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[Guest La Parka Es Mi Papa]

Punk, as a word, doesn't even really describe a musical style. It's really more of an attitude and an approach to music, which is why people can call bands as different as Black Flag, the Talking Heads, Blondie, and the Ramones one genre. Y'know, come to think of it, I never really liked the word "punk".

 

It's good to the Agent Orange love. And yeah, the Dickies were damn cool.

 

If we're gonna worship any suicidal junkie icon, let's at least make it Johnny Thunders. That guy was wicked awesome.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

Any solo Angus played sounded as if he was just jamming in the studio. "Oh shit you were recording that? Cool!"

 

The Clash are the ultimate punk band. London Calling is the greatest punk album ever....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

in my opinion.

[Guest La Parka Es Mi Papa]

Yes, London Calling is one of my favorite albums ever.

[Guest cabbageboy]

I have listened to London Calling several times, and I like the album but it dates badly in some ways. Lots of good stuff on that album though.

 

Incidentally who said the Offspring were lousy songwriters who stumble through a song? Aside from a bit of clumsiness on the first record (which is a curio for hardcore fans) I've never heard them stumble or ask myself "why is this in the song?"

 

To compare them to Green Day even further since they both started getting popular within months of each other....GD had the more popular album in Dookie, but the Offspring have been a much more consistent band (Insomniac and Nimrod were Green Day CDs that were ok but not real amazing).

 

I find it amusing that people say the Offspring sold out with Americana, when it was basically the same sort of stuff they'd been doing since Smash. Pretty Fly was the Come Out and Play of that album, She's Got Issues was Self Esteem.

 

Why the lack of interest in Ixnay on the Hombre? I know it had slightly disappointing sales originally but that CD rules. Guess it just lacks that ONE truly notable single (Come Out and Play, Pretty Fly, Original Prankster) that they are known for.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

I love Ixnay. It's short but I can play "All I Want" over and over again. It's a very good cd.

 

I tried to get into their pre-Smash stuff but none of it did much for me. I really like Smash, Ixnay, and Conspiracy...Americana is alright, but my least fav of the newer ones. But "Gone Away" was a decient hit for them.

[Guest Nanks]

I don't know if you're referring to me with the Offspring "selling out" with Americana thing, if so I think you misunderstood. Americana is just my least favourite of the lot. I skip Pretty Fly and Get A Job when I listen to it, but there just seem to be songs I don't enjoy on there for some reason. There aren't any songs on their other CDs I don't like. It is kinda strange that Ixnay isn't as popular for one reason or another. I love Ixnay. The Offspring is still the best concert I've been to as well. Dexter & Noodles have an awesome stage presence and they really make a show out of it.

[Guest cabbageboy]

I can see why someone wouldn't like the first Offspring album or Ignition. The production is clunky on the first one and Ignitions at times sounds downright crappy (at times Dexter's vocals are inaudible). Ignition doesn't have a weak track on it, but it ranks below some others due to the lesser sound quality alone.

 

I've wanted to see Offspring in concert for almost a decade but they never seem to come near me.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

When I saw the Offspring it was one of the mediocre live acts I have ever seen. Noodles seems alright, but the rest of it was like watching Wheatus in 10 years. *Shudder*

 

I have to say Bad Habit is a guilty pleasure of mine. I liked the Offspring and Green Day well enough before I discovered NOFX, who manage to use the same principles but actually have something resembling a message, and flat-out refuse ridiculous amounts of mainstream attention. And they balance that with fun.

[Guest Anorak]

I somehow doubt NOFX would have a problem if their next album sold 10 million copies. You make them sound like Fugazi with that discription. NOFX's general attitude and ethos as a band is no different to somebody like Green Day. NOFX just have the 'cred' of being non mainstream among fans who think that kind of thing matters. They're the kind of people NOFX laugh at themselves.

[Guest saturnmark4life]

Oh, absolutely. I was just citing them as an example of a fun punk band who actually interest me. Maybe I pushed it a bit far. I don't give a shit what punk is, isn't or was.

[Guest La Parka Es Mi Papa]

I think Americana is easily the worst Offspring album, not that that's saying much, although it does have the only song of their's that I actually enjoy. That being The Kids Aren't Alright.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

I'll agee with it being a weak album. But for mindless rock it's still not bad. And I like "She's Got Issues" best on the album.

[Guest cabbageboy]

This might sound odd given the mainstream acceptance that Americana had, but it's actually an album that needs to be heard a few times in order to warm up to it.

 

This might sound strange but I'd say Offspring have been the most consistent band of the past 10 years. Pretty much everyone else has had a major slump either artistically or commercially.

[Guest La Parka Es Mi Papa]

The Offspring, the most consistent band of the last ten years? No way. That, my friend, is a tie between Pearl Jam and Radiohead.

[Guest Nanks]

Radiohead is nowhere near Pearl Jam in that regard. And I would make the case that they're not quite up with The Offspring either. I think, popularity-wise, Chilli Peppers have shown a lot of staying power over the last decade

[Guest La Parka Es Mi Papa]

Nah, RHCP released One Hot Minute, which was a disaster for them both commercially and critically. Peal Jam and Radiohead, on the other hand, have both maintained pretty much the same level of popularity throughout their whole career. While both are still relatively popular, I haven't heard from The Offspring in years.

