Things in a movie transfer that annoyed you!

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Ok....I know it's happened to all of us. We've been watching a movie transferred from a comic book, video game, or show and you see something that would never happen in what it was transferred from or you hear comments by the director saying stupid shit like HE created the franchise. So what are some of your top moments of annoyance. Here are a few of mine:

 

-Hearing the dumbass director to Spider Man talk about "his vision". I mean this guy didn't know jack shit about Spider Man. I wanted to strangle the fucker! Especially when he was going on about how he didn't think that the Green Goblin would name himself that nor would he run around in tights like Spider Man. HEY DUMBASS YOU DIDN'T CREATE THE SERIES. NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU THINK!

 

-Listening to Peter Jackson go on about how he "didn't think Gandalf should be a wizard that blatantly flashes his wizard powers around" Once again....NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU THINK. YOU DIDN'T WRITE IT.

 

-And the absolute worst. What those idiots at FUNImation did to Dragonball Z. You fuckers. It is not up to you to change the script, come up with new music, and totally mutilate the voices. Hey Sean Schemmel....I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK GOKU SHOULD SOUND LIKE! MASAKO NOWAZA IS THE ONLY TRUE VOICE OF GOKU!

[Guest IDrinkRatsMilk]

Probably all the character derivations in the live action Street Fighter. I liked the Street Fighter characters.

[Guest Nevermortal]

Probably all the character derivations in the live action Street Fighter. I liked the Street Fighter characters.

Hell yeah.

 

E Honda & Balrog as Chun Li's cameramen?

 

Dhalsim as a scientist?

 

WTF?

[Guest Sakura]

Yeah, Street Fighter messed stories up.

 

My problem with hating on that though, is that everyone loved Mortal Kombat The Movie and it was just as bad. Worse yet, Midway actually changed established canon in the games to match the movie.

 

 

Sub-Zero and Scorpion working together with Tsung?

 

Outworld must win 10 in a row?

 

All crap.

[Guest Big McLargeHuge]

Sub-Zero and Scorpion working together with Tsung?

 

Outworld must win 10 in a row?

 

All crap.

Shang Tsung stated when they first appeared on screen that they were 'the deadliest of enemies', as he put it. But they were under his control.

 

The 10 in a row thing doesn't bother me.

 

Neither does Goblin not coining the Green Goblin name for himself, though he does refer to himself as such. It's a stupid name for a supposed bad-ass.

 

How about making Batgirl Alfred's neice in Batman & Robin?

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

The Rainmaker. After reading the book I hate the movie cause the movie cut out half the book and that's not even an exaggeration. They really did cut out half the book.

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

-Hearing the dumbass director to Spider Man talk about "his vision". I mean this guy didn't know jack shit about Spider Man. I wanted to strangle the fucker! Especially when he was going on about how he didn't think that the Green Goblin would name himself that nor would he run around in tights like Spider Man. HEY DUMBASS YOU DIDN'T CREATE THE SERIES. NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU THINK!

You're right. SAM RAIMI didn't create the series. But SAM RAIMI is a huge fan of Spider-Man, made a great movie, and helped make some of the goofier elements (ie. Green Goblin's namesake) become a little more believable. It's called being a director, and not a fanboy.

 

Disrespecting Mr. Super 8 himself, SAM FUCKING RAIMI. Tsk tsk tsk...

[Guest wildpegasus]

Astroboy-Taking the 2nd episode out that explains why Atlas turns out the way he does. I understand why they did it but I'd be lying if I said it doesn't annoy me. Fantastic episode.

 

Anime-There's to much to list here so let's just say there's nothing that's more changed from its original form. There are absolute horror stories out there.

 

Resident Evil-I'm a big fan of the series and when they changed it from Resident Evil like which it was originally going to be to hollywood action like for the masses I just wanted to cry.

[Guest Sakura]

Shang Tsung stated when they first appeared on screen that they were 'the deadliest of enemies', as he put it. But they were under his control.

Yeah, but that doesn't make it ok.

