Jeff G. Baileys War Games Team Promo

[Guest GroundZeroSplash]

Camera tracks through the woods in the black of night until coming up on Bailey and the Elite standing behind yellow crime scene tape, that says Crime Scene Do Not Cross.

 

What do you think about when you hear the word War? Do you think about Napalm raining down on villages, slaughtering families, or a bayonet spearing a child, or do you think about War Games?

 

I read that Civil War Generals used to take their troops out to battlefields, so they could see the decaying corpses and bloodstained fields to inspire their men for battle, so what I've done is take my NWA Elite to the Tri-State Crematorium.

 

Right here on this hallowed ground 339 corpses lay rotting and decaying. What does that make you think Rick Michaels? Does that scare you? Hotstuff Hernandez, you better be scared, because Iceberg has been waiting since Hardcore Hell to get his revenge. But it's not just going to be an eye for an eye, it's gonna be 5 eyes for an eye. We'll take all your eyes!

 

Jason Cross, Oh My God, what he's gonna do to you Jimmy Rave is scar your pretty face, and speaking of pretty faces, Jeremy V you couldn't survive a regular match with Rainman, what's he gonna do to you in that cage? Onyx don't think wev'e forgotten about you, because my suprise member is going to take care of the Onyx problem once and for all.

 

You fans better bring raincoats and a plastic tarp because the blood is gonna be flowing like a waterfall and squirting like a fountain. Rick Michaels, you talk about if your team wins, you get 5 minutes with me, not gonna happen. I almost wish it was me and you in that cage 'cause I'd kick your crippled ass, but that's not the point of War Games.

 

The point is for my team to take the ultimate revenge on every single one of you. Rick Michaels, stick your nose in it, and I'm telling you now, Rainman and Iceberg have already crippled you and ended your career, so if they want to top that, all they can do is take your very life, and at War Games that just may happen.

 

(Bailey snatches up two handfuls of dirt and leaves off the ground) You see this, 339 corpses lay on this ground, and were here to soak up the stench of death. That's a motivation for us, what are you doing, tugging on rubberbands? My God, were gonna kill every last one of you! War Games, Freedom Fight 2K3, the night four Saps die in the NWA arena.

[Guest the 1inch punch]

Wildside Sucks

[Guest Phoenix Fury Legdrop]

That was ignorant.

 

Anyway, great f'n promo, as usual from Jeff G. Bailey. I HAVE to see this, and I will, eventually.

[Guest the 1inch punch]

No, Prazak and Wilson taking potshots at the WWE, who need decent announcers, and blathering about bein "The No1 pro wrestling alternative in the US", when theres less that 400 people in the building, is ignorant

[Guest GroundZeroSplash]

How pathetic and worthless your life must be, to post a meaningless insult, just to draw attention to yourself. It seems One Inch Dick would be a more appropriate name for someone who is such a loser.

[Guest ShooterJay]

From what little Wildside I've seen, it's probably the best all-around product in America- excellently written angles that just happen to have some awesome workers to carry them out.

 

And I love stuff this disturbing, it gives such a strong sense of impending doom and makes the audience by default extremely emotionally invested in the faces. No manager in America right now cuts a better promo.

Edited July 9, 2003 by ShooterJay

[Guest the 1inch punch]

How pathetic and worthless your life must be, to post a meaningless insult, just to draw attention to yourself. It seems One Inch Dick would be a more appropriate name for someone who is such a loser.

Meaningless Insult??? Right, despite the fact that I was right.

 

One Inch Dick?17 posts in and your'e calling people that?

 

Move over XPW, theres a new promotion for me to shit on.

[Guest Phoenix Fury Legdrop]

I hate getting into online arguments, because they are meaningless. But I must put my two cents in here.

 

1IP, there wouldn't be any insults thrown your way if you would just back your opinion up that Wildside "sucks", instead of throwing the comment out there, and backing it with rather hollow statements to weakly back it up.

