No More Places to Look for WMDs...

[Guest TheMikeSC]

I seem to recall you telling me to shut my mouth so people wouldn't know that I was an idiot, after I mentioned that I felt the US Media was spewing propaganda about being for the war in Iraq(Which I believe it was, but that's another argument). But hey, if Fox News is what you prefer over those crazy Lefty conspiracy experts over at TIME magazine, than I suggest you heed your own advice.

Hmm, every single poll stated that the American people were for the war --- but I suppose you have info that contradicted what, well, EVERY source stated.

 

But, hey, if a communist site (which is what deoxy.org IS) is your idea of an honest site, it's your funeral.

-=Mike

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

As for "No Blacks Allowed" restaurants still existing in the South, you're lying. I am not sugar-coating it and I am not mis-stating it. In simple English: You are LYING through your teeth on that and it is BEYOND pathetic. Your entire post is undone by this absolute and unmitigated lie. See, I LIVE in the South --- if these restaurants existed, it would be fairly obvious as the South, whether you know it or not, has A LOT of blacks living here. Far more than up North.

 

I'm doubt you've driven by a shack and talked to a poor family picking cotton. You've probably not even SEEN a cotton farm in your life. Just because you have seen "Roots" or various other films about the plight of poor blacks in the antebellum South does not mean YOU personally have the slightest clue as to what life is like here -- or that it comparable to the situation TODAY.

 

You don't see ME saying I know what Canada is like because I've seen "Strange Brew" or "Canadian Bacon", do you?

-=Mike

I am many things but I am *not* a liar. I have seen these and I have talked to people. I've been to Georgia, Alabama, Texas, and a number of other Southren states. I never said it's widespread but there is still alot of racism in the south. and there ARE still places where blacks will be asked to leave if they want to eat.

 

There's no need to be petty. I haven't once called you a liar nor made this personal at all. Why do you need to stoop to personal attacks when no one else is? it doesn't make you look better in my eyes.

[Guest JMA]

Hmm, every single poll stated that the American people were for the war --- but I suppose you have info that contradicted what, well, EVERY source stated.

 

But, hey, if a communist site (which is what deoxy.org IS) is your idea of an honest site, it's your funeral.

-=Mike

I doupt that's true. You couldn't possibly know what EVERY poll said. As for the site, I shall view it myself and judge for myself whether it is communist or not.

[Guest JMA]

As for "No Blacks Allowed" restaurants still existing in the South, you're lying. I am not sugar-coating it and I am not mis-stating it. In simple English: You are LYING through your teeth on that and it is BEYOND pathetic. Your entire post is undone by this absolute and unmitigated lie. See, I LIVE in the South --- if these restaurants existed, it would be fairly obvious as the South, whether you know it or not, has A LOT of blacks living here. Far more than up North.

 

I'm doubt you've driven by a shack and talked to a poor family picking cotton. You've probably not even SEEN a cotton farm in your life. Just because you have seen "Roots" or various other films about the plight of poor blacks in the antebellum South does not mean YOU personally have the slightest clue as to what life is like here -- or that it comparable to the situation TODAY.

 

You don't see ME saying I know what Canada is like because I've seen "Strange Brew" or "Canadian Bacon", do you?

-=Mike

I live in the South as well (Alabama). Ruben was from Alabama and he is being shown everywhere here. I'd say that we are actually becoming quite more liberal and open-minded (a good thing IMO). There are, however, still the old guard of racists. Take this High School in Georgia, for example. They have segragated dances.

 

In conclusion, racism is still in the South, but so is tolerance and understanding.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

I wasn't using the site as the source, look all over and you can find that specific article. SHE DOESN'T WRITE FOR THE WEBSITE! Did you get that through yet? Good, now read it what it says after the article to find it's origin. The Washington Post is cited in there, as is Time Magazine. The whole situation is documented on BBC if you care enough to look. But, I guess none of that matters, because that one HOST site is all you care to look at.

