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[Guest Trivia247]

# There was talk of holding off on Kurt Angle's in-ring return in order to promote it a few weeks in hopes of scoring a big rating the show. Vince McMahon, however, decided to have Kurt's return be unannounced to give Smackdown an "anything can happen" feeling.

 

# It's all but confirmed that Mick Foley will be making his in-ring return at August's Summer Slam PPV. Although it was originally rumored that Foley would be taking Goldberg's place as Triple H's opponent, it now looks as though he'll be facing either Vince McMahon or Randy Orton at the event. Sources expect that this will not be Foley's only match for the company, and it's expected that he'll be working a schedule similar to The Rock's.

 

# The rumor going around the locker room is that Golberg is growing increasingly paranoid that WWE officials are purposely trying to sabotage his character by booking him in situations to make him look weak. Some are even saying that officials are trying to make him quit the company. The decision for not featuring his MSG debut as a selling point for last Monday's RAW is an example of that.

 

(Thanks to The Pro Wrestling Torch Newsletter)

[Guest Eagan469]

# The rumor going around the locker room is that Golberg is growing increasingly paranoid that WWE officials are purposely trying to sabotage his character by booking him in situations to make him look weak. Some are even saying that officials are trying to make him quit the company. The decision for not featuring his MSG debut as a selling point for last Monday's RAW is an example of that.

To Goldberg with love,

 

You're not a draw anymore. Shut the fuck up.

 

[Guest HartFan86]

They should save Foley/McMahon for Mania, IMO.

[Guest TheArchiteck]

Don't quit Goldberg........shove it to those fools!

[Guest BoboBrazil]

Goldberg is a draw. He is continually one of the highest rated segments on Raw.

[Guest Anglesault]

Goldberg is a draw. He is continually one of the highest rated segments on Raw.

And his PPV got the lowest buyrate of the year

[Guest Trivia247]

nice to two there are still two Goldberg Marks left, maybe they will buy his latest who's next shirt.

[Guest Just call me Dan]

Who's main even slot on a PPV has drawn this year though?

[Guest Your Olympic Hero]

nice to two there are still two Goldberg Marks left, maybe they will buy his latest who's next shirt.

I don't mark so much for Goldberg anymore but I'd still rather see him than Nash and some of the others in the Raw locker room.

[Guest Choken One]

Who's main even slot on a PPV has drawn this year though?

Sadly...The Big Show.

[Guest Anglesault]

Who's main even slot on a PPV has drawn this year though?

Does it matter?

 

FGB was brought in to spike buyrates. He failed.

 

 

He failed so miserably that Steiner (Rumble) Hogan (NWO, Mania-to an extent) and Big Show (J-Day) all did better than him, and none of their numbers were good.

[Guest Trivia247]

plus Goldberg is becoming less and less Fan friendly anyone who DARES not cheer for him. Does he have to YANK a Fan out of the stands Spear him then wag his tongue at the rest?

 

oye

[Guest Choken One]

if Anything...Turn Goldberg Heel...

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

WTF? I don't get this. I thought what Goldberg did on Monday was supposed to be the 'correct' way to book him, according to his minions. If he does ANYTHING else he's either 'exposed' or 'misused'. How was WWE supposed to promote him when he's only going to have a 5 minute appearance, and at the same time, not take away from the title match on the same night?

 

Mind-boggling.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

I don't mark so much for Goldberg anymore but I'd still rather see him than Nash and some of the others in the Raw locker room.

I would sooner cheer for Hev Kev or Big Show than I would for FGB

[Guest Polish_Rifle]

plus Goldberg is becoming less and less Fan friendly anyone who DARES not cheer for him. Does he have to YANK a Fan out of the stands Spear him then wag his tongue at the rest?

 

oye

Don't forget he said that the only reason he came back was for the kids and his fans who went to war in Iraq. Nice to know he's still as fan friendly as ever.

[ANKLELOCK 0]

What!? I was looking forward to Foley pulling another good match out of Hunter at Summerslam. Who will they put against HHH then?

[Guest Downhome]

I just finished writing a longer version of the following, when when I pressed to post it I realized I was not logged in, and it was all lost. Here is the short version...

