Clarification on the racism/sexism ban

[Guest Anglesault]

The past is the past.

 

In the present, people shouldn't publically call for equal treatment while seeking preferential treatment.

[Guest El Satanico]

I demand representation!

 

Honestly I don't care what people call me or if they use ethnic slurs on me, my skin is thick enough to take it.

 

However some groups shouldn't get special treatment in regards to insults while nothing is done about another group in regards to insults.

 

Do the irish and other mainly caucasion ethnic groups not deserve the same rules as black people and spanish people? What about the Asians?

 

You can't pick and choose the groups you want to "defend".

[Guest goodhelmet]

el satanico, if your message is directed at me, i am not defending any group of people or intentionally singling out any minority as i deem fit, hence the "etc.".

 

as for the other caucasian ethnic groups you speak of, only those from south and east europe apply.

[Guest HungryJack]

what the hell do you mean, only south and eatern europe???

 

do you not think there are slurs for those who reside in the UK, France, Germany, etc.?

 

I mean, if I'm Irish, I don't want fuckoffs callin' me a mick, a paddy or whateevr. Fuck that shit. Slurs aren't cool.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

Quiet, you coal-cracking narrow-backed bog-trotting pogue.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

*Extra credit for anyone who can tell the class the origins of all those terms.

[Guest goodhelmet]

what the hell do you mean, only south and eatern europe???

 

do you not think there are slurs for those who reside in the UK, France, Germany, etc.?

 

I mean, if I'm Irish, I don't want fuckoffs callin' me a mick, a paddy or whateevr. Fuck that shit. Slurs aren't cool.

i guess i should put a big ole whopping SARCASM next to any of my statements...

 

if you knew your history, most of the racism facing europeans from americans was directed to the immigrants coming from south and east europe (the baltics, italy, germany, etc.). and yes, irish immigrants were also discriminated against since they were considered to be lazy, drunk and irrational. plus they speak wierd.

[Guest Cancer Marney]

One of the funniest things I've ever heard (in the whole racial slur origin context) was that Irish people used to call blacks "nagurs" because they couldn't pronounce "niggers."

[Guest Spicy McHaggis]

I mean, if I'm Irish, I don't want fuckoffs callin' me a mick, a paddy or whateevr. Fuck that shit. Slurs aren't cool.

Shut up potato-head. Heya paddy... go get me another pint ya drunk ass mick.

 

and yes, irish immigrants were also discriminated against since they were considered to be lazy, drunk and irrational. plus they speak wierd.

Not to mention the fact that they were valued less than slaves.

[Guest mach7]

I don't think "cracker" is on the same level as "nigger" or "spic." It just sounds really silly whenever it's said, even if someone means it to be as hateful as it possibly can. I just picture Chris Rock saying, "Cracka-ass cracka!" and I just can't take the "insult" seriously.

That's your opinion, though.

 

What about "honkey"?

 

Or.. I'm Irish. What if someone calls me a "mick"? That's the same thing as calling Spanish people "spic's"...

 

I think what Anglesault is trying to say is, is that if you're going to have all of these rules... then you have to go ALL THE WAY. No one deserves preferential treatment when it comes to the banning of racial slurs.

 

On the subject of this "offensive term" bullshit. If a male poster calls a female poster a "cunt" and it qualifies... then when a female poster calls a male poster a "cock" it should qualify as well. Or maybe then someone will realize how fucking stupid this little ammendment to the rules is and do away with it.

[Guest Big McLargeHuge]

As a Hispanic male, I really can't tell you why the word 'spic' should never be spoken. But I do know that I'd be very uneasy if I were referred as such. Or rather, so mad I'd want to stab whoever called me that and run over their bleeding carcass about 10 times with my car. It's just not something you want to here.

 

I always thought cracker/honkey had more comical connotations. If I wanted to offend a caucasian person, the last thing I'd call them is a cracker. There really isn't a term to dehumanize a white person. At least not on the level of nigger and spic.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

You know, last time I checked, there weren't any raving racist psychotics on the board who would go out of their way to say, for instance, call Dames a dirty wetback or anything. (An example, of course, in case any mods feel trigger happy.)

 

So in that sense, isn't it kind of an unnecessary rule? I'd figure the racism shit would fall under "trolling".

[Guest saturnmark4life]

I'm sure it'll be pretty obvious in each situation whether one of these terms is used in an offensive fashion or not, and if whoever they are directed against takes offense then action should be taken, perhaps a warning first time if offense wasn't intended, but then they're walking very thin ice after that.

[Guest mach7]

As a Hispanic male, I really can't tell you why the word 'spic' should never be spoken. But I do know that I'd be very uneasy if I were referred as such. Or rather, so mad I'd want to stab whoever called me that and run over their bleeding carcass about 10 times with my car. It's just not something you want to here.

 

I always thought cracker/honkey had more comical connotations. If I wanted to offend a caucasian person, the last thing I'd call them is a cracker. There really isn't a term to dehumanize a white person. At least not on the level of nigger and spic.

