Guest Lil Naitch Report post Posted July 5, 2003 Wasnt there some sort of story going round that The Acolytes stiffed the hell out of the Public Enemy during their brief WWF stint, cause the PE were hated backstage? True. The PE were hated backstage for their attitude, so Vince sent them out against the Acolytes, who stiffed the hell out of them to send the message "You're not welcome here". They soon took that message and left. IT's pretty much gaurnteed that if you get to full of yourself, they'll send you out against the APA. At least back then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Lil Naitch Report post Posted July 5, 2003 I have to quesstion the Sid/Squirrell, if only because we'd hear more about that than the squeegee, IMO. Still, funny as hell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FeArHaVoC Report post Posted July 5, 2003 Didn't Norman Smiley knock Rick Steiner out in a bar? Nash choked Konnan out one night backstage. Saturn shooting on Mike Bell on Heat. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vyce Report post Posted July 6, 2003 Damn. Orndorff, Hawk, & Andre really come across as bad-ass shit-kickers here. New Jack, on the other hand, comes across as a pussy. Other notes: I WANT the RVD / Tazz story to be true (nothing would give me more satisfaction than hearing RVD punked out Tazz), and I have serious doubts that Undertaker really choked out Angle (if that's true, I will genuinely hate Undertaker). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted July 6, 2003 Didn't Angle also once have a friendly shoot fight against the Big Show? I thought I read that once Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest EdwardKnoxII Report post Posted July 6, 2003 Of course, there was the story about Orndorff beating Vader with one hand cause the other was in a cast I think it was. And that lead to WCW selling Vader's contract to WWF. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TheGame2705 Report post Posted July 6, 2003 "Andre was a pretty big asshole" is what you can derive from a lot of the stories about him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Old Me Report post Posted July 6, 2003 Didn't Angle also once have a friendly shoot fight against the Big Show? I thought I read that once I think I heard that too, back around the time of the flight from hell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Placebo Effect 0 Report post Posted July 6, 2003 I have serious doubts that Undertaker really choked out Angle (if that's true, I will genuinely hate Undertaker). If you had a boss, and forget that it's Vince, who had treated you well for twelve years, and you woke up to discover that a co-worker was choking (something that could kill) him, would you just sit back and watch? Quit being a dumbass smark. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vyce Report post Posted July 6, 2003 I have serious doubts that Undertaker really choked out Angle (if that's true, I will genuinely hate Undertaker). If you had a boss, and forget that it's Vince, who had treated you well for twelve years, and you woke up to discover that a co-worker was choking (something that could kill) him, would you just sit back and watch? Quit being a dumbass smark. No, no, you misunderstand me. I don't doubt that Undertaker did something to separate Angle & Vince. That I believe. I just find it hard to believe that Undertaker actually choked out Kurt Angle, Olympic Gold Medalist. Despite all of his love for MMA, I don't think Undertaker is capable of doing such a thing. I think Angle could take him, or at the least, fight him off long before he's choked out. I think, if nothing else, the "choked out" part was grossly exaggerated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dangerous A Report post Posted July 6, 2003 If Angle wasn't ready for it and Taker got Angle's back, he could've easily choked Angle out. Plus Taker is strong and it doesn't take that long to get choked out. Plus this story is probrably 5th or 6th hand at best. Taker probrably got behind Angle and got a choke and Angle let go as soon as he was getting choked. The story then got passed down to the point where it looks like Taker could deal with Angle in a shoot. In an actual shoot fight where Taker would have to get Angle's back, then I would tend to believe Angle would get the better of Taker. However, if unprepared, anyone can get behind someone when they aren't expecting, get a choke, and start to choke someone legit out within 15-20 seconds if the pressure is right and the other guy is fighting. I've been to jiu-jitsu classes before and it doesn't take much to choke a man as long as you are applying pressure to the right parts of the neck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mindless_Aggression Report post Posted July 6, 2003 I believe the RVD stuff, he has a legit martial arts background and even Confidential I believe mentioned his participation and placing in tough man contests. At the end of the day, Taz was just built up like a badass, doesn't mean he was one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CanadianChick Report post Posted July 6, 2003 Also I refuse to believe that Taz backed down from RVD, RVD just does not seem like a tough guy at all. He used to compete in Tough Man Contests and actually came in second in one of the competitions. So yeah, he's probably a lot tougher than he seems Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HartFan86 Report post Posted July 6, 2003 I remember reading about the friendly Brock/Angle wrestling match during a Raw show and they had to stop the two because they were about to roll out on the stage or something. Dunno if it's true or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted July 6, 2003 I've heard many times about a Brock-Angle shoot fight that Angle won. It was all friendly though- no hostility Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted July 6, 2003 Did somebody say CHOKE? ...Yeah, it was over quick once that sucka was sunk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Zero_Cool Report post Posted July 6, 2003 From reading that RVD story, I so want to get in a fight like that. That's like, so f'ing cool and belongs in a good action movie. "My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die. Wait, what the?!" "Cut!! Hey knock it off!" *Andre gets on top of the dude and shits his pants.