CZW Extreme 8

July 2, 2003

I'm pretty sure the glass used in that match was stuntman sugar glass, not a real pane. Don't quote me on that though.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure of that....I mean, when Gage gets backdropped on it, the thing fucking shatters into a million pieces. If that was real, it would've had a bit more resistance to it.

July 2, 2003

Barber, amount of bleeding doesn't directly correlate with speed of healing.

http://tattoo.about.com/library/blglostong...ngue.htm&e=6843

http://www.piercedpleasures.net/experience...ue2.html&e=6843

http://www.pressrepublican.com/special/pul...1p2b.htm&e=6843

http://www.woodwind.org/clarinet/Study/Ton...ter.html&e=6843

Theres a bunch of websites by people who know these things on the subject of the healing tongue

July 2, 2003

No, I'm not. If your claim that it's the fastest heeling muscle is in fact correct, then something isn't right, seeing as how it's quite common for somebody who had their tongue cut out (dating back to ancient times) to die of blood loss. The tongue isn't the fastest heeling muscle in the body, dude. Believe me. It's one of the areas that bleed the most in the entire body.

you are wrong

LucharesuFan619 · July 2, 2003

I'm pretty sure the glass used in that match was stuntman sugar glass, not a real pane. Don't quote me on that though.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure of that....I mean, when Gage gets backdropped on it, the thing fucking shatters into a million pieces. If that was real, it would've had a bit more resistance to it.

Well, then why not have someone superkick stuntman sugar glass into the face. If a boot scrape w/ it doesn't kill, a super kick certainly wouldn't.

ulfistgut, when you get your tongue pierced precautions are being taken. You're numbed signifcantly, there are towels near by, the process is done SLOWLY (not all in one moment like with a staple gun), etc. One can't take such precautions in a wrestling match.

July 2, 2003

If death by a bleeding tongue is such a common occurrence like you said then you should have no problem finding several real life examples of this. Try to find examples that have happened in modern times in civilized countries.

LucharesuFan619 · July 2, 2003

If death by a bleeding tongue is such a common occurrence like you said then you should have no problem finding several real life examples of this. Try to find examples that have happened in modern times in civilized countries.

First of all, it doesn't matter if it happened in a civilized country or not, A person from Iraq would die if they were shot in the head, just like someone from the U.S. That standard is ridiculous.

Here are some examples:

"They go into the cities and shoot people and threaten people and insist that they not surrender and not rise up," Rumsfeld told reporters on Capitol Hill. "They're vicious. They left somebody in the center of Baghdad not too long ago with his tongue pulled out until he bled to death."

from http://www.charlotte.com/mld/observer/2003...ews/5501006.htm and http://www.bayarea.com/mld/cctimes/5503161.htm

"The man went home to his wife, and convinced she was the Devil, bit out her tongue. She bled to death. "

from www.sundayherald.com/32026

"he bit his tongue and bled to death "

from www.museumofcivilform.com/Library/ianmccramy.html

This here is part of a myth. Don't know if it's true or not, but here's what it says...

"She alerted the parents of the dead child and found that the child's tongue had been removed, and the child had bled to death."

from www.ilhawaii.net/~stony/lore45.html

Must I continue?

July 2, 2003

There is a problem with those cases you mentioned. The people that died did so because they weren't attended to medically. Comparing getting your tongue cut or ripped off to getting a staple put through it is rediculous. A person could die from loss of blood from getting anything cut or ripped off.

July 2, 2003

There is a problem with those cases you mentioned. The people that died did so because they weren't attended to medically. Comparing getting your tongue cut or ripped off to getting a staple put through it is rediculous. A person could die from loss of blood from getting anything cut or ripped off.

i was just about to post the same thing.

and the reason i mentioned it being a civilized county is because the differences in medical treatment and hygene that will affect the tongue bleeder

LucharesuFan619 · July 2, 2003

There is a problem with those cases you mentioned. The people that died did so because they weren't attended to medically. Comparing getting your tongue cut or ripped off to getting a staple put through it is rediculous. A person could die from loss of blood from getting anything cut or ripped off.

