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Is Goldberg selling for folks

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Guest saturnmark4life

Personally, I have my doubts as to whether another push where he annihilates everyone would have worked again. I mean, nobody wanted him in WWE to start with, I didn't think he had any drawing power left after his time away from wrestling. If he's selling for people (however bad they are) surely that's going to make his matches and his character far less one-dimensional?

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Guest The Flying Dutchman

It astounds me that people complained about Goldberg no-selling in WCW and now when he sells, they complain that his character is being ruined. Consistancy, please.

 

No, this isn't directed at anyone in particular.

 

For the record, I'm glad he's selling at least a little bit. Showing a face as having vulnerabilities is always a good thing.

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Guest godthedog

no one should have to rely on making his opponent look like total shit in order to get over. how many chairshots did goldberg take in his cage match with christian? like fourteen? nobody should come back & win a match after that many chairshots, it just looks stupid. and scott keith is a retard for complaining that goldberg had to sell for christian. is he supposed to no-sell fourteen chairshots just because it's christian?

 

if he's afraid of losing fans for doing what EVERY SINGLE WRESTLER ON THE ROSTER ALREADY DOES AND WOULD BE FIRED FOR NOT DOING, then send him home & let him sit out the rest of his contract. building one guy into superman by making the rest of your entire roster look weak is just not worth it. and make no mistake, he's making the entire roster look bad. as someone else said in another thread, when you no-sell a chairshot, you make everyone who's ever laid down for a chairshot look like shit.

 

tell jericho to sell exactly as much for goldberg as goldberg sells for jericho on sunday. see how he likes it.

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Guest Anglesault
For the record, I'm glad he's selling at least a little bit.

Since when?

 

He hasn't sold one thing Jericho did to him.

 

Not the mase, not the spear, not the chair

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Guest bps "The Truth" 21

Here's my whole problem with the selling monster vs. no-selling moster crap:

 

How does not taking pain make you look tough?

 

Tough isn't showing how weak your opponent is...it's getting your ass beat by them and overcoming for the win.

 

How is standing there and beating someone you made look weak helping anyone?

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Guest CanadianChick

I don't really get the no-selling thing either. Everybody sells, even Triple H sells. Why should Goldberg be exempted from this? So what if he's the monster heel? Brock was a monster heel, and he still sold.

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Guest bps "The Truth" 21

Who's tougher to you?

 

Taker for making everyone look beneath him by making their shots look weak...

 

or someone like Benoit who goes through a match making his opponent look like the toughest wrestler in the world...and then conquers him?

 

Another lesson that Vince has never learned.

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Guest Anglesault
or someone like Benoit who goes through a match making his opponent look like the toughest wrestler in the world...and then conquers him?

When the hell has that happened?

 

Over the last 3 months, the WWF has taught me that no matter what Benoit says, he is just a big failure

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Guest bps "The Truth" 21

I was thinking of WCW Benoit.

 

Sorry.

 

Matches with Raven, Sullivan and such.

 

As I said...a lesson Vince hasn't learned.

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Guest Banky

Face it, Goldberg has been booked to look weak. He hasn't been the ass kicker he was in WCW. Why mess with what worked in WCW? I want Jericho to win, but the build up has been with Goldberg looking like a complete patsy who is dumber than a bag of nails. And I'm sure Goldberg is as dumg as a bag of nails, but if the company wants him to look like a legitimate threat, he has to be booked stronger.

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Guest bps "The Truth" 21

Unless Goldberg is going to end up with a long dominating title reign on HHH ... sorry RAW...then making him look stronger than everyone and then beat them only further kills the roster.

 

If Goldberg isn't going to get the push in the end...having him dominate now doesn't make sense.

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Guest Super Pissed Smark

Goldberg is only screwing himself by not selling for Jericho, cuz that only leaves Nash, Steiner and HHH on the RAW side as credible opponents. And those matches will all suck.

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Guest Banky
Unless Goldberg is going to end up with a long

If Goldberg isn't going to get the push in the end...having him dominate now doesn't make sense.

Well isn't he being groomed to be THE major player on RAW or even the entire company? Thats how I interpretted it.