 

Sonya and Cage & Kitana and Liu Kang's romance also came out of no where and were not in the games.

 

Raiden's role as leader of the Earth warriors and them being a grop that fought together was also made up for the movie.

[Guest Renegade]

Every single damn thing about the street fighter movie, I can't think of a single thing that was accurate about that film.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Oh there's plenty of fucked up Anime aside from DBZ. Sailor Moon and Evangelion to name a few. Hell I hate most English dubbed Anime because of the voices. I can't stand them. I love the Japanese VA's so much more.

And I don't care what kind of super fan Sam Raimi was. He shouldn't go on the "well I have a better idea" trip. That's just fucking wrong. You didn't create the series therefore you cannot say what you think is best.

It's like if I created a comic called Bob the Mailman. I turn it into a cartoon and dub it and put it on the air. 20 years later after it's off the air another company picks up the rights and says "we're going to redub it. Now Bob had a voice like this in your series BUT we think he should sound like this. This is Bob's real voice. Oh and I don't think Bob should say these lines, we're going to change Bob's lines. Oh and we're going to make a live action movie. And this story element here here and here is wrong. We like this better so we're going to change it. This is our vision of Bob. This is the real Bob."

See that's what FUNI does with DBZ. They act like they're the only version and they act like there's is best. "Our voice actors and music is the way it should be. Screw what the creator thought. "

[Guest Kid Kablam]

Ok....I know it's happened to all of us. We've been watching a movie transferred from a comic book, video game, or show and you see something that would never happen in what it was transferred from or you hear comments by the director saying stupid shit like HE created the franchise. So what are some of your top moments of annoyance. Here are a few of mine:

 

-Hearing the dumbass director to Spider Man talk about "his vision". I mean this guy didn't know jack shit about Spider Man. I wanted to strangle the fucker! Especially when he was going on about how he didn't think that the Green Goblin would name himself that nor would he run around in tights like Spider Man. HEY DUMBASS YOU DIDN'T CREATE THE SERIES. NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU THINK!

 

-Listening to Peter Jackson go on about how he "didn't think Gandalf should be a wizard that blatantly flashes his wizard powers around" Once again....NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU THINK. YOU DIDN'T WRITE IT.

 

-And the absolute worst. What those idiots at FUNImation did to Dragonball Z. You fuckers. It is not up to you to change the script, come up with new music, and totally mutilate the voices. Hey Sean Schemmel....I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK GOKU SHOULD SOUND LIKE! MASAKO NOWAZA IS THE ONLY TRUE VOICE OF GOKU!

The director's job is to help move the story from its source material to the screen, as a result the director must use his feelings and know how to make certain decisions that may or may not sit well with the hardcore fans. That's the way it is. Also, just because a director didn't write the original source material doesn't mean that he has no business in altering the source material. As hard as it is for you to believe, maybe the source material didn't get it right the first time. Every art work has its flaws, and as a result all artwork can use a second voice.

[Guest godthedog]

directors have to take creative license when adapting anything, because what works in a book or in a comic book simply doesn't work on the screen. the director may be adapting the ideas of someone else, but he is ultimately the author of the movie and is responsible for what works and what doesn't. the idea that peter parker could find a way to build something that shoots webs works fine in a comic book, but it would make movie audiences go "what the fuck?" sam raimi's ultimate responsibility was to make the best movie he could possibly make.

 

while we're at it, let's bash coppola. he took liberties when he made 'the godfather', didn't he? who cares how good the movie was, nobody gives a fuck what he thinks and he should've been completely faithful to the book.

[The Dames 0]

Sadly, I have a friend who thinks that EVERYTHING in the comics should be translated to film or it's pure crap.

 

He hates Spiderman for the Gwen Stacy and web shooters. He's guaranteed to hate the anticipated Spiderman movie featuring Venom and the black Spidey suit since he finds it on the moon...and you just KNOW that a director will (and rightfully so) use creative license on that. His attitude annoys me so much.