* Dunno, but I thought that would be funny...good dvd extra, I suppose. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest KingOfOldSchool Report post Posted July 6, 2003 I think Bruiser Brody vs. Jose Gonzalez belongs on the top of that list. - alkeiper Yeah, I can't believe that one is absent. Though maybe it's been omitted for being so grim. As the story goes, Brody was in Puerto Rico for a WWC show. He was summoned for a private talk by Jose Gonzales, otherwise known as Invader #1. Brody agreed, and moments later he was stabbed. Gonzales left, only to return later that night clean of any blood, ready to work his match. Brody died the next day. Gonzales was later acquitted of all charges, partly because the investigation was handled wrongly by the police, and partly because all the wrestlers, including any Americans, were fearful for their lives. Saturn shooting on Mike Bell on Heat. - Vyce Wasn't it Jakked? Saturn also shot on another indy guy later, but it was somewhat justified, since the guy was fighting Saturn on everything and apparently didn't want to job in his hometown. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Boo_Bradley Report post Posted July 6, 2003 According to some on KM.com, A few American wrestlers (Tony Atlas/Dutch Mantell/Youngbloods were there for sure) felt Brody attacked 1st, but Jose was ready to defend himself (Brody was 6'8 and Jose 5'10 I believe) and thus was stabbed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Boo_Bradley Report post Posted July 6, 2003 BTW, Here's a link to a KM list of shoots, which includes online videos: http://pub138.ezboard.com/fkayfabememories...icID=3828.topic Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Slingshot Suplex Report post Posted July 6, 2003 What I remember reading about Brody and Gonzales....don't know how much is true and I'm going by recalling from many years ago. Gonzales had the knife in his hand with a towel draped over it and called Brody over to talk to him.When Brody got over to him,Gonzales had his back to him,spun around and stabbed him once or twice in the abdomen. What I've read is that Brody didn't know it was coming and it was unprovoked. Tony Atlas was the key witness but refused to return to Puerto Rico to testify for fear of his life. Without Atlas' testimony ,they had no other evidence to refute Gonzales' claim of self defense and thusly Gonzales was acquitted. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Boo_Bradley Report post Posted July 6, 2003 I think that is kind of a "kayfabed" reason, that may or may not leave out details that would paint a different picture of that horrible Sunday afternoon July the 18th 1988... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest saturnmark4life Report post Posted July 6, 2003 Rick Steiner decided to shoot on Saturn on live TV I believe, for no other reason than he didn't like Saturn's backstage 'shooter' nickname. I'm not too fond of Rick Steiner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 6, 2003 ^ Hell let's start an 100 Reasons RICK steiner is better then Goldberg thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Special K Report post Posted July 6, 2003 Vader getting his ass kicked (albeit completely unfairly) by an old man with one good apparently led to a good part of his mistreatment in the WWF. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Upright Man Report post Posted July 6, 2003 I believe the RVD stuff, he has a legit martial arts background and even Confidential I believe mentioned his participation and placing in tough man contests. At the end of the day, Taz was just built up like a badass, doesn't mean he was one. I pretty sure Taz was a legitimate badass. I remember something about him holding a second-degree black belt in judo. I read Andre The Giant once sat on Bad News Allen in a match and shit his pants and wouldn't let Bad News up. Filth. I thought Andre was drunk and during the match he shit allover himself and Bad News. Bad News then proceeded to vomit all around the ring. Either way I echo your sentiments. Filth. Saturn also shot on another indy guy later, but it was somewhat justified, since the guy was fighting Saturn on everything and apparently didn't want to job in his hometown. I remember that. It was former Roller Jam star and all around douche bag Brian Gamble. He didn’t want to lose in front of his family and friends so Saturn stretched him out. Yeah, that's the queen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Slapnuts00 Report post Posted July 7, 2003 I remember hearing about the Brock/Angle thing a couple years ago, they had become friends and Brock was kinda cocky and insinuating that he could take down Angle. So the 2 decided have a friendly wrestling match before a RAW in the ring and I remember hearing all the workers were around the ring to watch and apparently Angle won easily. This was said to "humble" Brock quite a bit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMFabiano524 Report post Posted July 7, 2003 re: Hawk vs. Savage, if my memories of my now long-gone back issues of the Figure Four Weekly serve me right, this fight was over, of all things, the last piece of pizza. Yes I am not making that up/making a joke out of it. It did, however, lead to another classic mini-rant from Bryan Alvarez at the time, who used the incident to go off on how unlike other delivery meals, Chinese food for example, pizza seems to disappear the moment it is delivered. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Boo_Bradley Report post Posted July 7, 2003 ^^^^ SK's spin on it was that Angle struggled enough vs Brock to make him 2nd guess his Olympic comeback plans Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Boo_Bradley Report post Posted July 7, 2003 There's a notorious story Marty Jannetty story. I'm telling it now because it's relevant to the issue of Hellwig's self-proclaimed sterling moral character. Warrior, Jannetty, couple other WWF guys, I forget who, on a plane. It wasn't penetration but they dosed these poor kids' drinks, ripped their (both male and female, teenagers) clothes, touched at least the girl sexually, shaved a couple of their heads. Real exemplary behavior. From OSW message board Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
