Guest MrRant Posted July 5, 2003 Report Posted July 5, 2003 He just doesn't want to be FOUND OUT that he was ill prepared, pride has nothing to do with it I think. It would be pride that he would come out and SAY he fucked up and that he wasn't prepared like he should have been and that it was his fault.
Guest Tyler McClelland Posted July 5, 2003 Report Posted July 5, 2003 That could actually go either way; pride could make him withhold the fact that he was unprepared, as he wouldn't want to be seen as lazy (even with the extraneous circumstances). However, you're right, it does go the other way as well. The way Joe Trippi spun it, though, was sufficient enough to make it a virtually dead issue now.
Guest Jobber of the Week Posted July 5, 2003 Report Posted July 5, 2003 Wow, a retarded right wing spoof article. Great evidence!!!!!!!!!! Don't be a petty ass and ruin my fun. If this was an Onion article I was posting lambasting Bush or the Patriot Act, you'd be rolling on the fucking floor. Onion's pretty unbiased. Go read "Clinton feels country's pain, breasts" to see what I mean.
Guest Jobber of the Week Posted July 5, 2003 Report Posted July 5, 2003 Lieberman is the most centrist. No way! Your favorite political site tells me otherwise! I cannot believe people on this board endorse Lieberman.
Guest Slapnuts00 Posted July 5, 2003 Report Posted July 5, 2003 Again, Im a registered Democrat. I happen to support the president. I dont see why that makes me a card carrying conservative republican.
Guest Jobber of the Week Posted July 5, 2003 Report Posted July 5, 2003 Again, Im a registered Democrat. I happen to support the president. I dont see why that makes me a card carrying conservative republican. You called Lieberman a centerist. Come ON. Back up your shit. While his stances on many regular political issues might be middling, his nearly fascist opinion on society nearly makes him look like some guy sent by the right to make the left look bad. =b
Guest Slapnuts00 Posted July 5, 2003 Report Posted July 5, 2003 There are liberal Democrats and conservative Democrats. Lieberman is the choice of conservative Democrats. Being that conservative Democrats are closer to the middle than liberal ones, Lieberman is the most centrist choice.
Guest Cancer Marney Posted July 5, 2003 Report Posted July 5, 2003 (watches as Tyler teeters the line of being informative and being our left wing version of Marney =b) Like water is a damp version of fire. Keep your obscene miscomparisons to yourself. And yeah, I'm sure the attack wouldn't have happened if the President hadn't told them to bring it on. [/extremely heavy sarcasm]
Guest Cancer Marney Posted July 5, 2003 Report Posted July 5, 2003 Oh please. That building was under incredibly high security whether or not Bush had himself mobbed by a bunch of Secret Service guards. You want to tell me they weren't putting everyone through metal detectors and thoroughly searching bags? They were. That's when the President put his foot down. You wouldn't believe some of the measures other people were trying to push through. All things considered, it was amazingly unintrusive.
Guest JMA Posted July 5, 2003 Report Posted July 5, 2003 I just don't see how certain ideas are considered "liberal." For example, if someone is pro-choice or for gay marriages, they are branded a liberal. This is insane, however, as there are conservatives who are pro-choice and for gay marriages. Just because someone isn't a social conservative doesn't make them a liberal. Oh, and I myself am an Independant who leans left.
Guest Tyler McClelland Posted July 5, 2003 Report Posted July 5, 2003 It's just our stupid need to label people as part of one group or another.
Guest Cancer Marney Posted July 5, 2003 Report Posted July 5, 2003 It's not stupid at all. It's an unavoidable and extremely useful component of pattern recognition, without which we'd still be sitting in caves, poking lizards and occasionally each other with sticks. Of course it has its bad side, but it's a human characteristic, so what do you expect?
rising up out of the back seat-nuh Posted July 5, 2003 Report Posted July 5, 2003 OK, seeing as this threads has got into a debate into the presidential candidates, I am: Socialist Anti-War (at least the wars being fought by America right now) Pro-Choice Pro Homosexual Equality Pro Working Class Anti Guns Anti-Bush If I was American, who would I vote for?
Guest Jobber of the Week Posted July 5, 2003 Report Posted July 5, 2003 Like water is a damp version of fire. Keep your obscene miscomparisons to yourself. Well, he could never think up as many insults as you do, but he does seem to be taking up the habit of fighting his man's battles, something you're doing very often now, including in this thread. Meanwhile, Chave posts: OK, seeing as this threads has got into a debate into the presidential candidates, I am: Socialist Anti-War (at least the wars being fought by America right now) Pro-Choice Pro Homosexual Equality Pro Working Class Anti Guns Anti-Bush If I was American, who would I vote for? Probably Dennis Kucinich. He's more left than most the left is willing to allow going to right now, and his ideas for a Department of Peace (which will come up with programs such as Peace Education for Americans) are either "kind of odd" or "hippie rubbish" depending on who you talk to. FWIW, for the non-Americans in the crowd, here's a list of everyone involved (including the crazies), their take on issues, etc.