 

I don't dare see The Hulk with him.

 

Dames

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Well it is annoying. It's like they're saying "Hey creator. While this is your creation and you can say whatever the hell you want goes in it because well it is YOUR CREATION I've decided that my vision is better. Now even though I didn't create it I think that I would do a better job with the story. Even though it isn't my creation and I don't know what was running through your head when it was created."

That's the thing. You can't tell the creator that he was wrong. Because he created the fucking thing therefore whatever he says about it is CORRECT.

[The Dames 0]

It's not about who's vision is BETTER, it's about what translate to a broad audience in a way that doesn't stretch the boundaries of human belief.

 

If you analyze most of the comics and cartoons out there, there are TONS of things that if made to a movie, people would just see and go "oh PUH-LEEZE" because it just seems so unrealistic.

 

Dames

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

So what!? I don't care if it's changed to appeal. What I hate is when the director takes this Holier than Thou "My vision is best" attitude.

And that's what I saw Sam Raimi doing in this interview.

[The Dames 0]

Ok, so just to clarify here, the fact that they changed certain things doesn't bother you. The fact that they boast about what they did being better than the source material does.

 

Am I right or is there more to it?

 

Dames

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Well some changes annoy me. But sometimes I can forgive them.

Like I could forgive the changes in Spider-Man. However they became unforgiveable whenever Sam Raimi came along with his "i'm better than the creator" attitude.

So yes I don't mind some changes but the attitude that there's is better does annoy me.

 

And no change in DBZ will ever be forgiven. That's where my annoyance with changing began.

[Guest Kid Kablam]

Ok, so just to clarify here, the fact that they changed certain things doesn't bother you. The fact that they boast about what they did being better than the source material does.

 

Am I right or is there more to it?

 

Dames

I think that is indeed what he is saying. It's true, sometimes a director can become too egotistical and as aresult begin crapping on the source material. But my point earlier, though I failed to state it very coherently, was that sometimes things aren't quite right in the source material, and a director, to mantain his vision, must make some changes. It's a tricky situation, and it requires a reverence for the source material's spirit tempered by the ability to look at the source material with objectivity. Now, sometimes the reverence is lost, and the director begin to bask in his creative powers, and as a result he makes changes when they aren't vecessary, obviously, this is bad. And I can understand that you felt Sam Raimi had crossed the line into arogance. That's a valid charge, and I will have to listen to the commentary myself to form my own opinion.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

I didn't hear it in the commentary. I read it in an interview in Wizard magazine. He was going on about how he "didn't think that they should do this" and that "he didn't think it should be this way" he came across as very arrogant and egotistical.

[Guest Ripper]

Plus comics have HUNDREDS of books to build to certain points...The movie has a few hours.

 

I was SOOO glad that they didn't have Peter Parker make the web shooters. I love the old comic and even I would have been like "Aw, come OOnn."

 

And unless they are going to do a crossover movie with the X-Men, Hulk and basically every other Marvel Hero, you would never get the Venom story line.

 

If you are upset about the directors attitude then fine. But things HAVE to be changed sometimes.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

But man you just made me think....a Secret Wars movie......that would kick ass.

[Guest Youth N Asia]

An Evening With Kevin Smith...funny DVD where he fields questions from college students. There's a story about him writing the new Superman movie. And when he was talking it over with the major producer that guy had 3 conditions. 1) No flying 2) no costume 3) Superman must battle a giant spider.

 

Smith didn't get to write the movie...but that same producer produced Wild Wild West...which had a deal with a huge spider

[The Dames 0]

I have to disagree with Damaramu about Peter Jackson, however. After watching the oodles of extras on the LOTR DVD, it's very clear that has the utmost respect for J.R.R. Tolkien, even going as far as naming the film "J.R.R. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings" and not "Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings".

 

Considering that the source is a fantasy book, it IS up to him on how to translate the material onto film. Not everything can be done to perfection and LOTR wasn't even a possibility as a live action film until the emergence of CGI, so I say kudos to Peter Jackson.

