Guest Youth N Asia Report post Posted July 1, 2003 HHH has burried every uppermidcard guy on Raw: RVD, Kane, Booker, Steiner, Jericho, and the only guys with a hope of going over are his buddies Shawn and Kevin. HHH's not the 4th most over guy on the show, and not the most over heel. And he's so boring and predictable. Raw has been such a shitty show the last year or so. Pretty much the only guy left is Goldberg, and he's been pulling bitch moves to get out of angles he doesn't like. Which in HHH's case I'm actually ok with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dangerous A Report post Posted July 1, 2003 His buddies don't have a hope of going over either. He let Shawn touch his belt for a month before taking it back and he wouldn't let Big Kev near it, although I think the latter is a good thing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CanadianChick Report post Posted July 1, 2003 By this thread, are you insinuating thta RVD got buried tonight? Okay, I don't like Triple H either, but that's going too far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted July 1, 2003 I wouldn't say RVD was buried tonight. He was made to look strong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted July 1, 2003 Repeatedly giving the guy title matches and having him lose clean is doing nothing to help. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CanadianChick Report post Posted July 1, 2003 AS, there were *three* guys RVD had to fight off. Flair interfered at first, which did cost him the title. And even though it was legal, he did get hit with a belt and then he got DDT'd into the steel ramp, after fighting off three guys. That's not exactly a clean win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LooseCannon25 0 Report post Posted July 1, 2003 AS, there were *three* guys RVD had to fight off. Flair interfered at first, which did cost him the title. And even though it was legal, he did get hit with a belt and then he got DDT'd into the steel ramp, after fighting off three guys. That's not exactly a clean win. AS seems to think that since the beltshot was legal that it takes away from the impact of the blow...good thinking there buddy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Just call me Dan Report post Posted July 1, 2003 RVD wasn't buried tonight, but he has had his streak of HHH punishment. You can't deny his credibility was hurt badly in that feud and soon after being shoved into a tag team trying to recapture the magic of Booker T and Goldust. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted July 1, 2003 Amount of people who thought RVD would beat HHH before Raw: 0 Amount of people who think RVD can beat HHH after Raw: 0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LooseCannon25 0 Report post Posted July 1, 2003 Speaking of Goldust....where in the hell has he been. I know he was on Heat on Sunday, but why hasnt he been on Raw lately Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CanadianChick Report post Posted July 1, 2003 RVD wasn't buried tonight, but he has had his streak of HHH punishment. You can't deny his credibility was hurt badly in that feud and soon after being shoved into a tag team trying to recapture the magic of Booker T and Goldust. Oh no, don't get me wrong. RVD was so buried after his feud with HHH after last September. I meant tonight. RVD wasn't buried tonight, period. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted July 1, 2003 Creative has nothing, nothing, NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING GAGAGAGGA FUCKING IDIOTS NOTHING NOTHING MWAHMWAH COMPLETE MORONS NOTHING for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted July 1, 2003 Every failed title shot is another foot deeper in the *hole*... actually, "whole" was a pretty nice play on words... keep em both. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted July 1, 2003 Flair interfered at first, which did cost him the title. Possibly. Actually, you are right. remember when they did it with Booker? The big Mania rematch? They had him fight off Jericho and Flair, and still not be good enough to defeat the Mighty HHH? That certainly sky rocketed his career. he did get hit with a belt and then he got DDT'd into the steel ramp, after fighting off three guys. That's not exactly a clean win. I define a clean win to be a win that was not direct result of cheating or interference. He jobbed to a DDT. