The official Wrestler X is being held down thread

[Lil' Bitch 0]

If he's a main event guy, why has he been in the main event match only twice in a whole year - WM 18 and the Elimination Chamber - in which he was the Kliq's job-boy each time?

 

 

You can thank Vince/HHH/creative team for that. When will the HHH madness stop? Until it does, my signature says it all.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Taker had the best title reign - he was the only one booked, you know, strong.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

^ That may be true, but fuck that. lol

[Bored 0]

I am sick and tired of the Kurt Angle martyrdom. I think Angle, when you combine in ring and mic skills, is the best performer in the WWE currently. But this Angle is mistreated crap has gone far enough. I got no problem with arguing that Angle’s first two title reigns are tainted but the fact is he still was world champion. I also agree with many points on how Angle is portrayed but not a main eventer? You have to be fuckin’ kidding me.

 

I think Jericho and Benoit fans have 10 times more reason to complain about the treatment of them rather than Kurt Angle. Do you all realize that when Angle wins the WWE Title next month at Vengeance or in August at SummerSlam that he will have the same number world titles (not counting HHH’s bogus belt) as the Undertaker? Hmmm wasn't he a main event guy or is four world titles not enough to be considered a main event player? Hell just the simple fact it's almost a forgone conclusion that Angle will have the WWE Title once again the next month or two I think makes him a main eventer but what do I know? After that the only wrestlers that will have more WWE/WWF World Titles will be the three biggest draws in the company history (Hulk Hogan, Steve Austin, The Rock), the sacred son of the IWC (Bret Hart), and the guy who fucks the bosses daughter (Triple H). Barring another neck injury Angle’s 4th title reign will likely not be his last and last year will likely not be his last WrestleMania main event.

 

If Kurt Angle isn’t a main eventer…THEN WHO THE FUCK IS?????

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Let's just say this.

 

HHH vs. Rock

HHH vs. Austin

Austin vs. Rock

 

Ok, who's going to win?

 

HHH vs. Angle

Rock vs. Angle

Austin vs. Angle

 

Ok, who's going to win?

 

Angle has a better shot than Benoit and Jericho, and is around Taker level (though I'd put Taker above him depending on what side of the bed Vince woke up on that day) Brock is above Angle also, but not fully established. One more year of consistent high-card feuds and he's set.

 

Angle goes to the midcard too often to be considered Main Event level.

[Guest Anglesault]

I am sick and tired of the Kurt Angle martyrdom. I think Angle, when you combine in ring and mic skills, is the best performer in the WWE currently. But this Angle is mistreated crap has gone far enough. I got no problem with arguing that Angle’s first two title reigns are tainted but the fact is he still was world champion.

So is Vince McMahon

 

Let's just say this.

 

HHH vs. Rock

HHH vs. Austin

Austin vs. Rock

 

Ok, who's going to win?

 

HHH vs. Angle

Rock vs. Angle

Austin vs. Angle

 

EXACTLY. Use the mark test. Those three against each other, toss up. Angle against one of them, total under dog.

[Guest Anglesault]

Angle has a better shot than Benoit and Jericho, and is around Taker level

Although, Rick,

 

Taker vs. Angle

 

Who wins?

[Guest HartFan86]

I think the moment Jericho jobbed clean to John Cena on a PPV was when he went from a Main Eventer to below that.

[Guest UndertakerHart]

 

Angle has a better shot than Benoit and Jericho, and is around Taker level

Although, Rick,

 

Taker vs. Angle

 

Who wins?

Angle by cheating. Remember Survior Series? Also remember that Smackdown episode where Angle and Taker tapped out at the same time.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

I think the moment Jericho jobbed clean to John Cena on a PPV was when he went from a Main Eventer to below that.

 

It was a big stepping stone for Cena, he also had a great match with Angle.

[Guest Anglesault]

 

Angle has a better shot than Benoit and Jericho, and is around Taker level

Although, Rick,

 

Taker vs. Angle

 

Who wins?

Angle by cheating. Remember Survior Series?

That didn't make Angle look like he could take Taker.

 

Also remember that Smackdown episode where Angle and Taker tapped out at the same time.

 

Which was mentioned for oh, two weeks before Angle went back into the midcard for six months.

 

It was a big stepping stone for Cena,

 

yeah, he skyrocketed after that.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Taker vs. Angle

 

Who wins?

 

Taker Vs. Angle - Fully Loaded 2000 - Taker won

 

Taker Vs. Angle - Survivor Series 2000 - Angle won

 

Taker Vs. Angle - SD (July 4, 2002) - Draw

 

 

Taker - 1, Angle 1

[Guest Anglesault]

Taker Vs. Angle - Survivor Series 2000 - Angle won

He really looked like Taker's equal there!

 

Again.

 

Would HHH have to do that?