 

I don't care if that specific site is communist, but the story is legit. The HOST is irrelevant. You obviously ignored the part where I said to look it up on other websites as well though right? I'm sure if I had that copy of Time Magazine handy you STILL wouldn't listen, so I guess it's pointless to bother trying with you.

 

The numbers were actually closer to the 50-50 range, and what else would you expect the public to do when all they're being fed is Pro-War In Iraq(notice not Pro-War ) propaganda? You have to take that into account.

 

Hmmm, all countries that weren't subject to only the US Media generally had polls that were predominantly AGAINST the war. How about that?

 

Replace restuarant with Golf Club and that point still stands. As for the cotton picking part, I think you'd have to clarify on whether or not you were implying that there are traces of slavery(which there most definitely are NOT) or racism and discrimination.

 

EDIT: Just got rid of some name-calling here and there.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

I am many things but I am *not* a liar. I have seen these and I have talked to people. I've been to Georgia, Alabama, Texas, and a number of other Southren states. I never said it's widespread but there is still alot of racism in the south. and there ARE still places where blacks will be asked to leave if they want to eat.

 

I believe this is true. Didn't Denny's run into a big problem a couple of years back with this?

 

It isn't legal, so I don't know why it takes so long to get reported. I do know several racists living in Central Florida, so it still exists even if it isn't widespread.

[Guest Kahran Ramsus]

Speaking about the topic. 6 months prior to the war, Iraq had WMD. This nobody disagrees with. It was up to Saddam to deliver proof that he destroyed them, but he never did. They aren't there now apparently, and if he destroyed them why wouldn't he have reported them. I pray to God that he didn't hand them over to terrorist groups like Al Queda.

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

I have honestly never heard about any boats? Did this happen a few days ago, or a few months ago?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=31117

 

United States and British intelligence are tracking three mystery cargo ships for fear they contain Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction, according to British reports.

 

The vessels left port in late November, just as United Nations weapons inspectors arrived in Iraq to search for chemical, biological and nuclear weapons believed to have been stockpiled since the Persian Gulf War.

 

They've been traveling in "ever-decreasing circles" ever since, all the while maintaining radio silence in violation of international maritime law. The captains refuse to reveal the content of their cargoes or destinations, according to the Independent and the Evening Standard.

 

The ships, each with a deadweight of 35,000 to 40,000 tons, were chartered by a shipping agent based in Egypt and are flying under the flags of three different countries, according to the British papers.

 

So, what happened here? bad source? if so, who was the source for the story?

 

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http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/23792

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/sit...ck_c.guest.html

 

I bet they're still out there, you know.

[Guest SP-1]

Was it neccessary for the United States? Perhaps not. It may be. As Kahran said, there's the possibility that the bastard gave them to terror groups. Simply because France and Co. bought him time to hide them/get rid of them by clogging up the UN Pipeline doesn't mean the Intel we were going on was bad. It simply means it changed due to interference and we couldn't catch it.

 

Was it neccessary for the Iraqi people?

 

Yes.

 

With everything in my heart and soul, I say yes. Now, that's not to say that we need to have much to do with their rebuilding process, because I think it's essential for them to accomplish alot of it on their own to establish any kind of national pride and gain a sense of worldwide dignity. But was it wrong for us to go in and take Saddam out on grounds of removing an oppressive madman? No. I don't personally believe so.

 

So neccessary depends on how you tend to look at it. Ultimately, I think it was. Because I'm more concerned with people than with weaponry.

[Guest JMA]

Speaking about the topic. 6 months prior to the war, Iraq had WMD. This nobody disagrees with. It was up to Saddam to deliver proof that he destroyed them, but he never did. They aren't there now apparently, and if he destroyed them why wouldn't he have reported them. I pray to God that he didn't hand them over to terrorist groups like Al Queda.

On the contrary, I think plenty of people disagree with that. Maybe he didn't want the UN officials coming in and seeing the way he horribly mistreated his people (mass graves, fabulous palace, ect al). Plus, letting them in might have made him look weak to those who supported him. There are many possible explanations.

