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[Guest treble charged]

Congrats, YOU are the reason that most people hate the Yankees and their fans.

[Guest nl5xsk1]

And for the second part: OUR trophies? Which Series winner did you play for? Which position? Or are the trophies kept in one central location for everyone to access, and you all are allowed to check them out for the day, for marches through other cities and whatnot? (and feel free to blast the Sox as your retribution. I couldn't care less about them, and agree that the Sox fans tend to bitch and moan a lot ... Having said that, though, I still hate the Yankees and their fans more.)

 

Sorry bout that, I'll never show pride and loyalty to a ball club ever again.

This is the only part of that rant that I feel the need/urge to respond to ...

 

... feel free to show pride or loyalty all you want (lol) but drop the OUR trophies crap. The trophies aren't yours, you had nothing to do with them.

 

I'm not saying that you're one of them, but I normally think that people that refer to themselves as part of the team have delusions of grandeur and are dissatisfied with their lack of sports prowress in reality.

[Guest Ghettoman]

Because there jealous? I already knew, no need for a trophy.

 

 

Ok, from now on I'll keep the semantics in check and never associate myself with a ball club I take great pride in and show loyalty too. What was I thinking....

[Guest MaxPower27]

It's fine to show loyalty, nobody is disputing that, but to be so blindly against anyone else not showing support for your team makes less people actually read your arguments.

[Guest nl5xsk1]

Associating with a team = good.

 

Referring to yourself as PART of the team = less good.

 

And his misuse of "their" "there" and "they're" is what makes me hesitate to read his arguments.

[Guest Ghettoman]

Sorry, mind my yours while your at it, but I think it's just because you can't make a point against it.

 

but to be so blindly against anyone else not showing support for your team makes less people actually read your arguments.

 

Care to point out me coming in here and attacking everyone who's not a Yankee fan unprovoked? Sorry if I defend MY team.

 

OUR trophies, the State of New Yorks trophies, the trophies of Yankee fans across the world. Why try to win them if your not gonna relate that success to others who show pride and loyalty in what you do?

[Guest the pinjockey]

First of all when a team wins 853 titles like the Yankees have, any time you say anything good about your team it will come off as bragging. Not your fault but thems the breaks.

 

Second of all the constant Yankee blow jobs by the media makes people hate the Yankees even more.

 

But I will give the Yankees their due, they built a hell of a team with Posada, Soriano, Jeter, Williams, Pettitte, Rivera. And they were willing to spend to get the other pieces.

 

 

Onto the other point.

There is a fine line when it comes to the we useage. And saying OUR trophies is about the most blantantly wrong use of the we concept I have ever seen.

 

Out of anything you can do, to associate yourself with a championship trophy is just silly.

 

When it comes to "we", I go with very few instances when it gets used:

 

A.) Signing, acquiring, or drafting a player

B.) Moving to a new building

C.) Going to the playoffs/Super Bowl

 

And that is about it, because in those cases it could actually include the fans as well. When you get a new player they become one of your people. And B and C includes the fans because it can literally happen (Attending games.)

[Guest Ghettoman]

OUR trophies, the State of New Yorks trophies, the trophies of Yankee fans across the world. Why try to win them if your not gonna relate that success to others who show pride and loyalty in what you do?

[The Dames 0]

Ghettoman is completely ruining my argument in page 1.

 

Completely ruining it.

 

Dames

[Guest Ghettoman]

Go ahead and explain how.

[Guest the pinjockey]

OUR trophies, the State of New Yorks trophies, the trophies of Yankee fans across the world. Why try to win them if your not gonna relate that success to others who show pride and loyalty in what you do?

Well if Derek Jeter hits a home run do you say WE just hit a homer? Because that pride and loyalty is still there and that success should be related to the fans as well.

 

And if you answered yes to the above question than there is no use arguing the point anymore, because that is just absurdity.

[Guest Ghettoman]

No, because thats one man, doing one thing. If I'm watching a game, and someone in the kitchen asks me what happen, sure I'll say "We just hit a homer" at times, why is that wrong? Explain to me the evil in associating yourself with something you take great pride in?

 

People always talk about the tradition lost in baseball and how it hurts the sport, and yet I'm a bad fan for taking pride in my state and the team that represents them, and evil for ever associating myself with them by word. How does that make sense?

[Guest Kingpk]

Did you put on a glove and make a play to help them win? No.