 

...in my mind, a lot of people are looking at ratings, buyrates, and lots of other shit in the wrong way. The performers in WWE are not failing, not at all (with a few exceptions which are painfully obvious that they shouldn't even be in the ring, like Nash). The problem is with the promoters and writers. You can't expect everyone in WWE to make a miracle happen when they are told to go out there and do a certain thing when it's crap already on paper. In all of my years of watching Pro. Wrestling, I don't know if I've ever seen as horrible a job at writing than I have seen in WWE for the past 2-3 years now. Everyone from the lower to mid to main event card have been misused, just about everyone has been given the shaft in terms of quality work.

 

In terms of the arguing about the PPV buyrates and the TV ratings, it's rather pointless at this point in time. I do think that people have things backwards for the most part. People say that the low buyrates mean that they don't want to see those on the card there in the first place, and I disagree. What the PPV buyrates say to me is that the WWE fans just aren't interested enough in the product overall to actually give money for something they can see on free TV as usual. The fact of the matter is that the PPV buyrates show that the fans do not find the storylines and angles that the wrestlers are involved enough, entertaining and interesting enough to actually pay for.

 

The TV ratings however are telling WWE just what specific wrestlers are actually drawing. We have guys who draw week after week, and the fans do care about them. To say otherwise is just outright kidding yourself. No, I'm not talking just about Goldberg either. We have other guys who actually pull in ratings like Jericho, Flair, and many others. The ratings tell use what segments the fans watch the most, and when it all comes down to it they tell us who the fans are the most interested in. The fans can see these guys on TV, they watch, and that's that.

 

Where the problem comes in is that even though they watch them on TV, they do not care enough about just what they are doing enough to order the PPV each month. I don't blame them either, as if I was just a casual fan I more than likely wouldn't have ordered hardly any PPVs in the past 2-3 years. Goldberg draws on TV, his segments draw, the fans do care about him and want to see him. They do not however care enough about what he's doing to pay for it. Again, this applys to just about everyone else also.

 

The wresters are not and have not failed, the promoters and writers have and are failing.

 

Place the blame where it is deserved.

 

There are tons of guys who deserve better work, and if they were given better programs to work with the fans just might care enough about them to actually PAY to see them. This isn't the wrestlers fault, you can't blame them. You can't turn shit to gold, and I don't expect anyone on the WWE roster to do so either.

 

Now if WWE actually gives the performers GOLD to work with, and the performers turn THAT to shit, then you can blame the wrestlers.

[Guest Anglesault]

...in my mind, a lot of people are looking at ratings, buyrates, and lots of other shit in the wrong way. The performers in WWE are not failing, not at all (with a few exceptions which are painfully obvious that they shouldn't even be in the ring, like Nash). The problem is with the promoters and writers. You can't expect everyone in WWE to make a miracle happen when they are told to go out there and do a certain thing when it's crap already on paper.

 

Where the problem comes in is that even though they watch them on TV, they do not care enough about just what they are doing enough to order the PPV each month. I don't blame them either, as if I was just a casual fan I more than likely wouldn't have ordered hardly any PPVs in the past 2-3 years. Goldberg draws on TV, his segments draw, the fans do care about him and want to see him. They do not however care enough about what he's doing to pay for it. Again, this applys to just about everyone else also.

 

The wresters are not and have not failed, the promoters and writers have and are failing.

 

Place the blame where it is deserved.

 

There are tons of guys who deserve better work, and if they were given better programs to work with the fans just might care enough about them to actually PAY to see them. This isn't the wrestlers fault, you can't blame them. You can't turn shit to gold, and I don't expect anyone on the WWE roster to do so either.

 

Now if WWE actually gives the performers GOLD to work with, and the performers turn THAT to shit, then you can blame the wrestlers.

Writer: Now Bill, you're going to feud with Rock and Jericho. They'll look like bitches the whole time, trying to sneak attack and run away from you.

 

You will laugh at them and refuse to sell.

 

OH, I GET IT!

 

FGB is being misused because he hasn't run over the whole roster and defeated Rock and Jericho in a combined six minutes.

 

Just come out and say it.

[Guest Trivia247]

Mike Lockwood (Crash Holly) currently bounces for various nightclubs in the state of North Carolina when not being used by WWE.

 

We have heard several reports over the weekend that Crash may have been released from WWE at some point last week.

 

We are working on this story and hope to have more as we get it. As of right now though, consider this as only a rumor.

[Guest Anglesault]

Does anyone else think that if perhaps Billy would stop being a fuckhead and allow the other guy to look like he may you know, win, fans may be interested in the PPV blow off?