Acutally, it doesn't say whether or not they were attended to. Who knows if they were. I don't think the articles they whether or not they were. In a case like this, it's not right to assume that they were because they may not have been nor should you assume that they weren't because they may have been.

At TOD when Necro got the shirt stapled to his tongue, the incident happened toward the beginning of the bout. They still wrestled for several more minutes before the match ended and he was attended to, presumably backstage. He's lucky he wasn't injured worse.

In MAW Hardcore Cup, the incident I think happened later in the bout, so he was attended to more quickly.

July 2, 2003

At TOD when Necro got the shirt stapled to his tongue, the incident happened toward the beginning of the bout. They still wrestled for several more minutes before the match ended and he was attended to, presumably backstage. He's lucky he wasn't injured worse.

You would have to lose several pints of blood through the cut to come close to dieing, I’m fairly confident in saying that if necro was bleeding pint after pint of blood out of his tongue they would have ended the match early.

Just admit you are a czw hater trying hard to find something to nitpick from the show.

July 2, 2003

There is a problem with those cases you mentioned. The people that died did so because they weren't attended to medically. Comparing getting your tongue cut or ripped off to getting a staple put through it is rediculous. A person could die from loss of blood from getting anything cut or ripped off.

Acutally, it doesn't say whether or not they were attended to. Who knows if they were. I don't think the articles they whether or not they were. In a case like this, it's not right to assume that they were because they may not have been nor should you assume that they weren't because they may have been.

At TOD when Necro got the shirt stapled to his tongue, the incident happened toward the beginning of the bout. They still wrestled for several more minutes before the match ended and he was attended to, presumably backstage. He's lucky he wasn't injured worse.

In MAW Hardcore Cup, the incident I think happened later in the bout, so he was attended to more quickly.

True, I shouldn't assume they weren't attended to, but it's pretty fair to assume they weren't. I recall an episode of the Real World where some dude got his tongue bit off. He didn't die. However that isn't really my main point. My main point is that you are wrong in comparing getting a body part removed to piercing a body part. Also as Joe Mama pointed out. If anyone was losing tons of blood, the match would be stopped. You'd be suprised at how much blood a person can lose before they can't function. I hardly think 10 minutes of bleeding through two extremely small holes in the tongue will do any damage.

On a side note I just watched the Extreme 8 today. I didn't even see blood on the bill that was stapled to Bailey's tongue.

July 2, 2003

There's a huge difference between piercing the tongue (staple gun) and cutting it off, Barber.

LucharesuFan619 · July 3, 2003

There's a huge difference between piercing the tongue (staple gun) and cutting it off, Barber.

I found examples of death via a bleeding tongue, which is what he asked me.

July 3, 2003

I found examples of death via a bleeding tongue, which is what he asked me.

and your examples sucked

you said it was a common occurance, yet you were only able to show a couple of extreme examples that didnt even help your arguement.

just admit you were wrong and that there is no real risk of death from the tongue stapling.

i find it hard to beleive that some kid is actually concerned about what hardcore wrestlers do to eachother in the ring, what it sounds like to me is you want to hate on the product no matter what the reality is

LucharesuFan619 · July 3, 2003

I found examples of death via a bleeding tongue, which is what he asked me.

and your examples sucked

you said it was a common occurance, yet you were only able to show a couple of extreme examples that didnt even help your arguement.

just admit you were wrong and that there is no real risk of death from the tongue stapling.

i find it hard to beleive that some kid is actually concerned about what hardcore wrestlers do to eachother in the ring, what it sounds like to me is you want to hate on the product no matter what the reality is

I found enough examples and they certainly didn't suck; Instead, they were quite valid. I can't help it if you want to assume that those in the examples weren't attended to medically when it doesn't mention that at all. Something tells me you just are pissed because I found examples and you didn't think I could. I'm not going to spend all day looking for examples just in order to appease your obsessiveness.