 

Using the word "we" just imples you actually was on the field throwing a runner out or standing next to Jeter, helping him swing. Nothing wrong with pride, it's just actually thinking of yourself as an actual part of the team is taking it a step too far.

[Guest Ghettoman]

I never said I look at myself as a part of the ball players, as a loyal fan I most certainly associate myself with the Yankee orginizaton on a broad level and speek as so when talking about that.

 

Whats wrong with that?

[Guest alkeiper]

Do you understand what a relief pitcher is? Notice the word relief, it means when a starting pitcher gets tired, and starts getting hit a lot, they take him out of the game for some one who's good to go for 1 or 2 solid. Many relief pitchers are used to even challenge a batters position to specify certain contact if any. Which in essence means, more pitchers, bigger challenge.

 

You can keep your dignity, try and sell it so you can buy a better agruement....you might have to throw a TV in too.

 

Ok, if a relief pitcher is harder to hit, then replacing Clemens with Acevedo was an excellent idea, wasn't it?

[Guest CanadianChris]

Do you understand what a relief pitcher is? Notice the word relief, it means when a starting pitcher gets tired, and starts getting hit a lot, they take him out of the game for some one who's good to go for 1 or 2 solid. Many relief pitchers are used to even challenge a batters position to specify certain contact if any. Which in essence means, more pitchers, bigger challenge.

 

You can keep your dignity, try and sell it so you can buy a better agruement....you might have to throw a TV in too.

 

Ok, if a relief pitcher is harder to hit, then replacing Clemens with Acevedo was an excellent idea, wasn't it?

It was to me.

[Gert T 0]

Alright, someone explain to me right now how it's easier to get a hit off of six pitchers than it is off of one. Either find away around logic, or just shut the fuck up.

Simple, no 6 pitcher tandem has thrown a no-hitter before!

[Guest bravesfan]

Tim Kurkijan with an interesting story on no-hitters...

 

No-hitters make no sense. Bud Smith has thrown a no-hitter, and Roger Clemens hasn't? Tommy Greene did, Steve Carlton didn't. Charlie Lea did, Greg Maddux hasn't. Mike Warren has more no-hitters than the Padres. Juan Nieves has more than the Mets. And six Astros pitchers -- in one game -- have taken part in as many no-hitters as Tom Seaver and Jim Palmer.

 

It's really hard to throw a no-hitter, which makes Johnny Vander Meer's back-to-back no-hitters in 1938 so remarkable. In the 12 seasons before his double dip, there were a total of two no-hitters in the National League. From 1916 through 1943, the only year in which two no-hitters were thrown in the NL was the year of Vander Meer's double no-hitter.

 

But if it's so hard, how could the White Sox's Joe Cowley throw one? His came in 1986. He walked seven in a 7-1 win over the Angels.

 

"He was so bad,'' Doug Rader, then a White Sox coach, said half-jokingly years later, "I didn't even shake his hand after the game.''

 

How could Bobo Holloman throw one? He was a bad relief pitcher on his way to the minor leagues, but before being sent down, the St. Louis Browns gave him his first major-league start on May 6, 1953. He threw a no-hitter. They couldn't send him to the minor leagues after that, so he stuck around, won two more games in his career, never threw another complete game and finished with an ERA of 5.21. The 1953 season was his only one in the major leagues.

 

If it's so hard to throw a no-hitter, how could it happen on consecutive days? On Sept. 17, 1968, the Giants' Gaylord Perry no-hit the Cardinals. On Sept. 18, the Cardinals' Ray Washburn no-hit the Giants. In 1990, there were seven no-hitters.

 

A no-hitter happens when great stuff intersects with good luck. Or, good stuff with great luck. And you only have to be great for a few hours, which explains how some truly ordinary pitchers have accomplished one extraordinary feat.

 

Great defense also helps. In Nieves' no-hitter in 1987, the final out came on a diving catch by center fielder Robin Yount on a drive by Eddie Murray. A forgiving official scorer also helps. Three pitchers in history recorded no-hitters when the official scorer changed a hit to an error after the game: Jeff Tesreau in 1912, Ernie Koob in 1917 and Virgil Trucks in 1952.

 

There have been 211 nine-inning no-hitters in history, seven by the incomparable Nolan Ryan, who threw his last one at age 44. Bob Feller pitched a no-hitter on Opening Day of the 1940 season, providing the answer to this conundrum: How it is possible for every hitter on a team to finish a game with the exact batting average as when they started?

