hulimation of Lance Storm

[Guest Ghettoman]

Regarding the Torch peice:

 

The only way they'd take that route is to make him a much more interactive heel, and thats of course a good thing because he won't be boring anymore.

[Guest JMA]

The only reason that I think that Rico needs to be a homosexual is because they've blatantly admitted that they were ripping off the Adrian Street character. And Street portrayed it with every gay stereotype imaginable.

 

If you're going to steal a gimmick, at least do it right. Don't dumb it down to make it more P.C.

Ah, but was Street's character REALLY gay? Maybe he was only assumed to gay because he fit the stereotypes. People sometimes assume that effemininity equals homosexuality. But did Street ever actually kiss another man? Look at Goldust, he planned "homosexual" mind-games and then had some tongue fun with Marlena.

[Guest Celtic Jobber]

The Avg. mark gave Benoit a standing ovation.

That's a really WEAK argument considering WWE hardly (if ever) gives Lance Storm more than 3 minutes match time (much less a 20 minute classic with someone like Kurt Angle), and the crowd has been given no reason to care about him other than he's a "boring Canadian guy, who hates America".

 

Oh, and if you wanna see how apathetic the marks really are to Benoit, check out his match on Smackdown tomorrow night. I heard they actually start a chant for a local sports team out of sheer boredom.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

CJ, do you even know the context inwhich that was said?

[Guest Adrian 3:16]

Oh, and if you wanna see how apathetic the marks really are to Benoit, check out his match on Smackdown tomorrow night. I heard they actually start a chant for a local sports team out of sheer boredom.

Let's not forget that a lot has changed since the Rumble. Since then Benoit has been jobbed out mercilessly in one of the worst de-pushes since Jericho 2002 in spite of being so over in January- or perhaps because of it if you're the conspiracy type. People can only get behind a loser for so long before they get fed up and move on.

 

And in case anyone brings up Foley or Tommy Dreamer in ECW, the difference there is they always lost or got their ass kicked, so when they did finally win the big one it was a huge deal. Those are exceptions that prove the rule. Benoit, on the other hand, was always potrayed as a super talented machine, aside from those two cockteased title runs in 2000. Since then, he's been pussified. Now the crowd sits on their hands accordingly.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

NO ONE mentioned how Cena's Velocity match got the same chant, but Cena's apparently the future or something, so we'll neglect that....

 

And Rudo, he damn well knew the context used, but chose to ignore it because you know, it would take away from his argument.

Edited June 19, 2003 by Mulatto Heat

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

No, they want to make a living entertaining people, which is exactly what those thing acheived. Maybe not you, but obviously your not easy to entertain, I mean come on, you talk about straight-laced wrestlers and being let down constantly, and yet you still watch?

 

Ah yes, it's only I who doesn't find Old Men fondling young ladies, or getting their ass kissed by another man, or seeing one mans face in another mans ass-crack to be entertaining... Because really, that's the pinnacle of comedy and the height of entertainment right there... Only second to Pies-in-the-face and Gas jokes... which the WWE has done in the past...which the WWE has done in the past week... HAW HAW HAW IT'S SO FUNNAY~!.. Silly me, my standards are WAAY too high.

 

Your acting as if the word boring can never be a part of wrestling because the only way its been used is as a chant to show displeasure.

 

I have to act that way?

 

To every fan watching Lance in a typical WWE singles match, he is boring, boring as hell, now there playing off of it, to go somewhere else. I guess you just have this idea that the WWE is going to use that just so the fans will chant boring at Lance whenever he wrestles in an attempt to get him over, where's the basic reasoning there!?

 

Ah, so they won't cheer it at any other times in the show... like they did with Rico vs. Spike? Hey, "You fucked Up" got the fans to participate too! That turned out so well.

 

Yeah, can you say bias? If you feel so strongly about the WWE in such a negative way to the point where you'll say something like this, why are you watching, or even keeping track?

 

Ah, classic response. Don't deal with the issue, bitch about the poster making it. "if you don't like it, don't watch it" "if you don't watch it, don't talk about it" "if you don't talk about it, then you don't post here" In other words, "if you don't like it, don't post here - cause I dunwanna hear my WWE talked about negitivwey!"

 

Do you realize the Lance Storm we've been seeing is the one the WWE has given us? Did Austin talk about Storm being boring in WCW? ECW? I don't think so....

 

Ah yes, he's the one who gets beat up by midgets, and gets squashed by countless wrestlers, and hasn't had a convincing win in his stay in the WWE... I mean, THAT's the Lance Storm the WWE has given us... And now that's all going to change cause the fans now will also be chanting "boring".

 

 

Yes the WWE has never ever done anything right,....say it again now, 'b-i-a-s'....

 

Can you say “upass” as in “Your head up Vince Mcmahon’s ass” WCW invasion? NWO? Kronik? Steiner? Goldberg? Split? Nathan Jones? La Res? House Shows, Buyrates, Ratings all falling? Say it with me now: f-a-i-l-u-r-e-s.