[Guest Powerplay]

Speaking about the topic.  6 months prior to the war, Iraq had WMD.  This nobody disagrees with.  It was up to Saddam to deliver proof that he destroyed them, but he never did.  They aren't there now apparently, and if he destroyed them why wouldn't he have reported them.  I pray to God that he didn't hand them over to terrorist groups like Al Queda.

On the contrary, I think plenty of people disagree with that. Maybe he didn't want the UN officials coming in and seeing the way he horribly mistreated his people (mass graves, fabulous palace, ect al). Plus, letting them in might have made him look weak to those who supported him. There are many possible explanations.

1) We've known about those for years. It's not like these huge palaces are brand new, nor are his human rights abuses. They've been well-known for quite a while now.

 

2) How would it look weak after we've come in many times before that? And if he thought anyone was plotting against him he'd have them killed anyways.

 

Those are pretty lame explanations. I think it's a little more logical that he didn't want weapons inspectors because they might actually find weapons. He's been able to fool them before, but one knows not to press their luck.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

I have honestly never heard about any boats? Did this happen a few days ago, or a few months ago?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=31117

 

United States and British intelligence are tracking three mystery cargo ships for fear they contain Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction, according to British reports.

 

The vessels left port in late November, just as United Nations weapons inspectors arrived in Iraq to search for chemical, biological and nuclear weapons believed to have been stockpiled since the Persian Gulf War.

 

They've been traveling in "ever-decreasing circles" ever since, all the while maintaining radio silence in violation of international maritime law. The captains refuse to reveal the content of their cargoes or destinations, according to the Independent and the Evening Standard.

 

The ships, each with a deadweight of 35,000 to 40,000 tons, were chartered by a shipping agent based in Egypt and are flying under the flags of three different countries, according to the British papers.

 

So, what happened here? bad source? if so, who was the source for the story?

 

other links: http://coldfury.com/archives/000983.php

http://www.metafilter.com/mefi/23792

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/sit...ck_c.guest.html

 

I bet they're still out there, you know.

Maybe I do remember that story. There seems to be alot of similiar reports. Usually I just wait until a story is confirmed before I believe it. This doesn't sound like anything of great significance.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

Speaking about the topic.  6 months prior to the war, Iraq had WMD.  This nobody disagrees with.  It was up to Saddam to deliver proof that he destroyed them, but he never did.  They aren't there now apparently, and if he destroyed them why wouldn't he have reported them.  I pray to God that he didn't hand them over to terrorist groups like Al Queda.

On the contrary, I think plenty of people disagree with that. Maybe he didn't want the UN officials coming in and seeing the way he horribly mistreated his people (mass graves, fabulous palace, ect al). Plus, letting them in might have made him look weak to those who supported him. There are many possible explanations.

By not giving inspectors concrete proof of the destroyed WMD's programs he violated 1441. What reason he had to lie doesn't really matter.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

 

As for "No Blacks Allowed" restaurants still existing in the South, you're lying. I am not sugar-coating it and I am not mis-stating it. In simple English: You are LYING through your teeth on that and it is BEYOND pathetic. Your entire post is undone by this absolute and unmitigated lie. See, I LIVE in the South --- if these restaurants existed, it would be fairly obvious as the South, whether you know it or not, has A LOT of blacks living here. Far more than up North.

 

I'm doubt you've driven by a shack and talked to a poor family picking cotton. You've probably not even SEEN a cotton farm in your life. Just because you have seen "Roots" or various other films about the plight of poor blacks in the antebellum South does not mean YOU personally have the slightest clue as to what life is like here -- or that it comparable to the situation TODAY.

 

You don't see ME saying I know what Canada is like because I've seen "Strange Brew" or "Canadian Bacon", do you?

              -=Mike

I am many things but I am *not* a liar. I have seen these and I have talked to people. I've been to Georgia, Alabama, Texas, and a number of other Southren states. I never said it's widespread but there is still alot of racism in the south. and there ARE still places where blacks will be asked to leave if they want to eat.