 

With all the great pitchers in Mets history, it's hard to believe that no Met has thrown a no-hitter. Pat Zachry came close, and it's just as well he didn't get it. The story, originally told to Marty Noble of Newsday, goes this way. In 1982, Zachry had a no-hitter going with two outs in the eighth inning. He then gave up a hit to Bob Molinaro.

 

After the game, Zachry told Noble that he thought the eighth inning was actually the ninth inning. So, if he had gotten the last out of the eighth without giving up a hit, he would have leaped in the air, and perhaps into the arms of his catcher -- one inning early. How embarrassing would that have been?

 

In his book, "The Man Who Stole First Base," Craig Wright details a strange no-hitter. In 1923, Boston's Howard Ehmke threw a no-hitter against the Philadelphia A's. With two outs in the sixth, A's pitcher Slim Harris, an .060 hitter, doubled to left-center, but he missed first base. The Red Sox appealed, and Harris was called out at first -- nullifying the hit.

 

In Ehmke's next start, four days later at Yankee Stadium, he gave up a hit to the leadoff man, Whitey Witt, in the first inning. It was a highly questionable call, and everyone in the ballpark just assumed it was an error. But in 1923, the scoreboard gave only the run total, and there was no public address system.

 

When Ehmke got the final out in the ninth inning, the 15,000 fans cheered wildly, thinking that Ehmke had become the first man in history to throw back-to-back no-hitters. As it turned out, it was only a one-hitter.

 

Fifteen years later, Vander Meer did it for real. And that time, everyone knew it.

[Guest Some Guy]

Simple. The Astros' best pitchers are their five starters, along with Dotel and Wagner. So after those 7, you get to middle relief, their 8th through 10th best pitchers, who pitched six innings. Its simply easier to get hits off a team's worst pitchers than their best.

 

Do you understand what a relief pitcher is? Notice the word relief, it means when a starting pitcher gets tired, and starts getting hit a lot, they take him out of the game for some one who's good to go for 1 or 2 solid. Many relief pitchers are used to even challenge a batters position to specify certain contact if any. Which in essence means, more pitchers, bigger challenge.

 

You can keep your dignity, try and sell it so you can buy a better agruement....you might have to throw a TV in too.

How did I miss this one?

 

You're relief pitcher arguement is really stupid. It's been covered by others. How many times have the Yanks been shut down by the opposing starter only to tear up the Pen for 5 runs to win the game? Their you go. Most of the timet eh middle relief is the weakest link of a ball club. Look no further than the Bronx for a prime example, take a look in Boston if you want a second opinion.

 

Ghettoman, there have been signs of the Yanks going down for three years now. They got old, then got a bunch of new guys and they just haven't meshed and now they're old again. Except for Jeter, Soriano, and Johnson (who's hurt) I don't think there is one Yankees regular who is under 33 including the pitching staff. The team's weeknesses have been showing all year, bad bullpen, aging starters, poor attitude on the field, ego-manical owner, a manager beign handcuffed and shit on at every turn by said ego-manical owner. You can call it a bad game all you want, which it certainly was and make all teh excuses but you can't sit there and fool yourself into thinking that this is still the '98 team, cause it ain't.

 

Three years now? See thats funny, how you relate complete and total failure with not winning. If thats the case, how far down are the Sox? I mean they been falling for almost a 100 years now! I think it's a little dumb to say they haven't meshed when the Yankees had the best regular season record in baseball last year, were beat by the team who ended up taking it all, a year back losing game seven of the world series at the last possible oppurtunity. I mean if thats not a damn good ball club that meshes tell me what is?

 

Who said it was the 98 team? Maybe it's the 96 team, or hell how about 99? 00 maybe? How about the 78 team? Shall I continue? Or do you understand the point that there the 03 team, and no ones said otherwise?

 

Ego maniacal owner? Hey whatever you gotta call somebody who wants to see his team win.

 

Those weaknesses by the way were pretty funny, about how pitchers like Mussina and Wells, two relatively old guys(oh unless of course you were on about that Clemens fella who makes up all about 15% of there pitching staff, still hung up on him?) are getting old, so old the only time they lose is when they don't have good run support, or have had one or two bad outings, LIKE NORMAL PITCHERS. The rest though was just dumb so why bother.

 

Wait, i thought your caring owner does relate not winning the WS as total failure. Otherwise he wouldn't have radicaly changed teh team over the last few years. They lost in '01 series when Rivera blew the game, Rivera hasn't been the same since. He's given it up to the Sox like 4 times in the last 2 years. Jeter hasn't been the same. They tanked it completely in the the playoffs with the veterans starters blowing up. They're getting old, it happens. They're still very good.

