Why did they bring back the IC belt,

[Guest Alcohol Fueled]

Christian sucks and has always sucked. Why bring back such a great belt to waste it on a person who will be forever be a mediocre mid-carder. At least give it to someone who actually has a chance to become a main eventer one day.

[Guest Downhome]

Christian sucks and has always sucked.

Well, how can we argue with that?

 

Seriously, if you are going to start such a discussion at least give your reasons in order for all of us to try to counter them or the such. I don't speak for everyone else but for me, saying someone "sucks" and leaving it as that doesn't fly around here.

[Guest Alcohol Fueled]

Well, I figured that most people here were familiar with Christians pitiful ring and mic work. So I felt that his "suckatude" is well know and needs no explanation.

[Guest BifEverchad]

Well, I figured that most people here were familiar with Christians pitiful ring and mic work. So I felt that his "suckatude" is well know and needs no explanation.

Try again pal. Christian's ring skills, although limited, are not as bad as everyone makes him out to be. His mic skills are acceptable and can garner some great heat at times.

 

Christian is being groomed and given a chance. Many people have begged for this for years now. He's getting an opportunity, so let's see how he does with it.

[Guest bob_barron]

I hate Christian's in ring work. All he seems to know how to do is choke. I think he got the belt just so Booker T can win it in his hometown next week

[Guest Alcohol Fueled]

Christain has horrible in ring skills. And the reason he gets heat is becasue nobody wants to see him in the ring stinking up the place.

 

He has still not shown me that he deserved the shot he got.

[Guest bob_barron]

Christian has a lot of charisma and is excellent on the stick so I can see why they put the title on him but mic skills don't mean shit when you can't back it up in the ring

[Guest CanadianChick]

I don't know if Christian was the right guy to put the title on. If WWE wanted credibility on the title, they should have put it on someone who is, I dunno, credible. When you put it on Christian without giving him a proper build, the title looks like a mid-card joke instead of a stepping stone for the World Title. Remember when the IC champion was considered the #1 contender for the World title?

[Guest Alcohol Fueled]

Remember when the IC champion was considered the #1 contender for the World title?

Those were the days!

[Guest BifEverchad]

Nobody was complaining about Christian's work before. He's been in the company almost 5 years now. All of a sudden he's gettin' heat from you guys, now that he's getting a push.

 

You want new stars, and hate the old ones. So you complain.

You get potential for new stars and up and comers. You still complain.

[Guest CanadianChick]

The sad thing is that they could of easily done that with Booker T winning the belt. I don't like Booker at all, but he has more credibilty than Christian does. He could have realistically feuded with Trips, and voila! The title looks credible.

[Guest CanadianChick]

Nobody was complaining about Christian's work before. He's been in the company almost 5 years now. All of a sudden he's gettin' heat from you guys, now that he's getting a push.

 

You want new stars, and hate the old ones. So you complain.

You get potential for new stars and up and comers. You still complain.

I don't mind Christian. Hell, I actually like Christian. But he is not the guy to hold the IC belt right now. Later, yes. Now, no.

[Guest BifEverchad]

Ok, besides Booker. Who else on the RAW roster do you guys think should hold the Intercontinental Title?

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Booker is above the IC Title. If he wins the IC Title, he will never get to the main events again. The best IC Champion right now would be Hurricane, but he wasn't even in the thing. Christian is a good number two. Jericho is in the same position as Booker. Jericho took almost a year to recover from winning the IC Title the last time. The belt is a tool for putting wrestlers over, not the other way around. If it is going to be used to damage guys like Jericho & Booker than it never should have been brought back.

[Guest AM The Kid]

I feel Christian was a great first new IC champion. His ring skills can be quite good but he hasn't had a chance to showcase them lately. Look at his work in the TLC matches, he lit them up. His work on the mic is great, not excellent but great, if he had more time to practice I think his charisma could be up there with Chris Jericho. Christian was the perfect guy to put the title on, he's young, he's a good worker and he could be a main eventer one day. I understand where many might feel that he is stale or boring right now but the character has not be fully developed, just wait and soon enough you'll all be peeps.

[Guest AM The Kid]

The wrestler carries the belt, the belt doesn't carry the wrestler.

[Guest bob_barron]

Nobody was complaining about Christian's work before. He's been in the company almost 5 years now. All of a sudden he's gettin' heat from you guys, now that he's getting a push.

 

You want new stars, and hate the old ones. So you complain.

You get potential for new stars and up and comers. You still complain.

Christian's been sucking in the ring ever since last year. Remember his team with Lance? Ugh

 

People are just noticing it more now that he's getting a featured role in the company.

 

No one was complaining about Christian's work until he started to dog it and he lost Edge because then he got exposed

[Guest Alcohol Fueled]

Nobody was complaining about Christian's work before. He's been in the company almost 5 years now. All of a sudden he's gettin' heat from you guys, now that he's getting a push.

 

You want new stars, and hate the old ones. So you complain.

You get potential for new stars and up and comers. You still complain.

I have never liked Christian, so you herding me into the same catagories as others is wrong.

 

RVD should have gotten the IC belt. At least he's entertaing in the ring, unlike Christian or Booker for that matter.