With Zandig's obsession with making sure the fans get their money's worth, I doubt he would stop a match just because there was tons of blood. Fuck, he didn't even stop his own match at Stretched in Smyrna, knowing full and well that the police had already been called and were coming to the show due to the excessive blood of Wifebeater.

"i find it hard to beleive that some kid is actually concerned about what hardcore wrestlers do to eachother in the ring, what it sounds like to me is you want to hate on the product no matter what the reality is"

Way to change the subject. I enjoy CZW's product quite a lot. I've proved that time and time again with my praise of Ruckus, Berk, Flash, Hatred (even when most were criticizing him on this board), Gage, etc.

July 3, 2003

Way to change the subject. I enjoy CZW's product quite a lot. I've proved that time and time again with my praise of Ruckus, Berk, Flash, Hatred (even when most were criticizing him on this board), Gage, etc.

Ha.

July 3, 2003

I found enough examples and they certainly didn't suck; Instead, they were quite valid. I can't help it if you want to assume that those in the examples weren't attended to medically when it doesn't mention that at all. Something tells me you just are pissed because I found examples and you didn't think I could. I'm not going to spend all day looking for examples just in order to appease your obsessiveness.

Your examples sucked, no really they sucked hard. I’m not pissed that you found those examples, I found them too before even posing the questions. When I asked for death from bleeding tongue examples did you really think I meant people with amputated tongues? Or more likely did I want some examples that might actually have something to do with the debate on hand? Sure I should have been more specific, but I thought you would use some common sense, sorry I gave you too much credit for that.

And as far as you spending time looking them up, well you are the one that made the claim in the first place so you should have some facts to back up your original point, so don’t get mad at me because they don’t exist.

And what exactly am I obsessed with? You posted a big load of bull flop on here and I called you out on it, I’d hardly call that obsessive.

Get a clue kid, you are wrong, just admit it.

LucharesuFan619 · July 3, 2003

I found enough examples and they certainly didn't suck; Instead, they were quite valid. I can't help it if you want to assume that those in the examples weren't attended to medically when it doesn't mention that at all. Something tells me you just are pissed because I found examples and you didn't think I could. I'm not going to spend all day looking for examples just in order to appease your obsessiveness.

Your examples sucked, no really they sucked hard. I’m not pissed that you found those examples, I found them too before even posing the questions. When I asked for death from bleeding tongue examples did you really think I meant people with amputated tongues? Or more likely did I want some examples that might actually have something to do with the debate on hand? Sure I should have been more specific, but I thought you would use some common sense, sorry I gave you too much credit for that.

And as far as you spending time looking them up, well you are the one that made the claim in the first place so you should have some facts to back up your original point, so don’t get mad at me because they don’t exist.

And what exactly am I obsessed with? You posted a big load of bull flop on here and I called you out on it, I’d hardly call that obsessive.

Get a clue kid, you are wrong, just admit it.

"I’m not pissed that you found those examples, I found them too before even posing the questions."

LMFAO. The odds of that being true are about 1 in 1,000. I'd like to believe you, but instead I'm left with HAHAHAHAHA! Of course you did... :lol:

"Or more likely did I want some examples that might actually have something to do with the debate on hand?"

You're telling me that these links don't have to do with the subject at hand? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but there's no way to find examples of somebody dying from getting their tongue stapled because nobody, with the exception of ultraviolent wrestlers, would dare do such a stupid thing. Biting one's tongue out (from www.sundayherald.com/32026) and biting one's tongue ((www.museumofcivilform.com/Library/ianmccramy.html) are completely relevant examples in a circumstance like this, since it's completely unrealistic to expect for me to find examples that include staples.

July 3, 2003

laugh all you want, you are still wrong

anyone reading this can see that

and really at the very least you could have provided a tongue peircing that caused death, that would be close enough to a stapling to qualify.

come on now, just say "i am wrong" and this will all go away

LucharesuFan619 · July 3, 2003

laugh all you want, you are still wrong
anyone reading this can see that

and really at the very least you could have provided a tongue peircing that caused death, that would be close enough to a stapling to qualify.

come on now, just say "i am wrong" and this will all go away

I'm "still wrong." That's a formula for showing that you don't want to argue anymore and I don't blame you. I've won the argument via something called rationality. You can't use the facts on your side of the argument cuz there aren't really any.