 

If he says "I think this translates better to an audience", that's not the same as saying "I think this is 100% better than the book."

 

Dames

[The Dames 0]

And unless they are going to do a crossover movie with the X-Men, Hulk and basically every other Marvel Hero, you would never get the Venom story line.

I don't know...that's the one storyline that most fans want to see in a live action film. They even alluded to Eddie Brock in the first film. I'm not saying that it's inevitable, but I think there's a high demand for it and the studio will try to milk it.

 

Personally, I think CGI has advanced to the point that they can make Venom and the morphing into the suit look pretty damn good. As long as they can cast the part of Eddie Brock properly and rewrite the story a bit, I don't see a problem with it.

 

Just to clarify, they'll have to rewrite the story unless they 1. Want Peter Parker going to the moon. 2. Have Parker wearing the black suit for an entire movie, which probably wouldn't work.

 

Dames

[The Dames 0]

An Evening With Kevin Smith...funny DVD where he fields questions from college students. There's a story about him writing the new Superman movie. And when he was talking it over with the major producer that guy had 3 conditions. 1) No flying 2) no costume 3) Superman must battle a giant spider.

 

Smith didn't get to write the movie...but that same producer produced Wild Wild West...which had a deal with a huge spider

You're talking about Jon Peters. The same guy who produced Batman.

 

Sadly, the Superman movie will never be made because this idiot is in charge. Brett Ratner quit because of him and almost got into a fist fight with him over all of his ridiculous requests.

 

If I EVER see Brainiac fighting Polar Bear guards at the Fortress of Solitude, I WILL walk out.

 

How in the WORLD could Warner Brothers give this franchise to a guy who didn't know what the fuck Krypton was!

 

Dames

[Guest Ripper]

And unless they are going to do a crossover movie with the X-Men, Hulk and basically every other Marvel Hero, you would never get the Venom story line. 

I don't know...that's the one storyline that most fans want to see in a live action film. They even alluded to Eddie Brock in the first film. I'm not saying that it's inevitable, but I think there's a high demand for it and the studio will try to milk it.

 

Personally, I think CGI has advanced to the point that they can make Venom and the morphing into the suit look pretty damn good. As long as they can cast the part of Eddie Brock properly and rewrite the story a bit, I don't see a problem with it.

 

Just to clarify, they'll have to rewrite the story unless they 1. Want Peter Parker going to the moon. 2. Have Parker wearing the black suit for an entire movie, which probably wouldn't work.

 

Dames

Oh, no, what I was saying is that if they don't stray away from the comics, they'd have to do the ENTIRE Secret Wars thing to get to Venom...and that can't happen so if you want directors and writers to stick to the source material, you won't get great stories.

 

I WANT Venom and Carnage following up a couple of movies later.

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

I want Venom, but not Carnage. To TRULY do justice for Carnage, you'd need an R rating.

 

Sam Raimi > Stan Lee. I'm sorry, Dam, but it's true. Raimi knows how to tell stories better, I feel, and can truly get the best situation possible, on-screen of course, out of a lack of materials. Ever heard of the Evil Dead trilogy? All Raimi, man. ALL RAIMI. The guy's a movie genius.

 

The only change I actually saw as something that really mattered, something drastic, was the web-shooters. Remember, he DIDN'T get the girl, so Gwen is still a possibility for sequels.

[The Dames 0]

I want Venom, but not Carnage. To TRULY do justice for Carnage, you'd need an R rating.

 

The only change I actually saw as something that really mattered, something drastic, was the web-shooters. Remember, he DIDN'T get the girl, so Gwen is still a possibility for sequels.

On an R-Rating for Carnage, agreed.

 

As for Gwen Stacy in sequels as Parkers girlfriend, the Spidey movies would get shitted on even MORE because that should have happened FIRST (and people would want to know why that wasn't done in the first movie if they were going to bring the character in anyway) and Green Goblin is dead, so they'd have to REALLY rewrite what happens.

 

Dames