 

First off, you complain because Steven Prazak & Dan Wilson (again, the best damn announcers this country, or any other that I'd be able to understand their language, has to offer) take potshots at WWE on-air. First off, that's their opinion. Last I checked, we were free to voice our opinions in this country. Secondly, it's their opinion, and the opinion of many, if not all of their fans. Hell, check around this board. You'll hear all of those same comments heard here (though not as witty as what Steven Prazak can come up with).

 

Next, you complain because Wildside bills themselves as the "Number One Pro Wrestling Alternative". Read into the context. "Alternative", as in alternative to the blatthering Russo-led blur that is NWA-TNA, and the 2-headed monster (that being father and daugher McMahon) called WWE. They don't claim to be them, or draw like them, or be on their level of popularity. Wildside bills themselves as the best of the alternatives in the US, and almost all of those alternatives are independent promotions. Plenty of other things bill themselves as "the best", why can't Wildside? It's your opinion whether or not you agree with the billing (personally, I agree whole-heartedly), but to say that they aren't worthy of calling themselves a "Number One Alternative" because they draw small crowds is rather pithy, if you ask me.

 

As for the small crowds, NO ONE DRAWS ANYMORE. Not WWE, not TNA, not ROH, nobody. Well, CZW does, to an extent, but they could be drawing more, if they could follow up on the stuff that draws in the larger crowds. When things are good for the top promotion in the country, everyone benefits. When things go bad for the top US promotion, it goes bad for all the little guys. That includes attendance.

 

One last thing: if you're going to crap on Wildside just because a fan of the product decided that he thought you were pathetic and worthless, then Wildside doesn't need you as a fan. Hell, if I decided to stop using the products of people who insulted me, I'd stop listening to almost all of my favorite bands, I'd stop eating all of my favorite foods, I'd stop watching TV, and the list goes on and on. See how bad your declaration was once you put it into perspective?

[Guest the 1inch punch]

to the blatthering Russo-led blur that is NWA-TNA

 

I happen to like Russo, and appreciate any wrestling protion that wants to entertain me. I'll take a 10 minute Shane Douglas promo over the Lost Boyz Spotmonkeys anyday.

 

NO ONE DRAWS ANYMORE. Not WWE, not TNA, not ROH, nobody. Well, CZW does, to an extent

 

I'm laughing too hard to point out the glaring contradiction here. I take it your'e not a CZW fan.

 

One last thing: if you're going to crap on Wildside just because a fan of the product decided that he thought you were pathetic and worthless, then Wildside doesn't need you as a fan

 

I never said i was a fan

 

 

One Last thing. When "Iceberg" debuted in ROH, the real No.1 alternative to the WWE,didnt he get laughed out of the building, and get the dreaded "dont come back" chant.

[Guest Phoenix Fury Legdrop]

I happen to like Russo, and appreciate any wrestling protion that wants to entertain me. I'll take a 10 minute Shane Douglas promo over the Lost Boyz Spotmonkeys anyday.

 

If you'd actually take the time to sit down and watch a Lost Boys match, you'd see that they're actually well-versed in psychology. They might go off the way-side and try lucha-style (and I mean a somewhat legitimate lucha-style, not a masterful display of it, but not just a bunch of guys doing a match-long car wreck spot). You actually have to watch someone's damn matches before you judge them.

 

As for TNA "trying to entertain you," TNA doesn't try to entertain anyone. All TNA is is a group of 30-somethings who realize that they won't ever be making good money up North again, so they have to get out all their frustrations while the 4 people that actually watch TNA give a flying fuck about them.

 

I'm laughing too hard to point out the glaring contradiction here. I take it your'e not a CZW fan.

 

I'll admit, CZW does draw larger-than-usual crowds to that shithole that is Viking Hall. However, those live crowds could be bigger, if CZW would start their shows on time, advertise correctly, and make building conditions better. Hell, I've read a lot of stuff at CZWFans' board, which is full of CZW supporters, who mostly agree with that statement.

 

I never said i was a fan

 

Obviously, you're not. Just pointing out how stupid it is that you decide to not like a product because a couple of its fans think you're a jackass.

 

One Last thing. When "Iceberg" debuted in ROH, the real No.1 alternative to the WWE,didnt he get laughed out of the building, and get the dreaded "dont come back" chant.