 

Clemens would actually make up 20% of the starters and his effectiveness has coem into question a lot this year, but whatever. No, I'm not hung up on the guy. I did enjoy watching him struggel to get to 300, as I'm sure you would any player who left the Yanks for more money.

 

Pardon us for having a little fun at the expense of our least favorite team. Lord knows that a Yanks fan would never, ever throw salt on the wounds of their's. No, of course you wouldn't.

 

When you bash our club every chance you get why wouldn't we!? We never started bashing the losing team, it was the other way around, check your history. We go in defense mode when needed, and when you got 26 perty little statuettes backing you up it's not hard to gloat on those who wish ill.

 

I didn't start the bashing. You guys throw out the 1918 shit, fine although it's pretty lame at this point. The "whining Sox fans" whatever. Just to let you know the Sox fans whine a hell of a lot more about teh Red Sox than we do teh Yanks. I will admit that a lot of fans here do whine abotu NY for whatever reasons. I just hate the Yankees, I was born in Boston, I grew up loving the Sox and if you're a normal Sox fan you just hate NYY. I give them credit when it's due and critisize tehm as well, but not as much as I do my own team. Maybe you should try that and stop deluding yourself into thinking the Yanks are perfect and maybe think a little depper than "they had an off day". Just a question, if the Yanks were no hit by Pedro or Randy Johnson would they have had "an off day" or would they have been no hit by a hall of fame pitcher?

 

QUOTE]I don't think for one second that the Yanks are out of it, or won't play better, or trade to get better, but the signs of a decline are there and excuse me for hoping they continue and get markedly worse.

 

Decline!? They still have a winning record, can win two games and take back there division, what are you on!? One bad spell during the season, and oh no, the yankees are going down!!! Let's forget about how right before this skid happened the Yankees were undoubtedly one of the best clubs in baseball, oh and the fact that they still are.

 

Go back and read what I wrote. "the signs of a decline are there and excuse me for hoping they continue and get markedly worse." You refuse to even acknowledge that they might not be the best in baseball or not as good as they ahve been in years past. I see more holes in the team now than they've had in a while and I hope the holes become gaping craters. Sorry, I root for a team in teh same division.

 

We talk about whining Red Sox fans is all you do is whine about us! Remember, we didn't just decide one day to start trashing lesser teams, rivalry was born from jealousy, and the Yankees damn sure don't have a thing to be jealous about. Crying in our corn flakes!? Hello, ninth inning, game seven, great team. Wild Card!? The World Series Champions wild card....oh and who had the best record in baseball that year? I've seem to forgotten.

 

George upset at his team losing! There he goes caring again, someone give that man some morphine, he can't be going around feeling emotions, it's too dangerous.

 

Your agruing yourself in circles. The Yanks had the best record in baseball and lost to the Widl Card team who had a lesser record, shouldn't the team with the better record have won? The fact that the Angels went on to win it all is secondary. No one knew that at the time. So either they lost to lesser team or they lost to the World Champs. Eitehr way they lost badly in teh playoffs. they won 1 game, teh same team that won 103, only managed 1 win in the playoffs, after winning 10 the year before and 11 three years in a row.

 

So when the Yanks lose, it's George caring, but when the Sox lose we're whiners. OK.

 

And ladies and gentleman, I give you your quote of the year, take note, it's from A REDSOX FAN ABOUT THE YANKEES:

 

So therefore should I disregard every positive thing you've said about the Yanks because it's from A YANKEES FAN ABOUT THE YANKEES and everythign you've said about the Sox because it from A YANKEES FAN ABOUT THE RED SOX?

 

You really are an idiot.

 

Talk about whiners and poor losers all you want but maybe it's time to look in the mirror and see one too.

 

Only if it's a two way and your standing on the other side!

 

That must be that vaunted New Yorker wit.

[Guest Ghettoman]

God damn I'd love to reply but I think it's neccesary I'm able to read it first. Fix the quotes.

[Guest Bruiser Chong]

I always wonder how these supposed hardcore fans of teams would be acting if the team suddenly fell apart and became awful. I think the best example recently would be the LA Lakers. Granted, they didn't fall apart but when they got knocked outta the playoffs, I stopped hearing so many people singing their praises just like that. I hate these supposed fans who are only along for the ride if it's a smooth one.