to pursue Giambi (improvement over Tino Martinez at first, take away from a dangerous postseason rival while adding to yourself), the only reasons for Giambi to agree to go to New York were greed or frontrunning. Or both. Also add into the equation that rather than being his own man and own personality as he was allowed to be with the A's, he has to conform to the "professional image" of the Yankees, i.e. shave his beard, trim his hair to suitable deoderant-selling length, and no more public sightings of that nice big shoulder tattoo. And it's very delightful to see how since Giambi has joined the Yankees, his batting average has plummeted [is he wilting under the heavy pressure of New York press and Steinbrenner expectations? Or is he like Samson, and powerless without his previous hair? Or perhaps he did feel he could coast to a world series being on the well-powered and overloaded Yankees and doesn't "want it" like he used to, feeling arrived and unhungry and content?] and not only that, but since he's gone there, the Yankees have ceased to be "the best team in the league." Granted they are still a good team. But whenever a guy makes an obvious jump to a frontrunner team just in time to be on board for the fall [at least partway] back to earth, it's hard not to have a satisfied chuckle. It's also delightful to watch him squirm and make excuses to not suit up and play when the Yanks road schedule takes them to The Oakland Coliseum (where during the few times he DOES summon sufficient courage to play, the fans throw back even his FOUL BALLS. We'd wait for homers, but he doesn't hit too many of those anymore...). He played the first game this year, discovered he was still reviled, and decided to have some sort of "eye injury" to duck the rest of the series. Sissy. * = And, to continue the analogy, with the numbers he's putting up, he's chosen to work Velocity and Heat rather than headline PPVs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted June 8, 2003 the only reasons for Giambi to agree to go to New York were greed or frontrunning. Or both. ::Misses the huge problem with that:: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JasonX 0 Report post Posted June 8, 2003 Jesus fucking christ you Yankee haters are sad... Torre getting fired!? The yankees are in what they consider a rut, and are still in first place in the AL east, that says all that needs to be said. Oh no, it's taking Clemens a few tries to get 300, call off the season, redo everything, this is the end of the Yankees!!1 Hey I got an idea, wait until, I don't know....THEY HAVE A LOSING RECORD OR AT LEAST SOMETHING NEAR IT!!!!! to start talking about the demise of the Yankees. Until then you all just seem to be salivating over your anti-Yankee fantasies.... Lets put it this way, George Steinbrenner isn't exactly known for taking failure (and by failure for the Yankees, it's whether or not they win the World Series) lightly and a history of going into Vince McMahon-esque "You'r FIRREEEDDDDD!!!!!!" firing sprees when the people he's hired don't bring him in a World Series Ring year after year. And given that Torrie and Company have failed to bring home a ring in the past two years, one can easily predict that George will eventually lose patience with the team's current status quo and fire them for their failure to win the World Series despite the money George has shelled out to "buy" the championship..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted June 8, 2003 Can you show me the store that sells MLB Championships? I think I'm gonna go pick one up since there so damn easy to obtain. THE YANKEES ARENT LOSING. Say it again.....one more time.....good. You see until the Yankees actually have a losing record, to suggest Steinbrenner will get rid of his best team ever is just simply retarded. Oh and one more thing, this store, where you buy championships, it had to be around for a while right? I mean with the Yankees having 20+ championships before Steinbrenner can only mean they were selling them since the early 1900's.....right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted June 8, 2003 Roger Clemens didn't get his 300th win today and that was plain and simply because of a Horrible decision by Joe Torre. Is it the end of the world? Hell No. He'll still be one of the greatest pitchers of all time when he goes up to the mound against St. Louis in a week and the hype will still be there. Is this the begininng of the end for the Yankee Dynasty? We can stay until they actully have a semblence of a losing record...if they are as troublesome as they are right now and headed toward a Nucular meltdown...and yet still on top of the AL East... What does that say for the greatness of the team. Torre was coming into this season in all likihood to be coaching his final season or least with the Yankees... Hey, He ISN'T purposely screwing the team just as some revenge plot for Steinbrenener bringing in Sierra. Yankee Haters are so pathetic that they need to take ANY tiny mis-fraction of the team and blow that up. Red Sox Fans are the most annoying and pathetic bunch of people to exist in the sporting world. They cry and cry about the Yankees and try to call out every seemingly unfair thing. They try to attach their failure to win the World Series onto some ridiculous notion that an Dead Player of 70 years has placed an curse on that team. Amazingly Stupid. and does this whole debate matter anyways? Besides...The Yankees could melt down to pieces and revive with Monkeys and yet the Boston Red Sox will still be Championshipless in Late October. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted June 8, 2003 despite the money George has shelled out to "buy" the championship..... Ah, yes, I forgot that George is the only owner of a baseball team who tries to get free agents. Silly me. The 29 other teams would NEVER attempt to get a free agent! No sir! Uh Uh! And please, fucking LOOK at the team. Some of their most indentifiable players... All came up through the farm system. They weren't bought off some other team or whatever you're claiming. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted June 8, 2003 The whole Money buys Yankees championships is pure bullshit. The only place that Money actually BUYS a championship might be NASCAR and that is pushing it... Hendrick Motorsports=Yankees They dominate but the pieces were good before hand...they just work great together. Roush Racing=Red Sox Wins a bunch and has SHIT LOAD of talent but never gets the job done and always cried about it. BAM Racing=Detroit Tigers. No Money+No Sponser+No Luck+Bad Management= No Championship. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