 

First off, ROH is the #1 Alternative? You can think all you want, but I don't think much of ROH besides, "hey, those are good wrestlers." Gabe can't book a damn storyline if his life depended on it. "Oooh, he won't shake that guy's hand. Boooo! Hiss!" Seriously, you'd have to be a retard to buy into what Gabe & Rob are feeding you people as storylines. There's no emotional attachment, no depth, and really, no sense made. I mean, in real life, if a guy won't shake my hand, I'll be pissed for all of 3 seconds, and then move on with my life.

 

As for Iceberg getting booed, it's not much of a lowlight when the dumbass leading them on is Hat Guy, that no-good waste of life. Seriously, there's a reason why they're called "Philly Mutants". ROH has conditioned those freaks to like little guys wearing skimpy tights, rolling around on the mat. When someone comes in completely different from the style in which they're used to, they shit on it. Doesn't tell you anything about Iceberg other than ROH really mis-handled him, and Hat Guy should die of cancer.

 

By the way, I still didn't see any concrete reasons why you think Wildside sucks.

[Guest the 1inch punch]

As for TNA "trying to entertain you," TNA doesn't try to entertain anyone. All TNA is is a group of 30-somethings who realize that they won't ever be making good money up North again, so they have to get out all their frustrations while the 4 people that actually watch TNA give a flying fuck about them.

 

Is someone a little pissed off that TNA stole Stylez and Dave Young, and DIDNT take the spotmonkeys?

 

I'll admit, CZW does draw larger-than-usual crowds to that shithole that is Viking Hall. However, those live crowds could be bigger, if CZW would start their shows on time, advertise correctly, and make building conditions better.

 

I've been to that shithole and liked it. I should point out that ECW, CZW and XPW have all tried to make improvements to the bingo hall and have all been denied.

 

First off, ROH is the #1 Alternative? You can think all you want, but I don't think much of ROH besides, "hey, those are good wrestlers." Gabe can't book a damn storyline if his life depended on it. "Oooh, he won't shake that guy's hand. Boooo! Hiss!" Seriously, you'd have to be a retard to buy into what Gabe & Rob are feeding you people as storylines.

 

First of all, ROH is the alternative because it offers something different to the storyline driven world that is WWE

 

Second of all, lets have a look at a Wildside storyline. Rick Micheals, who's crippled, comes back to this lot as the "commisioner"

 

Dave's Laws of watching wrestling include me hating commish figures

 

Anyway, Micheals comes back to the 250 people in the "arena" and feuds with Jeff Bailey, a manager.

 

Believe me, if there's one storyline thats guaranteed to make me turn off me tv, its authority vs evil manager.

 

well done guys, youv'e just lost me as a fan. again

 

 

As for Iceberg getting booed, it's not much of a lowlight when the dumbass leading them on is Hat Guy, that no-good waste of life. Seriously, there's a reason why they're called "Philly Mutants

 

Again, i've sat in Viking Hall, with Hat Guy, and the mutants, and would largely hope to be considered one of them one day, if i go back, which i intend to.

 

ROH has conditioned those freaks to like little guys wearing skimpy tights, rolling around on the mat.

 

Man i wish you'd say that in public after watching Danielsen-London, or the 1HOUR Iron Man Match, or any with Samoa Joe/Low-Ki

 

When someone comes in completely different from the style in which they're used to, they shit on it.

 

The shit on Iceberg because he's a big pile of crap who cant do anything.

 

 

Doesn't tell you anything about Iceberg other than ROH really mis-handled him, and Hat Guy should die of cancer.

 

Thats the second time you little freaks have insulted someone who has the nerve to disagree with you.

 

By the way, I still didn't see any concrete reasons why you think Wildside sucks.

 

Because i didnt give any, because your words speak louder than that. Wildside sucks because i said so.

 

Now Fuck off, CSI is on.

[Guest Phoenix Fury Legdrop]

First off, TNA can have AJ. Near the end of his regular run, he was even becoming somewhat of a hinderance to the booking process of Wildside, since he basically did all he could in Wildside, and was only there for matches off to the side. I do hate how they waste David Young, who, if he'd be allowed to let loose, is one of the more talented guys on that TNA roster. But, I don't break a sweat at night because Azrael or Gabriel aren't getting booked like crap on RussoLand TV.