 

There's no need to be petty. I haven't once called you a liar nor made this personal at all. Why do you need to stoop to personal attacks when no one else is? it doesn't make you look better in my eyes.

You are BEYOND full of it about this and you'd be well-advised to simply exit, stage left. You are lying through your teeth about this.

 

Guess what? I LIVE in SC and have spent too much time in the God-forsaken hellhole states that make up the armpit of America. I don't even LIKE the South and I still say that you are lying, badly, about this.

 

There are NO places where blacks are asked to leave in the South. Heck, right here in this state, we have a chain called Maurice's Piggy Park. Maurice is a racist and lost a suit in the '60's about keeping blacks out of his restaurants.

 

He can't even get A SINGLE STORE in the city of Columbia --- his HOME, mind you --- to carry his Bar-B-Q sauce.

 

You expect ANYBODY to believe that a single restaurant would not have been sued out of existence if they tried this same crap?

 

Give me a break.

 

I'm calling you a liar here because YOU ARE LYING HERE. This is not a statement about anything you posted in the past.

 

About THIS, you are lying through your teeth.

-=Mike

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

This week, a U.N. nuclear team returned to Iraq to survey the damage at Tuwaitha - where 2 tons of uranium had been stored for more than a decade. They began scanning the facility and its equipment for leaking radiation and signs of missing uranium.

 

That is the most interesting and disturbing statement in that article, which leads me to wonder why no one brought it up. If the military actually let people loot uranium, someone had better answer for it.

[Guest Hogan Made Wrestling]

Some interesting news from Britain on this whole situation:

 

Iraqi mobile labs nothing to do with germ warfare, report finds

Peter Beaumont, Antony Barnett and Gaby Hinsliff

Sunday June 15, 2003

The Observer

http://www.observer.co.uk/international/st...,977853,00.html

 

A summary

 

An official British investigation into two trailers found in northern Iraq has concluded they are not mobile germ warfare labs, as was claimed by Tony Blair and President George Bush, but were for the production of hydrogen to fill artillery balloons, as the Iraqis have continued to insist.

The conclusion by biological weapons experts working for the British Government is an embarrassment for the Prime Minister, who has claimed that the discovery of the labs proved that Iraq retained weapons of mass destruction and justified the case for going to war against Saddam Hussein.

 

Instead, a British scientist and biological weapons expert, who has examined the trailers in Iraq, told The Observer last week: 'They are not mobile germ warfare laboratories. You could not use them for making biological weapons. They do not even look like them. They are exactly what the Iraqis said they were - facilities for the production of hydrogen gas to fill balloons.'

 

The conclusion of the investigation ordered by the British Government - and revealed by The Observer last week - is hugely embarrassing for Blair, who had used the discovery of the alleged mobile labs as part of his efforts to silence criticism over the failure of Britain and the US to find any weapons of mass destruction since the invasion of Iraq.

 

The revelation that the mobile labs were to produce hydrogen for artillery balloons will also cause discomfort for the British authorities because the Iraqi army's original system was sold to it by the British company, Marconi Command & Control.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

You expect ANYBODY to believe that a single restaurant would not have been sued out of existence if they tried this same crap?

 

Give me a break.

 

I'm calling you a liar here because YOU ARE LYING HERE.

Indeed. I have Mike's back on this one. If this were the 1960s, maybe. Now? Not a chance in hell. I've spent quite a lot of time in the South myself (unlike Mike, though, I'm very fond of it) and I've never seen anything like this anywhere.

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

"Take this High School in Georgia, for example. They have segragated dances."

 

The high school didn't have segragated dances -- a bunch of redneck kids decided to have their own function. It wasn't school sanctioned.

 

"Didn't Denny's run into a big problem a couple of years back with this?"

 

Most of the Denny's lawsuits I've heard/read about involved black families (some with rather large parties) waiting a long time to be seated and getting poor service.

 

I'm sure Jesse Jacksion WISHES there were "No Blacks Allowed" stores around now so he could march around them with bused in protestors and shake these businesses down so he can keep his mistress and lovechild quiet...