 

Would Austin have to do that?

 

Would Rock have to do that?

 

No, Fuck no, and no.

[Bored 0]

Let's just say this.

 

HHH vs. Rock

HHH vs. Austin

Austin vs. Rock

 

Ok, who's going to win?

 

HHH vs. Angle

Rock vs. Angle

Austin vs. Angle

 

EXACTLY. Use the mark test. Those three against each other, toss up. Angle against one of them, total under dog.

First off Angle is not the draw that Rock or Austin were and odds are he never will be. But odds are no one in the near future will reach the level of those two in terms of drawing power with the current state of the product, and no its not Angle's fault if never reaches that level of drawing power. So I think its an unfair comparison as even people who never watch wrestling have probably heard of Rock, Stone Cold, and Hulk Hogan. Kurt Angle is not on that level but those are guys who transcended the sport and obviously that is very hard to do so.

 

Now in the case of Triple H everything he does is tainted. Everything he has accomplished post-quad injury has an asterisk next to it because it no longer has to do with in-ring ability, which has obviously decreased, and he doesn't have Rock or Austin to feed off and be a perceived as a big draw. As long as Triple H is fucking Stephanie no one will be built as strong as he is. Not Kurt Angle, not even Brock Lesnar and, not Randy Orton in his upcoming blow job push. If Orton's push is successful and he becomes a draw we all know who will be the first to cut him off at the legs. Now getting off the subject a little there but what you also have to remember is as much as HHH has been pushed I don't think he's a known commodity in the American popular culture like Hogan, Austin, and Rock and never will be.

 

I just have a problem with, essentially putting down what Angle has accomplished and saying that you guys think he isn't a main eventer which is just absured IMO. He isn't Hogan, Austin, or Rock and probably never will be. But he also isn't a guy like Benoit who has never been given the chance and he isn't a guy like Jericho who was cut off at the legs over someone's own personal agenda. Angle is well over with the marks and has been for quite sometime and is a main event performer now and will be (barring health) for years to come and how about just being happy about it? There are plenty of other things that deserve to be bitched about rather than this.

 

Angle just better never grow his hair long.

 

Edit: Oh and postscrpit...fuck Undertaker. He was never the draw the Big Three ever were and now he's just an old man clinging to his spot refusing to put over anyone over strong that he doesn't perceive as paying their dues and has been doing that for three years now. Undertaker is so insignifcant now and its not even funny.

[Guest Anglesault]

Let's just say this.

 

HHH vs. Rock

HHH vs. Austin

Austin vs. Rock

 

Ok, who's going to win?

 

HHH vs. Angle

Rock vs. Angle

Austin vs. Angle

 

EXACTLY. Use the mark test. Those three against each other, toss up. Angle against one of them, total under dog.

First off Angle is not the draw that Rock or Austin were and odds are he never will be. But odds are no one in the near future will reach the level of those two in terms of drawing power with the current state of the product, and no its not Angle's fault if never reaches that level of drawing power. So I think its an unfair comparison as even people who never watch wrestling have probably heard of Rock, Stone Cold, and Hulk Hogan. Kurt Angle is not on that level but those are guys who transcended the sport and obviously that is very hard to do so.

 

Now in the case of Triple H everything he does is tainted. Everything he has accomplished post-quad injury has an asterisk next to it because it no longer has to do with in-ring ability, which has obviously decreased, and he doesn't have Rock or Austin to feed off and be a perceived as a big draw. As long as Triple H is fucking Stephanie no one will be built as strong as he is. Not Kurt Angle, not even Brock Lesnar and, not Randy Orton in his upcoming blow job push. If Orton's push is successful and he becomes a draw we all know who will be the first to cut him off at the legs. Now getting off the subject a little there but what you also have to remember is as much as HHH has been pushed I don't think he's a known commodity in the American popular culture like Hogan, Austin, and Rock and never will be.

 

I just have a problem with, essentially putting down what Angle has accomplished and saying that you guys think he isn't a main eventer which is just absured IMO. He isn't Hogan, Austin, or Rock and probably never will be. But he also isn't a guy like Benoit who has never been given the chance and he isn't a guy like Jericho who was cut off at the legs over someone's own personal agenda. Angle is well over with the marks and has been for quite sometime and is a main event performer now and will be (barring health) for years to come and how about just being happy about it? There are plenty of other things that deserve to be bitched about rather than this.

 

Angle just better never grow his hair long.

I fail to see how any of that changes the fact that he's still a tier lower than the main eventers of the company.

 

You just admitted that, for whatever reason, the big guys in the company are all on a higher echelon than Angle right now.

And anyone that spends 6 months plus in the midcard every year sure as fuck aint a main eventer.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

Would HHH have to do that?

HHH would have to use a sledgehammer to the head.