 

Second, it doesn't matter what they've tried to do....a shithole is a shithole.

 

Third, ROH does do something different....puts NO effort into storylines, unlike WWE, who just puts little effort.

 

As for the commish storylines, I'll agree, they're done WAY too much. However, Wildside's done their damndest with it, and it's gotten over. Hell, Bailey and Rick are perfect adversaries for each other.

 

You say Wildside's "lost a fan" in you? They didn't lose shit. You've proven yourself not to be a fan of theirs. Yet, I do find it funny how you said you weren't a fan, but then said they lost one. Either way, you can't lose something that never existed in the first place.

 

About you wanting to be a "Mutant", trust me, you've proven yourself to be worthy.

 

I've seen most of the ROH that you've name-dropped, and while it's extremely good, so was a lot of WCW cruiserweight stuff. Did it draw my attention through emotion? No, because there was little-to-no storyline backing of it. Same with ROH.

 

Iceberg being a "big pile of crap"? Have you ever seen him wrestle? Have you ever seen his MOTY candidate with David Young from Wildside's 3rd Ann. Show in September 2002? Have you ever seen a man his size bump like he does? Geez, by the way you're talking, anyone who works his ass off is a "big pile of crap". And don't even get me started again on why that "Don't Come Back" chant is absolutely revolting, whether it be for Iceberg, or someone as lowly as ICP.

 

As for us insulting "people who disagree with us"....I know plenty of people who don't like Wildside. Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks. But most of them could back up why they didn't like Wildside. Oh, and I don't care what John "Hat Guy" Bailey agrees or disagrees with me on, he's proven himself to be enough of an asshole at shows that I, and many others, wish for his existance to be ended.

 

Because i didnt give any, because your words speak louder than that. Wildside sucks because i said so.

 

Exactly. You have no concrete evidence as to why you dislike Wildside, which deems this argument closed. If you want to continue on, go ahead, argue with yourself. It gets tiring, proving you wrong.

Edited July 10, 2003 by Phoenix Fury Legdrop

[Guest the 1inch punch]

Third, ROH does do something different....puts NO effort into storylines, unlike WWE, who just puts little effort.

Ok, maybe, youv'e heard of this country called Japan.

 

In this country, they have pro-wrestling, its called Puroresu

 

In Japanese Wrestling, there are largely no "characters" and no storylines. It's more about the competition and effort.

 

Much like ROH, wrestlers are defined by their actions. Ohtani spits at the crowd, he's a heel. Chono is anti-authority, he's a heel

 

(I know he's largely considered a face, but that's moot)

 

A good deal of Puro, is, much like ROH, little more than a technical exhibition.

 

 

Therefore, by your'e logic, Wildside is better than an Japanese wrestling

[Guest ShooterJay]

To some people, Wildside would be better than Japanese wrestling.

 

From a personal standpoint- I can't STAND puro. I don't get it, I'm not a fan of the style, and I NEED storylines to go along with my wrestling. But I respect the fact that it is held in high regard. Different strokes for different folks. Despite what some may tell you, there is nothing universally "good" or "bad" (in terms of pro wrestling at least.)

 

A major pet peeve of mine is when people bash indiscriminately with next to no knowledge of the actual product. If you're going to criticize, make it cogent, coherent and civil- the 3 C's.

 

As far as ROH storylines goes- the early ones weren't great (Hell, Homicide/Carnage Crew started over a RUBBER CHICKEN), but they've gotten better. CM Punk/Raven is Indy Feud of the Year in my opinion, and that's an ROH original.

[Guest the 1inch punch]

I was about to start an "obviously you think MMA sucks" until, i found, WILDSIDE VIDEOS ON THE NET !!!!!!!!!!!

 

So, I ran to my nearest internet cafe with a broadband connection and watched. Here's a few observations.

 

1. Jeff Bailey and Iceberg.

 

Dear Mr. Bailey, I despise Jim Cornette with a passion. Trying to be a thirdrate knock-off of him isnt gonna endear me to you.