I just provided you with a sensible explanation in my previous reply. You use the phrase "at the very least." Well, at the very least, you could at least give me a halfway decent reply rather than just give up and act like you schooled me when you didn't.

When you get your tongue pierced, your sitting in a chair with medical tools, towels, etc.! When you're wrestling in an ultraviolent death match, you have broken glass, thumbtacks, nails, etc. surrounding you!

July 4, 2003

No really, you are wrong, incorrect, erroneous and inaccurate.

There is no real risk of a wrestler dieing because of getting stapled in the tongue. Even the thought of it is just silly, your crappy examples did nothing to show any evidence possible death in such a situation.

You actually had the nerve to say that people dieing from bleeding tongues is a common occurrence and then couldnt even back it up.

Get real and admit you are full of crap.

July 4, 2003

I was in a fight with this guy Donnie, and caused him to bite completely through his tongue with an uppercut. This was at a party, and he didn't get any medical attention until the next day. If he can live through a large gaping hole in his tongue over night, I'm sure a staple to the tongue isn't fatal.

LucharesuFan619 · July 4, 2003

No really, you are wrong, incorrect, erroneous and inaccurate.

There is no real risk of a wrestler dieing because of getting stapled in the tongue. Even the thought of it is just silly, your crappy examples did nothing to show any evidence possible death in such a situation.

You actually had the nerve to say that people dieing from bleeding tongues is a common occurrence and then couldnt even back it up.

Get real and admit you are full of crap.

I just backed it up with three or four different examples, you blind bat, LOL! HAHAHA!

"This was at a party, and he didn't get any medical attention until the next day."

That's impossible. If he bit through his tongue, like you said, he would've had to get medical attention of some sort because he'd have been bleeding. Whether it be stitches, holding a towel on it for a long time, getting actual medical help by calling 911, or something like that, he wouldn't have gone a whole night without getting help for the simple reason that he wouldn't walk around with a tongue that's been bitten through and bleeding. Common sense, human will, everything denies that that could happen.

July 4, 2003

I just backed it up with three or four different examples, you blind bat, LOL! HAHAHA!

For the last time, your examples sucked

Didn’t you see that first time I told you they sucked? you must be a blind bat :huh:

And why are you laughing at your comments, they weren't even remotely humorous.

Since it seems you won’t admit you are wrong how about you convince me you are correct. Here is your shot, now all in one post please explain to me how a wrestlers life is at risk by tongue stapling. Here is a hint though, using poor examples and dim-witted jokes won’t help you much.

LucharesuFan619 · July 4, 2003

I've already explained why my examples were completely relevant. You have yet to respond to that post. The baggage is on your shoulder and not mine and it's been on your shoulder for hte last several posts. You have yet to respond to my post that responded to your accusastion that my examples were irrational/irrelevant.

I don't need to give you an essay of any sort. I've given you examples as you asked. Your now changing the criteria that you asked me for in this thread. I'm not going to fall victim to such asburdity.

I'm agreeing to disagree. Hopefully you will, but I won't hold my breath on that.

July 4, 2003

This thread is hillarious.

July 4, 2003

Just admit you're wrong....this is way you're banned in SCU, XPWTV and CZWFans. You NEVER seem to admit that you're wrong.

LucharesuFan619 · July 4, 2003

Just admit you're wrong....this is way you're banned in SCU, XPWTV and CZWFans. You NEVER seem to admit that you're wrong.

I was banned from those boards b/c of problems I had w/ the mods, not with the board members.

And I'm not going to admit that I'm wrong when I'm right, beyond a shadow of a doubt. Someone that is blind could see that.

Don't hold people do double standards, trickstyle. It's not cool and you're making a habit of it.

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