 

The WWE's had bright spot after bright spot, like I said, there number one problem is follow through, which makes those bright spots either forgotten or erased. Why not accept this as another possible bright spot considering it was only the beginning? Because a boring chant was involved? Basic reasoning there?!

 

The basic reasoning behind the boring chant and it's negative effect on the product is simple: fans will now be more likely to chant "boring" at every rest hold, or in every match that goes over 3 minutes; rather than waiting to see the match develop they will start chanting cause Good Ol Stone Cold told em to. This will demoralize the WWE wrestlers even more as a)those in the arena are shitting on their match and b)those at home will see and hear this and associate them with "boring".

 

B-I-A-S, once more, B-I-A-S

 

Los Guerreros

 

Eddie is still Latino Heat and Chavo acts just like him. No difference in character other than the heel and face role. Look at him in 2000 and now... no difference.

 

Team Angle

 

Um, they're the same guys they were when they started.

 

Kurt Angle

 

Still Goofy-as-fuck.

 

Triple H

 

Not Character development, that's a character change. You have Blue Blood Hunter, then DX Hunter, then The Game. Character development is building, not rebuilding.

 

Rock

 

Ditto. His 'development' into "hollywood" Rock was horrible as well.

 

Austin

 

Wait, Austin's character has developed? What? He's the same guy. What? That he's always been. What?

 

Randy Orton

 

This is developed? Excuse me while I search for it... *looks* *looks* *looks*

,

hold on let me stop before I name 90% of the roster. The WWE is always developing characters, not well is another issue, to say there incapable of doing so when they show the ability to constantly is a little ridiculous. They try, and at times succeed for a while, it's follow through there lacking.

 

Look at what you are saying. "They _Try_ and _at times_ succeed _for a while_." Why don't you just say "the could maybe sorta almost do it right for a little tiny small period of time maybe sorta almost." I suppose your definition of “character development“ is ‘they turned him heel and now he acts bad!’.

 

How is it the worst possible way when you don't even know what it is yet!?!? Listen to yourself for (religious icon here)'s sake. We don't even know where there going yet, we just know how there starting, and thats by pointing out the obvious, Lance is boring(and thats there fault).

 

Ok, so if you light a match and throw it into forest and watch it burn one tree down and moves on to another, are you going to say "we don't know what's going to happen, so lets wait and see"? The match has already been lit and thrown, I don't need to see the forest ablaze to know that it's going to cause a massive fire.

 

Is 'basic reasoning' one of those terms you can spell and say but don't understand? Show me the reason the WWE would start something with Lance's character only to use him less? Come on this should be good....

 

Because it has happened many times before. Let's see: Raven - got a small lil push, then got dropped. Tazz, got a small lil push, then got dropped. Dreamer, Booker, RVD, Kane, The Hurricane, Christian, Albert, Knoble, Funaki, Demott, Spanky, Cena... do I have to go on? All guys who have gotten a push for maybe a month and then completely dropped from anything meaningful.

 

If you want mine, the reason there doing this is to give Storm a more active role on Raw now that the brands have split and there's more room, I think logic would tell us that if the WWE didn't want Storm to go somewhere they wouldn't waste the effort on trying to do so.

 

You're assuming that "Real World Logic" is the same as "WWE Logic" - which it clearly is not. "Real World Logic" would suggest that pushing Old Guys who don't Work House Shows or a normal schedule over Young Guys who do is a bad idea. WWE Logic, on the other hand, likes to focus on the guys with no real future. Why would they want Storm to have a more active role? They‘ve fucked him up so many times.

 

No, because if your only watching to bash why waste your time? Time and time again, why wait around for another time? If it's so stupid to do so why are you? I think your looking for that half full glass as much as I am it's just easier to take it the other way these days. I mean why else watch if you don't somewhere in the back of your head expect a turn around? Why would you constantly put yourself through the "torture" as you so imply of watching?

 

Again, not answering the question. I hope you don't continue to go on with the "just give it a try guys" route and then follow it up with this non-answer. I watch infrequently, a severe drop in what I used to. I mainly check it out to see how they handle a big angle (they usually blow it, and I laugh)

 

I like what there doing, and what there doing is something with Lance Storm, something thats gonna take him from what he is now and make him something more exciting, more entertaining to watch. If they weren't at least going to try they would of never started the angle in the first place.

 

And you still can’t support your reasoning or your dumb, blind, hope... oh, I guess that does explain it...

[Guest Hartinator]

I remember a long, long time ago when WCW was around that a lot of "StormTroopers" really wanted him to leave WCW and head to the WWF so he can become a "BIGGER" star. Hmm...yeah...see in WCW he was a triple crown chamion...big time player...and in the WWF he is....uh..what now? Oh, right...Boring.

 

FOR SHAME.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

Ah yes, it's only I who doesn't find Old Men fondling young ladies, or getting their ass kissed by another man, or seeing one mans face in another mans ass-crack to be entertaining...

No, but they were getting pretty good ratings with some of that.

 

I think necrophilia was going too far, but in general television as a whole has shown us that the only thing America likes more than sex and violence is people being stupid.