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Is noting that Goldberg's segments draw well (which wasn't the case last week) looking at it 'the wrong way'? Think about it.

 

AS is right. If Goldberg actually looks weak at any point in time, or his matches last longer than 6 minutes, his persona falls apart.

 

Finally, imagining Crash Holly as a bouncer amuses me.

[Guest Anglesault]

The TV ratings however are telling WWE just what specific wrestlers are actually drawing. We have guys who draw week after week, and the fans do care about them. To say otherwise is just outright kidding yourself. No, I'm not talking just about Goldberg either. We have other guys who actually pull in ratings like Jericho, Flair, and many others. The ratings tell use what segments the fans watch the most, and when it all comes down to it they tell us who the fans are the most interested in. The fans can see these guys on TV, they watch, and that's that.

So...PUSH SABLE!

[Guest Downhome]

The TV ratings however are telling WWE just what specific wrestlers are actually drawing. We have guys who draw week after week, and the fans do care about them. To say otherwise is just outright kidding yourself. No, I'm not talking just about Goldberg either. We have other guys who actually pull in ratings like Jericho, Flair, and many others. The ratings tell use what segments the fans watch the most, and when it all comes down to it they tell us who the fans are the most interested in. The fans can see these guys on TV, they watch, and that's that.

So...PUSH SABLE!

If she's drawing, and from a business standpoint, why not? It would be rather wise of those in power in WWE to take advantage of her popularity. Put her on TV and in the segments before and after the segment that she's involved in, place the angles that the company really hopes to get to take off. They could use Sable's popularity as a chance to get those viewers that tune in for her, hooked on other aspects of the show. The problem with that, is that they have to make sure that what they book around Sable in order to get the fans interested, is interesting enough to do so.

 

I don't WANT her pushed, but I can recognize where things like this could actually help WWE as a whole.

[Guest JHawk]

The TV ratings however are telling WWE just what specific wrestlers are actually drawing. We have guys who draw week after week, and the fans do care about them. To say otherwise is just outright kidding yourself. No, I'm not talking just about Goldberg either. We have other guys who actually pull in ratings like Jericho, Flair, and many others. The ratings tell use what segments the fans watch the most, and when it all comes down to it they tell us who the fans are the most interested in. The fans can see these guys on TV, they watch, and that's that.

So...PUSH SABLE!

Don't even joke about that.

[Guest Anglesault]

The TV ratings however are telling WWE just what specific wrestlers are actually drawing. We have guys who draw week after week, and the fans do care about them. To say otherwise is just outright kidding yourself. No, I'm not talking just about Goldberg either. We have other guys who actually pull in ratings like Jericho, Flair, and many others. The ratings tell use what segments the fans watch the most, and when it all comes down to it they tell us who the fans are the most interested in. The fans can see these guys on TV, they watch, and that's that.

So...PUSH SABLE!

If she's drawing, and from a business standpoint, why not? .

Sable: US Champion

[Guest Downhome]

The TV ratings however are telling WWE just what specific wrestlers are actually drawing. We have guys who draw week after week, and the fans do care about them. To say otherwise is just outright kidding yourself. No, I'm not talking just about Goldberg either. We have other guys who actually pull in ratings like Jericho, Flair, and many others. The ratings tell use what segments the fans watch the most, and when it all comes down to it they tell us who the fans are the most interested in. The fans can see these guys on TV, they watch, and that's that.

So...PUSH SABLE!

If she's drawing, and from a business standpoint, why not? .

Sable: US Champion

You don't have to do bullshit like that. Just use her popularity as something of a launching pad for other angles. Just posistion her segments so that the fans that tune in for her catch other things that WWE has to offer.

[Guest JHawk]

They're pushing Sable just fine as it is, thank you very much.

[Guest bob_barron]

Who's main even slot on a PPV has drawn this year though?

As AS has pointed out- Who else was brought in and signed SPECIFICIALLY to increase buyrates?

 

Oh and the RR did well so credit whomever you want with that.

 

Judgement Day was also a success.

[Guest bob_barron]

Also Bill Goldberg-

 

Shut the fuck up.

 

Everytime I saw an ad for RAW it always said: Be sure to see the MSG Debut of Goldberg!!

 

Sounds like hype to me.

 

And considering he was accepting an open challenge- How could they hype him up?