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Guest Banky
Goldberg is only screwing himself by not selling for Jericho, cuz that only leaves Nash, Steiner and HHH on the RAW side as credible opponents. And those matches will all suck.

He is selling just fine for Jericho. He is allowing Jericho to look like extremely devious while he looks like a dumb shit. I don't understand how anyone can say Goldberg isn't selling enough for Jericho. Do you complain for the sake of doing so? Sometimes I wonder...

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Guest Super Pissed Smark

You're right. I'm wrong. Goldberg is selling just fine for Jericho, and I hope Chris returns the favor by selling exactly the same way for him at the PPV. That would sure make for an interesting show.

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Guest Banky
You're right. I'm wrong. Goldberg is selling just fine for Jericho, and I hope Chris returns the favor by selling exactly the same way for him at the PPV. That would sure make for an interesting show.

And Jericho will bump for him fine too.

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Guest bps "The Truth" 21

I honestly don't know if that's the plan.

 

Can they run with Brock and Goldberg as identical cousins being champs of both shows?

 

There is a legit and very real roadblock to Goldberg getting a run as the top guy on the show.

 

The reality is...even if he wins the title...the show will still be built around HHH since he has to have 20 minute promos...and they can't stick the mic in Goldbergs hand for more than one.

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I honestly don't know if that's the plan.

 

Can they run with Brock and Goldberg as identical cousins being champs of both shows?

 

There is a legit and very real roadblock to Goldberg getting a run as the top guy on the show.

 

The reality is...even if he wins the title...the show will still be built around HHH since he has to have 20 minute promos...and they can't stick the mic in Goldbergs hand for more than one.

I have a strange feeling running through my bones...

 

WrestleMania XX

 

Title Unification Match, World Champ vs. WWE Champ

Goldberg vs. Brock Lesnar

 

Winner faces winner of the 2004 Royal Rumble match.

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Guest Trivia247

exactly what consititutes him selling?

 

the only selling I saw him do at all when he was in the Rock Shooter and was Whining as if it wasn't in the script for him to feel pain.

 

asides I am Consistant...Goldberg is shit, and if he sells fine he is selling shit.

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Guest Dangerous A

Goldberg should be selling for the main guys and that is all. You have to at least make him look somewhat special by having him look monstrous against the lower and midcard guys. IMO, Goldberg shouldn't be selling for everyone, at least not if you want him to draw you money. No one wants pay money to get behind a guy who can't deal with Three Minute Warning and Christian. They want to see someone who can actually give guys like HHH a match and potentially take his title. That's how Goldberg works. He isn't supposed to have that much "character depth" and such. His selling point is he is an animal.

 

 

That being said, this all could've been avoided if WWE would quit signing guys they can't promote (Steiner, Goldberg) and just run with what they have until the next big thing comes along. (they've already fucked EVERYONE currently on the roster who isn't in the upper echelon by making them all look like middle of the pack guys who will never move up, so no one you see on TV right now is going to draw because it's too late)

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Guest Trivia247
Goldberg should be selling for the main guys and that is all. You have to at least make him look somewhat special by having him look monstrous against the lower and midcard guys. IMO, Goldberg shouldn't be selling for everyone, at least not if you want him to draw you money. No one wants pay money to get behind a guy who can't deal with Three Minute Warning and Christian. They want to see someone who can actually give guys like HHH a match and potentially take his title. That's how Goldberg works. He isn't supposed to have that much "character depth" and such. His selling point is he is an animal.

 

 

That being said, this all could've been avoided if WWE would quit signing guys they can't promote (Steiner, Goldberg) and just run with what they have until the next big thing comes along. (they've already fucked EVERYONE currently on the roster who isn't in the upper echelon by making them all look like middle of the pack guys who will never move up, so no one you see on TV right now is going to draw because it's too late)

what doesn't sound good about that is, that GOldberg can take a Full Power slam from a 400 Pounder and no sell it, but he can take a Spinebuster from a HHH and he would Sell it like his Back was broke?

 

That is a bit foolish isn't it?