 

Because really, that's the pinnacle of comedy and the height of entertainment right there... Only second to Pies-in-the-face and Gas jokes... which the WWE has done in the past...which the WWE has done in the past week... HAW HAW HAW IT'S SO FUNNAY~!.. Silly me, my standards are WAAY too high.

 

They probably are. While I'm sure there'd be a lot wittier content if we had Nathan Lane or Steve Martin instead of Vince Russo and Brian Gewertz, we don't, and the comedy in wrestling requires maintaning a balance. You can't go back to the Gobbeldygooker vs El Gigante days when the show was a Saturday Morning Cartoon or NES game come to life because you lose anyone over 10, but you can't have the wrestlers referencing Shakespeare or you lose the younger crowd who's buying action figures and crappy HHH inflatable hammer.

 

Ah, so they won't cheer it at any other times in the show... like they did with Rico vs. Spike?  Hey, "You fucked Up" got the fans to participate too!  That turned out so well.

 

If they did, would it technically be that bad for us as wrestling fans? God knows they need ANY KIND OF CLUE backstage as to what people do and don't want to see, and the lone guy shouting "BORING!" at a 3MW match and "Get to the point!" at a long-winded HBK promo just won't work. Hasn't worked all year, won't start working now.

 

If "Boring" is catchy in live crowds and winds up being a weapon to express mass displeasure with what's going on in the ring, how can it be bad? It's bad for them, because they fed it to the crowds and it blew up in our faces, does that hurt wrestling except in the extreme short term?

 

Boring isn't an incredibly fun chant. You can't tell me people will chant it just because they can. I think people who got pops (Hurricane, Mysterio, Benoit to an extent, etc) will still get these pops, while the people who are indeed boring as all fuck (Goldberg, HHH, Nash) will get boring chants.

 

That is, in case you didn't notice, good for us. It's a boneheaded move on WWE's part, but it can't be anything but good news for those who want entertainment and not boring guys pushed down their throats.

 

Can you say “upass” as in “Your head up Vince Mcmahon’s ass” WCW invasion?

 

You could do better with the same roster?

 

NWO?

 

Accidents happen. Bitch out whoever told Nash he'd wrestle that night without his gear.

 

Kronik? Steiner?  Goldberg?

 

These never should have fuckin' happened. I'll give them to you.

 

Split?

 

Successful in my view.

 

Nathan Jones?

 

A sign of everyone and anyone being called up from OVW and how it backfires at ya?

 

La Res?

 

You know I enjoy this team despite the 80s feel of their gimmick, so we need to agree to disagree here.

 

House Shows, Buyrates, Ratings all falling?

 

That's just the results of the above. Sort of. I agree Fuck Goldberg is a bad idea, but it does seem that, for now, his segments are getting high ratings. His "new signee" bump should have ended by now if he didn't have draw like the others.

 

The basic reasoning behind the boring chant and it's negative effect on the product is simple: fans will now be more likely to chant "boring" at every rest hold, or in every match that goes over 3 minutes; rather than waiting to see the match develop they will start chanting cause Good Ol Stone Cold told em to.  This will demoralize the WWE wrestlers even more as a)those in the arena are shitting on their match and b)those at home will see and hear this and associate them with "boring".

 

I still think it means that it will be reserved for those who deserve it. In general, people who get silence at entrance are more likely to get boring.

 

HHH = Moderate Pop

HHH Indian Deathlock / Sleeper / Whatever = Boring Chant

 

Hurricane = Huge Pop

Hurricane Match = Crowd heat, no boring chant

 

Nash = No Pop

Nash Match = Boring chants, Diesel Sucks, etc

 

Goldberg = Mixed (varied on opponents)

Goldberg Match = Not likely to get a boring chant to the squashyness of Goldberg Matches, but if his opponent is someone like Rosie instead of someone like Jericho, you can bet it'll be there.

 

Not Character development, that's a character change.  You have Blue Blood Hunter, then DX Hunter, then The Game. Character development is building, not rebuilding.

 

Err, yes they've developed it. In 2002/2003 he went from being the angry pissed off dude to being specifically angry and pissed off at Shawn, then he turned into a Muscle Jealousy victim in the Steiner feud, then he shifted into being a racist in this Booker T feud, the Nash shit was treading water so we'll discount that, and now he's the gang leader or whatever like how he started with DX.

 

There's more than just the three big phases of HHH but little developments every few months. The problem is that due to unearned booking power he buries people all month long to build himself up then never jobs to anyone. There's no other reason Booker shouldn't have gone over at WM. That HHH racist gimmick wouldn't have happened if the company didn't have faith in Booker as champ. That admissal of his past crimes wouldn't have happened if the company didn't have faith in him as Champ.

 

...But then Daddy's Girl got some damn fine pleasuring the night before, and Booker never got the pin, making things look especially bad.

 

Just the other week we had Flair talking shit about making people his bitch and mile-long limos, and then HHH and Flair both went over in their matches. I was expecting to see said limo arrive before the show ended. =b

 

Ditto.  His 'development' into "hollywood" Rock was horrible as well.

 

WHAAA?