Guest Jobber of the Week Posted July 5, 2003 Report Posted July 5, 2003 Kucinich is actually pro-life. Yes, but assuming he votes for a Democrat and not some tiny third party that stands no chance of winning, Kucinich, uh, "vibes" the most. Certainly Dean wouldn't do (pro-guns), and almost everybody else is trying to be Tiny Republicans on the social issues.
Guest Tyler McClelland Posted July 5, 2003 Report Posted July 5, 2003 Agreed. I just wanted to throw that surprising tidbit out there. It simply depends on how much emphasis he places on the pro-choice part of his platform. I don't agree with 100% of Dean's platform (hell, I'd even say I only agree with about 80% of it), but I do agree with him on the issues that are important to me. Thus, he's got my support.
Guest Tyler McClelland Posted July 5, 2003 Report Posted July 5, 2003 The Greens want to run Michael Moore?!?
Guest Lil Naitch Posted July 5, 2003 Report Posted July 5, 2003 I picture Bush doing a Rock pose and going "Just bring it, BITCH!" and I can't stop laughing. What an ass
Guest Jobber of the Week Posted July 5, 2003 Report Posted July 5, 2003 The Greens want to run Michael Moore?!? whawhawhawha???? Where did you get this from, or are you pulling my leg? I just did a Google News Search for Moore and found nothing. Regardless, with a Moore Presidency we can expect an unheard of amount of the White House "EXPOSING THE TRUTH OMG!!!!!!!" on various covered-up subjects over the years, yet they will unable to explain how to solve any of them. =b
Guest Cancer Marney Posted July 5, 2003 Report Posted July 5, 2003 http://www.cgmn.org/moore04/index.html <blinking> There's a link to michaelmoore.com on the Green Party website, too.
Guest Tyler McClelland Posted July 5, 2003 Report Posted July 5, 2003 On that site you linked, he's one of the Green candidates...
Guest Cancer Marney Posted July 5, 2003 Report Posted July 5, 2003 <bursts out laughing> And guess who's listed right above him - Cynthia fucking MCKINNEY! Oh my God, Saturday afternoons just don't get better than this.
Guest Tyler McClelland Posted July 5, 2003 Report Posted July 5, 2003 Well, we can only hope. That would take away much of the Green influence on the Democratic voters
Guest Tyler McClelland Posted July 5, 2003 Report Posted July 5, 2003 That site is funny as hell. There's a UNITED FASCIST UNION running for president, apparently.
Guest Cancer Marney Posted July 5, 2003 Report Posted July 5, 2003 Yeah, that site is great. <g> Too bad Moore and McKinney are only draft candidates. I'd love to see those two battle it out for the nomination. "It's McCarthyism! McCarthyism all over again!" "McCarthyism is putting it mildly! We're only a few steps behind NAZI GERMANY!" "America is WORSE than Nazi Germany!" "You FOOL! It's even worse than STALINIST RUSSIA!!!" "STALINIST RUSSIA WAS A DEMOCRATIC PARADISE COMPARED TO THE UNITED STATES!" "IT WAS EVEN BETTER THAN THAT! IT WAS A COMMUNIST DICTA..." "..." "Um. Are we live?" "You idiot."
Guest Tyler McClelland Posted July 5, 2003 Report Posted July 5, 2003 Jack Grimes (Pennsylvania) Jack Grimes -- who previously ran for President as a write-in candidate in 2000 -- bills himself as the "Leader and Director of the United Fascist Union." As for his use of the word "Fascist," Grimes explains he wants to restore a New World Order based upon the governmental style of Imperial Rome "to institute a military dictatorship form of government over the Earth." Grimes believes that "the psychic is the next great step in the evolution of humankind on this planet." And it gets more weird: Grimes wants to address "the dilemmas now facing America and the whole of Western civilization: Democracy, Christianity, International Capitalism, Earth Changes, U.F.O.'s, government cover-ups, and others." Citing to Cayce and Nostradamus, Grimes predicts that "the United States will be reduced from its present size to a small triangular-shaped land mass through the loss of many of its coastal states." While those quotes come from his old 2000 campaign site, his 2004 is equally entertaining. Be sure to visit the "Pictures" page to view Grimes and his girlfriend (presumably) posing in their homemade black uniforms ... and to view pictures of them eating at different local restaurants. Or visit the "Speeches" page to read Grimes' 1998 remarks delivered to the "Flying Saucer Society of Dover, DE." Best of all is the Discussion Boards section of his site, in which Grimes exalts his followers to worship Satan -- plus you can read about the problem he was having getting to a campaign event in another state (because Mom's car was broken, etc.). While Grimes failed to achieve ballot status in any states in 2000, he falsely boasts on his site that he was on the ballot in 45 states and placed 6th in the race.
Guest Tyler McClelland Posted July 5, 2003 Report Posted July 5, 2003 Oh. My. God. That was funny enough to double post.
Guest Cancer Marney Posted July 5, 2003 Report Posted July 5, 2003 Hilarious though he is, his "girlfriend" is bloody horrifying.
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