Guest JericholicEdgeHead Report post Posted June 20, 2003 "By that you mean: Does anyone remember a time they just enjoyed watching wrestling and didn't think about it?" Yeah I guess. I'm very critical about the WWe product, but I saw the Benoit vs. Rhyno match as a change of pace. An actual wrestling match that didn't have to involve a run-in, tables, chairs, hot looking diva's at ringside, ect. Who care's if it wasn't the best match of Benoit's or Rhyno's career. We got a wrestling match on free TV that was given more time than the usual standard 3-4 minutes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted June 20, 2003 While I do appreciate the longer-matches, I still _do_ care about the quality of it. I didn't find anything wrong with Benoit/Rhyno aside from 2 things (in terms of just the match; 5 things if you count the set-up) but had that been a true stinker, just cause it was long doesn't mean I, or anyone else, shouldn't complain about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JericholicEdgeHead Report post Posted June 20, 2003 Now they pick apart threads. Ok it wasn't "FREE TV". But I didn't have to spend $35.00 or rent a video to watch it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Raven_Effect01 Report post Posted June 20, 2003 We got a wrestling match on free TV that was given more time than the usual standard 3-4 minutes. So? Just because a match is long doesn't always mean it's considered good. Would you say that a Big Show vs. Undertaker match that went 10-15 minutes on TV was good? I thought not, same thing with Benoit vs. Rhyno. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted June 21, 2003 One to say this match sucked is unfair, they were solid through out, just really weren't doing anything special... And I don't mean table spot special, because thats not special, I mean from ok=good special. Something that takes a match from ok, watchable, not bad, to good, great and awesome. Both of them being faces and working a heel/face match was a big problem, especially when you have Rhyno(dare I say DULL AS SHIT) playing the heel. Another problem was the time, this match seemed like it should of never passed 7 minutes, either both were tired as hell or they just didn't realize they were gonna be out there that long, because it looked like every chance they had they slowed it down or took a rest. Benoit hitting the head BUTT after being worked on should really never be a problem....as long as he sells it right, which I don't think he did. It's his job to work through and hit his move, thats what everyone does, if everyone was scrutinized for semi-no selling to hit a signature there has never and will never be a 4+ in the WWE. It's just how it goes, except they should of had him really sell it if there gonna put emphasis on the head and neck work by Rhyno, which they did to an extent. Not bad, the only reason its getting this much talk is because it was a long match that was worked like it was seven minutes. All they had to do is throw in three more spots, one with a weapon and people would be shouting match of the year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wildpegasus Report post Posted June 21, 2003 The Mighty Damaramu "Wow, did you misinterpet may comment" No I didn't. You implied Benoit was staying in the chinlocks for the fun of it. I also replied to what I thought you meant about Benoit being mentally lazy in the ring. Also,I'm sorry about the comment about asking if you ever did any physical activity. Your post came off as bashing Benoit for his effort and I reacted harshly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Mighty Damaramu Report post Posted June 21, 2003 No I'm saying that Benoit just isn't trying anymore. He probably stayed in the chinlocks because he really didn't have anything better to do. Everything he does is overlooked. That's why I'm saying he's not trying anymore. Why should he try? I mean why bust out your best performance when it'll be overlooked? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wildpegasus Report post Posted June 21, 2003 "He probably stayed in the chinlocks because he really didn't have anything better to do." See, this is where I disagree. This was the part of the match where the heel played by Rhyno here beats up/wears down the face before the almost always inevitable comeback. Rhyno decided to use the chinlock. That was Rhyno's desicion and not Benoit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted June 21, 2003 Benoit's workin like Lyger does: "You set the pace, don't worry, I'll keep up." Now as for Rhynos mentality, I think he's just trying to work the "old school style" that Management wants their wrestlers to work... you know, "tell a story" and crap like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
King Cucaracha 0 Report post Posted June 21, 2003 No I'm saying that Benoit just isn't trying anymore. He probably stayed in the chinlocks because he really didn't have anything better to do. Everything he does is overlooked. That's why I'm saying he's not trying anymore. Why should he try? I mean why bust out your best performance when it'll be overlooked? Well if he's not trying, he'd deserve to be wallowing away in the upper mid card rather than being a World Title contender...if he's not trying then he deserves to be dropped to Velocity. Benoit or not, if the guy's not trying then he's a liability. Other than that, I don't have a clue what you're trying to say, cause you've said the damn near same thing three or four times now, and when anybody responds you say that not what you meant. As far as the match goes, it put Benoit and Rhyno in bad positions. Rhyno is a power wrestler who works better on faster paced matches. Benoit is a submission wrestler, but can work at a fast pace too. So if you're booking the match smart, you'd go with fast pace surely. There were no heel/face distinctions, so why not have Benoit work on Rhyno's neck. Use some innovative submissiones, Rhyno comes back into the match with the power moves, the two go back and forth hitting their big moves, the fans get into it and we get a better match up. It's not rocket science, yet the WWE are still getting simple stuff like this wrong with certain matches, or just ignoring it. Forget 'telling a story' every match if the match sucks. They need to teach the guys to play to each others strengths. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Mighty Damaramu Report post Posted June 21, 2003 Yes.....because Kevin Nash who doesn't try either deserves to be in the world title picture. Look Benoit not trying is better than most of the roster. Ok this is exactly what I meant. It's not that he wasn't physically trying. It was that mentally he didn't try to put together a good match. He decided to go with whatever Rhyno wanted to do...no matter how horrid...and then just used his crowd popping moves otherwise. But he still had his intensity and explosiveness. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