[Guest Brian]

Does racism matter whether it's recognized as institutional or whether it's embedded in the midset of some of the people? The latter is sometimes worse, because at least you know who you're enemies are.

[Guest Ripper]

There are resturants that still have a no blacks policy, they just don't say it. There are plenty of resturants that when blacks come in and sit down will simply never be waited on. Now there are no signs, there isn't some big white guy named bubba coming out the back with a cleaver saying "We don't take kindly to your kind round here..." but it happens.

 

Jesse Jackson doesn't sue these places because they are usually small, family owned places and there is no money in it for him.

 

Calling someone a liar because you haven't seen it is ridiculous. There are plenty of places in the Alabama and Georgia area that I personally know of that there is still STRICT segregation. It is a understood thing that blacks don't come in here and whites won't go over there.

 

Is it as rampant as it was in the 60's? No...does it still happen...yes.

 

Last year, there was a near race riot at my home town highschool when this black girl kissed her white boyfriend. the Jr. Klan members didn't take to kindly to this and the black students didn't like the big ol' racist white boys in the girls face and there came the fighting. Cops were on patrol at the school for the rest of the year. My senior year, 8 white student jumped a black kid for trying to hit on a white girl and they didn't get punished. Then came the race fights. Cops till the end of they year.

 

You all didn't hear about this because basically, it was handled in a small town and people weren't just calling the news. In small towns, people live and let live. This is how the No Blacks allowed policy can continue to thrive without you knowing about it.

 

As for the WMD thing. Now I don't believe that there are any there and I don't care...I am happy Saddam is out of power. BUT... the people that were against the war were saying "It has only been 10 months, give the inspectors more time to find the WMD" now the EXACT same people are saying "It's been 10 weeks...why haven't you found the WMD...you are LIARS!!!!!"

 

You can't have it both ways.

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

And there are places with a no-white policy. I know -- I've experienced it. Big deal.

 

Why can't we all just get along?...

 

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=33108

 

A 13-year-old Caucasian girl was brutally attacked by a mob of black and Hispanic teen-agers in what appears to be a racially motivated "hate crime" committed in honor of "Beat Up a White Kid Day," reports the Cleveland Plain Dealer.

 

Authorities say 12 girls and six boys, aged 9 through 15, beat, kicked and choked the girl near Wilbur Wright Middle School in Cleveland, Ohio, in observance of a May Day ritual among the teens.

 

The Plain Dealer reports police were tipped off that a racial incident might happen and arrived on the scene as the crime was taking place.

 

Delinquency charges of felonious assault, ethnic intimidation and aggravated riot were filed against the 18 in Cuyahoga County Juvenile Court late last week.

 

If convicted, the teens face a minimum of one year in a juvenile facility.

 

Carmen Naso, supervisor of the juvenile justice unit of the county prosecutor's office, told the paper that evidence indicates the victim was attacked because of her race.

 

According to Naso, the victim remains under medical care and suffers blackouts as a result of the attack.

 

Five of the assailants attend the middle school with the victim and received 10-day suspensions.

[Guest Ripper]

You know...I really like fish sticks....

 

 

...

 

 

 

Seeing how far away from the original topic we can take this. WMD to racial discrimination...how d fuck did that happen?

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

Page 2, Cobain's post.

 

And fish sticks are OK, but I usually buy batter-dipped fillets...

[Guest JMA]

The high school didn't have segragated dances -- a bunch of redneck kids decided to have their own function. It wasn't school sanctioned.

I was actually already aware of that. However, the school SHOULD have stopped it.

[Guest JMA]

Anyways, maybe now we can get back to the topic of WMDs in Iraq. If no one objects, that is.

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

I was actually already aware of that. However, the school SHOULD have stopped it.

The school had nothing to do with it. I guess the teachers should have driven up to the redneck gathering and told everyone to go home or something.

 

NOW we can get back to WMDs...

[Guest Ripper]

Only the school DID allow them to have "prom" committee meetings on campus, take up collections at said meetings and allowed them to call it the "insert school name here" 2003 Prom...