 

the one age old point about big people wrestling is that whatever they do the opponent should sell, no matter where they are in the hierarchy of Pushes.

 

the what if scale would be.

 

if Andre and Goldberg wrestled, If Goldberg no sold to Andre he would be on Shit duty for a full year afterwards.

 

If you got a wrestler whom is 350 + and being billed as a Big man, and wrestles as such, then they should be pushed, or at least SOLD as such!

 

and as for everyone else... a Suplex from a Lance Storm shouldn't hurt any less than a Suplex from a Jericho.

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Guest Dangerous A

No doubt no selling a 400 pounder's offense over a regular guy's spinebuster is silly, but so is the concept of Goldberg. I wasn't saying that I liked him no selling. However, he is killed dead in the water as a draw because what got him over (killing everyone in his path) in WCW is what WWE is not doing. The problem is if they do Goldberg the WWE way, it isn't going to work.

 

If you read the last bit, this could have all been avoided if they didn't sign the bastard in the first place. WWE has no clue on how to properly promote anyone who wasn't homegrown to them.

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Just remember that in his heyday, most of the roster was SCARED of Andre at one point or another... if you screwed up during a match against him, he would let you know it... by putting some REAL pain on you. Back before his disease really raged out of control, if Andre and Goldberg had a match and Goldberg pulled that kind of crap, Andre would go out of his way to "correct" him.

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Guest godthedog
Goldberg is only screwing himself by not selling for Jericho, cuz that only leaves Nash, Steiner and HHH on the RAW side as credible opponents. And those matches will all suck.

He is selling just fine for Jericho. He is allowing Jericho to look like extremely devious while he looks like a dumb shit. I don't understand how anyone can say Goldberg isn't selling enough for Jericho. Do you complain for the sake of doing so? Sometimes I wonder...

jericho hit him with a chair & he sold it like a bug bite. it wasn't even cool "oh my god this hurts but i'm going to stay standing" no-selling that brock did when he took that insane shot from the hardy boys soon after debuting. TOTALLY no-selling a chairshot not only makes jericho look like a little girl who can't swing a chair properly, it's exposing to the business & ruins the entire suspension of disbelief. it does not say "wow, this guy is tough," it says "hey, that looked really fake." it's like taking a pedigree, then getting straight up & walking to the back, it shits on everybody.

 

hence, goldberg did not sell enough for jericho.

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Guest Just call me Dan

What I don't get are Goldberg alleged complaints for having to be the ass off all the offense on the RAW shows. In the end, he gets a clean pinfall. We ALL know Jericho WILL NOT come anywhere close to winning. So Why cn't Golberg at least get his as kicked for 4 weeks straight to make it seem like perhaps Jericho can outsmart him and Goldberg persevere in the match? Does he have to play it 50/50 and the go over?

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Guest Kahran Ramsus

Most fans believe the toughest wrestler in WWF history to be Mick Foley, and he got the crap kicked out of him more times than anybody.

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Guest Austin3164life

Fans, especially WWE fans, don't buy Goldberg. Too bad, Vince.

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Guest Goodear

Funny when I saw the segment I saw 1) Goldberg standing there 2) Jericho coming from behind with a chair to hit him LIKE A COMPLETE GIRL just like he hits everything 3) Goldberg go down from the little contact Jericho actually made 4) Jericho run off and 5) Goldberg get up after a few seconds to do the smile thing so he didn't get completely punked out again for the fourth week in a row.

 

Christ, you all might as well call Foley a no seller since he's taking far worse chair shots to the face and a pedigree (which MURDERS everyone) on a chair no less and continues to function.

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Guest it-lenny

The match between Goldieberg and Rosey was absolute garbage and the Y2J run-in looked even worse.....

 

 

Y2J has his job cut-out for him this Sunday. Mr Jericho, get ready to strap on a HUGE backpack to carry Goldie's deadass

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Guest Trivia247
Most fans believe the toughest wrestler in WWF history to be Mick Foley, and he got the crap kicked out of him more times than anybody.

reason is they say Mick was the toughest was because he could get the crap beat out of him and still come back.

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