[Guest bob_barron]

I feel Christian was a great first new IC champion. His ring skills can be quite good but he hasn't had a chance to showcase them lately. Look at his work in the TLC matches, he lit them up. His work on the mic is great, not excellent but great, if he had more time to practice I think his charisma could be up there with Chris Jericho. Christian was the perfect guy to put the title on, he's young, he's a good worker and he could be a main eventer one day. I understand where many might feel that he is stale or boring right now but the character has not be fully developed, just wait and soon enough you'll all be peeps.

He had 5 other guys to play off of (7 in TLC 3)

 

Don't give me the 'hasn't had a chance to showcase them off' stuff. What about when he was with Storm and the UnAmericans had their awful tag team matches?

 

Christian has had many singles matches on RAW- I think that's a great chance to showcase your stuff.

[Guest MaxPower27]

They should put it on a heel and have them be the champ for a while.

 

Give it to Kane (turn Kane) and have him defend it every week. Kane can work, he has a good moveset for a guy his size, and the fans will buy him as a heel because turning him on Van Dam will get heat.

[Guest AM The Kid]

How long are those single and tag matches on Raw? Max at seven minutes, that isn't time to showcase skill. Bret Hart's character wouldnt have gotten over years ago if all he had was a five minute match against someone like 3-Minute Warning.

[Guest CanadianChick]

I remember at this time last year, everyone was complaining about Edge's push. They said that Christian was more deserving because he had better in ring skills. Yep. Sure.

 

Anyways, how would Booker T be above the IC belt if he was still feuding with the World Champ with it. That would give the title credibility and show that the IC champ is considered a top World title contender. I don't think making it a strictly mid-card belt would be useful.

[Guest MaxPower27]

You turn him and give him some matches in the 1st hour main (normally about 10 minutes, IIRC. I might be wrong though). His first feud can be with Van Dam, and since they have no problem having the heel win the program in the end, you have him defeat RVD and get him to turn as well. Now, you have a good heel team that can go with the Dudleys, as well as Goldust/Hurricane. It builds a tag division.

[Guest AM The Kid]

Well it can't be strictly mid-card because Raw's midcard sucks and guys like Jericho and Booker T need something to work for because everybody knows they wont be touching Hunter's belt anytime soon.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Well it can't be strictly mid-card because Raw's midcard sucks and guys like Jericho and Booker T need something to work for because everybody knows they wont be touching Hunter's belt anytime soon.

Then it becomes just another title, and we get a situation like from 1997-2002 where there are 500 titles fluttering around and none of them mean anything. The entire point of people wanting this belt back was for it to give some life to the midcarders. If you aren't putting it on the midcarders, then what's the point.

 

Putting it on Booker and then have him feud with HHH does nothing. They would be feuding over the World Title, leaving the IC belt as a hunk of tin being worn by Booker. Then after Booker jobs to HHH again, it makes both him and the title look bad. The IC Title will always be inferior to the World Title, keep them as far away from each other as you can. With the exception of the unique situation of Hogan/Warrior, the IC Title has been at its best when kept away from the top stars and in the hands of midcarders like Honkytonk Man and Razor Ramon.

[Guest AM The Kid]

I agree, but the Raw roster is really funny lately. There is no actual low-card, mid-card and main eventers right now. The IC title should never come near the world title, I agree, but with the makeup of the roster it will be tough. There honestly isn't a mid-card right now.

[Guest AM The Kid]

Damn double post...

[Guest Just call me Dan]

You turn him and give him some matches in the 1st hour main (normally about 10 minutes, IIRC. I might be wrong though). His first feud can be with Van Dam, and since they have no problem having the heel win the program in the end, you have him defeat RVD and get him to turn as well. Now, you have a good heel team that can go with the Dudleys, as well as Goldust/Hurricane. It builds a tag division.

Why build the tag division though? I mean when is the last time you cared, and I mean really cared about a tag team title match. All they do is get shuffled around to different teams who haven't had the belts and try to throw in gimick matches to spruce them up. The tag team titles should be as novel as a CW or women's title. You don't see those on both shows because they aren't all that important nowadays. Kill the RAW tag titles, because if the best we have are the Dudleyz, they don't mean shit.

[Guest AndrewTS]

Remember when the IC champion was considered the #1 contender for the World title?

Those were the days!

When was that? I think you mean "US champion" and "WCW World Title" instead of "IC champion" and "World title."

 

(Of course, the "World title" didn't exist until two weeks after Summerslam, but that's splitting hairs).

 

I like Christian on the mic, but it is an odd decision. He's mediocre at best in the ring at this point and doesn't come off as a credible champion. WWE isn't even trying to book him as one, though.

[Guest Just call me Dan]

I think Chrisitan can have a smooth match and be easily carried. Shit, Rock came back and started throwing BS rest holds into his matches as a heel. I think it is a cardinal rule. Watch Hurricane/Rock from RAW again and you'll see Rock just randomly throw the choke in. Chrisitan does it too much, but I believe it is because he mostly only gets offense on guys he can clearly go over, meaning he's not going to be the main reciever of offense. He doen't have enough signature moves to carry a 15 minute match with just himself on the offensive most of the time, so he resorts to the resthold. If he could develop transtions a little better instead of relying on ONLY singature moves, he could get by. He needs an expanded moveset or maybe just a strong submission, and I think he'd be quite good in the ring.