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jester Report post Posted July 1, 2003 While HHH had to cheat like mad to win, here's the problem: Bischoff did the "changing match rules" thing. That's supposed to be used against the FACE, not the HEEL. This could work ok if they then put RVD in a feud where he eventually goes over HHH and wins the title, but I doubt they will. They love to give RVD a whiff of the championship, screw him out of it and never mention it again. That match has the potential to advance RVD...but only if they build off it. Which they probably won't, so he looks buried again. As for HHH, even though he retains the belt after lots of interference and cheating, after awhile it doesn't matter. Faces are supposed to overcome these odds. If they don't time after time, eventually the heel looks strong by default, because everyone else looks weak. HHH is smart enough to always have these guys around to save him, it makes him look as smart as he claims to be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted July 1, 2003 I didn't mind the DDT finish. Wrestlers should really win more without their signature moves. And I LIKED Bischoff changing the rules. He did it equally for faces and heels. He wasn't pandering to anyone. He was acting like a "legitimate" GM, and not a biased one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted July 1, 2003 I didn't mind the DDT finish. Wrestlers should really win more without their signature moves. And I LIKED Bischoff changing the rules. He did it equally for faces and heels. He wasn't pandering to anyone. He was acting like a "legitimate" GM, and not a biased one. A heel should NOT overcome odds to beat the face. It just makes the face look worse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted July 1, 2003 A heel should NOT overcome odds to beat the face. It just makes the face look worse. He didn't overcome the odds. He needed help to win. Period. And most of my post was about Bischoff. I've also already said I wished RVD would have won. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted July 1, 2003 Bischoff was stacking the odds. He allowed RVD another chance after the DQ He allowed RVD a sudden chance to win in a FCA scenario. And he still couldn't do it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LooseCannon25 0 Report post Posted July 1, 2003 Bischoff was stacking the odds. He allowed RVD another chance after the DQ He allowed RVD a sudden chance to win in a FCA scenario. And he still couldn't do it. Actually if anything i would say that Bischoff did that for HHH's benefit cause when he made it no dq and FCA it allowed Flair and Orton to interfere willingly and make it 3-1 legally. That was my take on it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted July 1, 2003 Restarting the match helped HHH? Making it FCA when HHH was dead on the floor helped HHH? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Kotzenjunge Report post Posted July 1, 2003 Actually, those stipulations made it more difficult for RVD, since he had no second to help him out. And with how RVD sells a DDT, it's always believeable that one can beat him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted July 1, 2003 How does restarting a match that has already ended favorably for him help HHH and hurt RVD? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dangerous A Report post Posted July 1, 2003 RRR had it right, no one bought RVD seriously before OR after the match. Unfortunately HHH is smart, he realizes that is a crucial time to not job. If RVD were to have gone over tonight when NO ONE bought that he could've, a potential (I say that term loosely) main event star could be created and that would throw HHH's world out of balance. Remember this folks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Trivia247 Report post Posted July 1, 2003 nah not everyone, he would need to take on La Resistance in a Elimination fall match that eliminates both by pinfall cleanly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted July 1, 2003 Like I said, Bischoff was being unbiased. He was trying to make Raw really good to rub it in Austin's face. The end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted July 1, 2003 Well actually, had RVD won his title reign most likely would have sucked since it wasn't built _at all_. The failure would give HHH more fuel to his "don't give anyone else the belt ever" fire and promptly make everyone see RVD as worthless and therefore making him a non-threat to HHH in the future. However, there is always _a_ chance that RVD's title run could have been successful, much like Booker T's title run that was scheduled from WM to Judgement Day, so maybe mister H is getting too insecure to even take a small risk like that dispite the rather large reward that would come from it. Or he just wants to keep the title strong.... ... HA! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dangerous A Report post Posted July 1, 2003 I was thinking more along the lines of the Jumbo/Misawa 6/8/90 storyline where no one gave Misawa a chance in hell of winning the match over THE MAN and when he beat him, a star was born. Then again, RVD's cred has been shot through his ass, so maybe my scenario isn't as valid as I thought. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted July 1, 2003 Like I said, Bischoff was being unbiased. He was trying to make Raw really good to rub it in Austin's face. The end. Unbiased my ass. He is the heel GM and was fucking over faces all night long. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted July 1, 2003 That's one of those angles where there's a distinct difference between Japan and the US - especially between All Japan 1990 and the WWE 2003. Plus Misawa wasn't completely buried before that and had, in that year IIRC, took off his mask. I can see where you are coming from, but it's not with RVD that it could be done with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