..yes I agree with you 100%. And as an Irish male, I'd feel the exact same way if someone were to call me a "dirty mick" or something similar. That sounds pretty dehumanizing in my opinion.

[Guest Plushy Al Logan]

What about all of the stuff I said about my own ethnicity?

[The Dames 0]

Honestly, if those rules were in place then, I probably would have banned you cuz you pissed me off THAT much. Think about it...just because you're of the same race doesn't mean that you won't insult someone of the same race with your comments.

 

Dames

[Guest Ripper]

I still hold on to my beliefs that no one on this board has ever called another person cracker or honkey. A few of the posters have been on this "Minorities can get away with this and that" crap lately and someone just wanted to bitch and moan.

 

I think that racism is fine to a certain degree. You can be as ignorant as you want. You can think what you want. Using it to insult another person is crossing the line and should get you banned though. I know there have been conversations in the CE folder that people have stated their opinion and it could be considered racist as they attached stereotype beliefs to certain people, but it was in the context of the conversation and I don't feel it was done in malice, so I don't complain.

[Guest Renegade]

What about all of the stuff I said about my own ethnicity?

Then you are just plain out weird.

[Guest MrRant]

I don't think saying why you don't like your race is grounds for banning. That would be childish on Dames part.

 

 

However, it is his board so........

[Guest Ripper]

No, no, he spewed off a long list of racist comments and said "I can say this because I am part hispanic" and cursed the hispanic blood in his veins. Read the thread before saying that Dames would have been childish in the banning.

[Guest MrRant]

You aren't allowed to hate certain parts of you anymore?

[Guest kkktookmybabyaway]

Hell, I've hated certain parts of me all my life...

[Guest nl5xsk1]

I don't mean to sound sarcastic, but if a folder is called "No Holds Barred" then ANYTHING should be allowed. To say that racism/sexism/whatever-ism is banned makes the title inaccurate. If you go into a folder called "No Holds Barred" you should know what you're getting into, and understand that you might be offended by someone's comment.

 

 

Ok, now I mean to sound sarcastic: Perhaps it should be called "Most Holds Barred".

[Guest goodhelmet]

the folder is called no holds barred as a wrestling reference. it does not mean that anything goes.

[Guest JHawk]

the folder is called no holds barred as a wrestling reference. it does not mean that anything goes.

But that's what "no holds barred" means. Anything goes. This isn't WCW where all those "no DQ" Raven's Rules matches ended in DQs.

 

Right?

[Guest goodhelmet]

personally, i thought it was a reference to the abortion of a hulk hogan movie where you display the worst possible abilities of said characters.

 

in wrestling, we have no holds barred to remind us of shitty quality. at tsm, we have the no holds abrred folder.

 

but in reality, if that were the case, then we should allow trolling and everything else that is against the rules. that isn't the point. it was a reference that aid something other than "flaming" or "bitching" but people took it too literally.

[Guest TheGame2705]

personally, i thought it was a reference to the abortion of a hulk hogan movie where you display the worst possible abilities of said characters.

 

in wrestling, we have no holds barred to remind us of shitty quality. at tsm, we have the no holds abrred folder.

 

but in reality, if that were the case, then we should allow trolling and everything else that is against the rules. that isn't the point. it was a reference that aid something other than "flaming" or "bitching" but people took it too literally.

I think most people didn't come onto to the TSM forums looking to find the deeper meaning of anything but matches.

[Guest nl5xsk1]

personally, i thought it was a reference to the abortion of a hulk hogan movie where you display the worst possible abilities of said characters.

 

in wrestling, we have no holds barred to remind us of shitty quality. at tsm, we have the no holds abrred folder.

 

but in reality, if that were the case, then we should allow trolling and everything else that is against the rules. that isn't the point. it was a reference that aid something other than "flaming" or "bitching" but people took it too literally.

The actual description under the title No Holds Barred states:

 

"All flaming and hatred threads (aimed at wrestlers, posters, whoever) go in here. If you don't like it, DON'T GO IN!"

 

... so I think things like flaming and trolling, and even offensive language, should be allowed. If you don't like it, don't go in. Or choose the threads that you want to view with a little extra consideration.

[Guest Ripper]

We could go by what it says by the NHB folder but getting banned for what goes on inside gets confusing.

 

If only there was a easily accesable list of rules and regulations that clearly stated the rules that apply to the entire board and clearly explains any confusion about what you think is acceptable or not. If only it existed.

[Guest DrTom]

I'd be all for renaming the folder to "Hardcore" or something similar. At that rate, simpletons who seem completely incapable of clicking on the bold-lettered link to the board rules at the top of each page would still be able to take everything they see on the internet literally. And really, if we can't placate simpletons who take everything they see on the internet literally, WHY ARE WE HERE?

[Guest alfdogg]

I didn't really read this thread, so I'll just ask...

 

You can get banned for saying "cunt" now?