[Guest mesepher]

Nah, RHCP released One Hot Minute, which was a disaster for them both commercially and critically.  Peal Jam and Radiohead, on the other hand, have both maintained pretty much the same level of popularity throughout their whole career.  While both are still relatively popular, I haven't heard from The Offspring in years.

Pearl Jam lost its mainstream appeal with the release of their second album, Vs. With every album they released they become more and more noncomercial (although Yield was rather popular). Most POP(ular) music kids AND casual Pearl Jam fans don't even know Binaural nor Riot Act exist. I know people who heard "Last Kiss" and called Pearl Jam a "one hit wonder" thinking that was their only hit single. In fact, it was their highest ranking single.

 

I really wish they would fade into obscurity a bit more these days so that I could see them in small clubs, those stadium deals they are playing this tour are AWFUL!

 

It's been my experience as well that most people don't even know who Radiohead are, or know them for that shitpile, Creep.

 

as more most consistant band of the last ten years who has stayed in the limelight: probably none. Maybe Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers...

[Guest Youth N Asia]

Pearl Jam has been far from consistant lately.

[Guest Anorak]

Nevermind lately, Pearl Jam have been all over the place since 'Vs'. I think they have written some really good songs since then but they're scattered over some very messy albums.

[Guest cabbageboy]

I'll go even further: Pearl Jam has flat out sucked a dick since roughly Vitalogy. If you notice that album sold a huge amount but everything since hasn't...because that CD sucked hard and killed their fanbase. I know I never felt compelled to buy a PJ CD after that one.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

I have Ten through Yield. I heard the one after Yield, but nothing stood out. With the exception of VS (in my opinion) they haven't had great albums from to back.

 

I'm probably going to burn my Pearl Jam and sell of my copies.

[Guest Spaceman Spiff]

I'll go even further:  Pearl Jam has flat out sucked a dick since roughly Vitalogy.  If you notice that album sold a huge amount but everything since hasn't...because that CD sucked hard and killed their fanbase.  I know I never felt compelled to buy a PJ CD after that one.

No, "No Code" did that. Get your facts straight. They do, however, sell out pretty much all of their concerts, so to say they killed their fanbase is a bit much. If anything, the casual fans got weeded out.

 

I'm a huge PJ fan, and I'd probably put "No Code" in as my least favorite, but there's still some good stuff on there.

 

I love "Riot Act".

 

EDIT: "No Code" turned many casual fans off, not "Yield"

Edited June 30, 2003 by Spaceman Spiff

[Guest godthedog]

i'd have to agree that pearl jam's been the most consistent of the last 10 years. while i don't think they've ever been able to make a truly *great* album, i think all their albums up till 'riot act' were good to very good. i can listen to any of those albums and still thoroughly enjoy them. looks like they might be starting a downward slide with 'riot act' though, it's decent but pretty bland.

 

radiohead's been very uneven for me since after 97, not just album-to-album but track-to-track. lots of 'kid a' flat-out bores me.

 

ween, although i think they're the BEST band of the last 10 years, have one stinker to their credit ('12 golden country greats').

[Guest La Parka Es Mi Papa]

I'd say ever since The Bends, Radiohead has been pretty consistent. Kid A and Amnesiac divided their fans, but there are a fair amount that consider them both great, and they both sold fairly well.

[Guest La Parka Es Mi Papa]

And plus, the new album rocks my balls.

[Guest Narcoleptic Jumper]

No Code is one of the best albums of the 90s, IMO.

[Guest godthedog]

i'm a big pearl jam fan, but i wouldn't go THAT far.

 

i'm as big a fan of weird stuff as the next guy, but 'kid A' is just a flat-out boring record to me. nobody has ever satisfactorily explained the greatness of "kid A" and "treefingers" to me.

[Guest JaKyL25]

I'm really not one to be judging music, but since this thread has largely revolved around 3 of my 5 favorite bands (Radiohead, Pearl Jam, Green Day), and also has referenced another top-5er in Weezer, I feel I must say something.

 

I agree that No Code freaking rules. My second-favorite Pearl Jam album after Vs.

 

Personally, while Riot Act isn't as good as their best albums, I'd call it a step back up from Binaural.

 

Honestly, godthedog, I couldn't really explain to you why Kid A rules. It's my favorite album of all time and I don't even really know why, except to say that I feel like I understand the music in some weird subconscious sense that I don't get with most other music, and plus the music just moves my soul more than any other.

 

Though OK Computer and arguably Hail to the Thief are better in a "more well-rounded album" sense, I've just never felt a musical experience quite like Kid A. () by Sigur Ros kind of made an attempt, but fell short.

 

Oddly enough, though The Bends is a distant 4th as far as Radiohead albums go to me, "Fake Plastic Trees" is still my favorite Radiohead song. Maybe it's not so odd, since the Radiohead albums post-Bends seem to be more about experiencing the music as an album in whole instead of individual songs.

 

I agree with those who listed Dookie, Warning, and Kerplunk as the better Green Day albums. Though I love them all except for Nimrod, which I merely really like.