 

 

Now how bout them WMD?

[Guest Spicy McHaggis]

Page 2, Cobain's post.

 

And fish sticks are OK, but I usually buy batter-dipped fillets...

Claim Jumper's makes a mean Fish & Chips.

[Guest TheMikeSC]

There are resturants that still have a no blacks policy, they just don't say it. There are plenty of resturants that when blacks come in and sit down will simply never be waited on. Now there are no signs, there isn't some big white guy named bubba coming out the back with a cleaver saying "We don't take kindly to your kind round here..." but it happens.

 

Jesse Jackson doesn't sue these places because they are usually small, family owned places and there is no money in it for him.

 

Calling someone a liar because you haven't seen it is ridiculous. There are plenty of places in the Alabama and Georgia area that I personally know of that there is still STRICT segregation. It is a understood thing that blacks don't come in here and whites won't go over there.

 

Is it as rampant as it was in the 60's? No...does it still happen...yes.

 

Last year, there was a near race riot at my home town highschool when this black girl kissed her white boyfriend. the Jr. Klan members didn't take to kindly to this and the black students didn't like the big ol' racist white boys in the girls face and there came the fighting. Cops were on patrol at the school for the rest of the year. My senior year, 8 white student jumped a black kid for trying to hit on a white girl and they didn't get punished. Then came the race fights. Cops till the end of they year.

 

You all didn't hear about this because basically, it was handled in a small town and people weren't just calling the news. In small towns, people live and let live. This is how the No Blacks allowed policy can continue to thrive without you knowing about it.

 

As for the WMD thing. Now I don't believe that there are any there and I don't care...I am happy Saddam is out of power. BUT... the people that were against the war were saying "It has only been 10 months, give the inspectors more time to find the WMD" now the EXACT same people are saying "It's been 10 weeks...why haven't you found the WMD...you are LIARS!!!!!"

 

You can't have it both ways.

Do you know WHY blacks "don't get served" in restaurants? As a former waiter, I can tell you EXACTLY why. It boils down to this:

 

1) Black tables don't tend to tip well. Call it racist, but based on MY experience as a waiter --- and the experience of ALL the other serves (INCLUDING the black ones) --- they will run you the most and tip you the least; many of them don't tip and a nice chunk of them don't even pay the bill.

 

2) They tend to be pains in the BUTT. They just are --- and again, it's not like black servers didn't say the EXACT same thing. There were plenty of bad tables; but the PERCENTAGE of them as FAR lesser than the black tables.

 

Racism -- or simply waiters using past experience to determine if a table is worth the time or effort? It's not institutional --- it's simply past experience.

 

 

Jesse sues a place because he is a total media and money whore. Let's not attempt to attach noble reasons for his actions.

 

Hmm, so I can say something COMPLETELY asinine and patently false and NOBODY can ever call me on it? You sure you want to travel down this road? I will say --- to your face --- that YOU are lying. Again, if these places existed, they'd be SUED OUT OF EXISTENCE. It really isn't hard to fathom.

 

Heck, I've been to black-owned gas stations (The Hot Spot about 2 miles from Five Points, if you want specifics --- and this happened just yesterday for that matter) where they refused to turn on the pumps for whatever reason.

 

Do I call them racist or say that this is even a policy? No, I say that the people who run the station are blithering idiots and if they go out of business, they bloody well deserve it.

 

There is a world of difference between de facto segregation and de jure segregation. If blacks wish to not frequent "white" establishment, fine. If whites don't wish to frequent "black" establishments, fine.

 

Again, WORLD of difference between de jure and de facto segregation.

-=Mike

[Guest TheMikeSC]

The high school didn't have segragated dances -- a bunch of redneck kids decided to have their own function. It wasn't school sanctioned.

I was actually already aware of that. However, the school SHOULD have stopped it.

How can a school stop it?

 

It's done BY the kids AWAY from school.

 

Lame as it was, there wasn't a thing the school could've done.

=Mike