[Guest DarkHollywood]

I noticed in the topic it says blame HHH, Hogan and Bischoff.

 

Since returning to WWE how has HOGAN Held anyone back? Hell, he never even beat Angle (by pin) and tapped out to him at KOTR in the middle of the ring.

 

He put over Brock Lesnar (wanted to win the rematch but no dice but Brock is STILL the champion)

 

He made Jericho look good and only beat him thanks to a Triple H distraction.

 

He jobbed clean to The Rock at Wrestlemania.

 

He ended Triple H's title reign.

 

and BISCHOFF?!?!?!

 

Hes gotten SHIT on since he debuted in WWE. How has he held anyone down in WWE?

[Guest ShooterJay]

Here's what I've never figured out about HHH. Why bury people at all?

 

More built up opponents (more MEers) =more marquee PPV matchups= more $$$$

 

So you'd figure it would be in his best interests NOT to bury people.

[Guest Anglesault]

Would HHH have to do that?

HHH would have to use a sledgehammer to the head.

Then wait a minute, pedigree him, wait a minute, and pin him

 

Alot different that frigging Doink.

[Bored 0]

I fail to see how any of that changes the fact that he's still a tier lower than the main eventers of the company.

 

You just admitted that, for whatever reason, the big guys in the company are all on a higher echelon than Angle right now.

And anyone that spends 6 months plus in the midcard every year sure as fuck aint a main eventer.

No in your mind he isn't a main eventer but in my mind and many others he is so get over yourself. Also the guys I mentioned the current place now is this:

 

Austin - a cripple playing another tired authority role and might never wrestle again.

 

Rock - a part time wrestler who is no longer a consistent fixture in the main event scene with his frequent abscence.

 

Hogan - might as well be considered a part time wrestler since he hardly ever does, stuck in primarily a comedy angle and no longer a serious threat to the world title.

 

Undertaker - has been a midcarder all year and doesn't appear to be leaving it anytime soon.

 

Triple H - the soon to be son-in-law to Vince McMahon and holding everyone else hostage in the process and nothing really can be done about it unfortunently.

 

Kurt Angle - guarenteed the main event spot at Vengeance and likely the main event spot at SummerSlam. Will likely be holding the #1 belt in the company for a 4th time in a month or two.

[Guest Anglesault]

Kurt Angle - guarenteed the main event spot at Vengeance and likely the main event spot at SummerSlam. Will likely be holding the #1 belt in the company for a 4th time in a month or two.

Gurantee that when he loses it, he won't become instantly embroiled in a midcard feud.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

*Gives Anglesault an image of Kurt Angle and Mr. America becoming a tag team.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

All the Angle/Taker matches have been heel vs. face - if Angle were a face it would be close - I'd still give the edge to Taker.

 

Main Event

Austin

Rock

HHH

 

-------Brock

 

Featured Match-up

 

Hogan

Taker

Goldberg

HBK

Nash

 

-------Angle

 

Upper Card

 

Benoit

Jericho

Booker

Kane

Rey

Big Show

 

-------RVD

 

Mid-Card

 

Test

Hurricane

Matt

Cena

Christian

Steiner

Orton

Atrain

Eddie

Rhyno

Haas

Benjamin

Rikishi

O'haire

 

Lower Card

 

Goldust

Storm

...ah fuck it, "everyone else"

[Guest fazzle]

Well, yeah, sure, I guess Wrestler X is being held down, but I'm POSITIVE he'll beat Speed Racer next time.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Austin

Rock

 

Austin can't wrestle anymore and Rock is too busy making movies, granted Rock is still a main eventer, but he'll only wrestle on PPVs like HBK. So you got to have somebody replace Austin and replace the Rock while he's absent

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Which means HHH is the only real Main Eventer in the company...

 

Gee, who'da thunk it?

[Lil' Bitch 0]

yeah, he skyrocketed after that.

 

Hey, he got to be Smackdown's main event @ Backlash, didn't he?

[Guest Anglesault]

yeah, he skyrocketed after that.

 

Hey, he got to be Smackdown's main event @ Backlash, didn't he?

Something like NINE MONTHS AFTER THAT.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Main Event

Austin

Rock

HHH

 

-------Brock

 

Featured Match-up

 

Hogan

Taker

Goldberg

HBK

Nash

 

-------Angle

 

Upper Card

 

Benoit

Jericho

Booker

Kane

Rey

Big Show

 

-------RVD

 

Mid-Card

 

Test

Hurricane

Matt

Cena

Christian

Steiner

Orton

Atrain

Eddie

Rhyno

Haas

Benjamin

Rikishi

O'haire

 

Lower Card

 

Goldust

Storm

...ah fuck it, "everyone else"

 

Where does Edge fit in all this? I'm guessing Upper / Middle Card?

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Yeah, or where RVD is.