 

Dear Mr.Iceberg

 

1. Your'e grotesquely fat. I'm sure you think that this will help you get a job in the WWE. It wont. Vince likes Hosses, not tubs of goo.

 

2. WHO IN THEIR RIGHT FUCKING MIND THINKS A VEGGIE PEELER IS THREATNING.

 

Welcome to the 21st Century, where people dont use fucking veggie peelers anymore. If I saw a person coming at me with a Veggie Peeler, i'd laugh at him. There's a reason Triple H is a threat, a fucking sledgehammer is threatning.

 

By the way, I sat through the necrophilia angle and liked it.

 

2. Wargames. There's a reason Vince McMahon (Wrrestling Genius) wont go near Wargames with a ten foot pole. Its an outdated gimmick that Hulk Hogan killed 8 years ago. Why the fuck anyone would want to watch it again, when i've got the Elimination Chamber and Foley-Ut Hell In A Cell on DVD is beyond me.

 

3. The announcers bashing every other promotion out there gets really tired,really quick.

 

4. Rick Micheals. To go off on a little tangent, I'm convinced that the bookers of this "promotion" are either

 

a: A Monkey

 

b: Iceberg. Which would explain why he gets so much attention.

 

anyway, either of these MUST watch Smackdown. Why? because obviously they saw Zack Gowen and went

 

"Hey! The WWE has got a One-Legged Circus Act on Prime Time Tv" "Let's stick this cripple on our show and lets hope no-one notices".

 

5. Dory Funk.

 

Dory fucking Funk?????????????

 

 

 

 

I'd like to point out that I'm a journalism student, and will talk until i'm blue in the face and/or people see my point of view

 

 

So there, I've now watched Wildside (although i'm not gonna do it again), and can now criticise it whatever way i see fit.

[Guest the 1inch punch]

I see that Fat Fuck managed to get himself on TNA. Good for him, maybe he can learn something from Russo (who, lets not forget, i credit as the man whpo saved pro wrestling)

[Chunk 0]

I was about to start an "obviously you think MMA sucks" until, i found, WILDSIDE VIDEOS ON THE NET !!!!!!!!!!!

Where abouts on the net did you find that for free viewing? Ive just got a broadband connection so I wouldnt mind checking that out.

[Guest the 1inch punch]

I dunno, it was in a link to something else,a nd my fucking history bar wiped at midnight so i cant remember, sorry dude

 

Try Kazaa though, thats how i watch ROH

[Guest bob_barron]

And don't even get me started again on why that "Don't Come Back" chant is absolutely revolting, whether it be for Iceberg, or someone as lowly as ICP.

 

The fans who pay money to go to a Ring of Honor show have the right to chant whatever the hell they want. Excuse them for not liking everything the product presents.

 

A few weeks before the show ROH did a poll on whether fans wanted to see more heavyweight workers. The fans voted no. So do you expect them to like Iceberg? Of course not.

 

I'm sorry that ROH fans don't like everything that's put in front of them.

[Guest the 1inch punch]

uh...Thanks Bob

 

Reason No. 48473893 why ROH Rules and Wildside doesnt...CM PUNK

 

http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?...=ST&f=2&t=36574

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I find both of you to be right and wrong in certain situations.

 

I enjoy Wildside, ROH, and TNA.

 

-Wildside blows at certain points because while they have their solid guys like The Lost Boyz, the member of TNT that's still there (not Stradlin), Young, Iceberg, Salvatore Rinnauro, Mamaluke, etc. they've got a lot of the undercard guys who pretty fucking bad and that's why Wildside is not close to being a #1 in anything. And I'm well aware of the "they're young, at least Wildside is giving them a chance." I support that, but not for a federation that'd call themselves a #1 alternative.

 

- I like Iceberg a lot as a wrestler. He and David Young have put on some great matches.

 

- TNA pisses me off for a variety of reasons, all of which are well stated in the TNA folder. Don't shit on the product just because they have a few bad points, because those thirty year olds you hate like Raven, D-Lo, and Gilberti are the ones who go out there and entertain as a sidenote to the younger guys.

 

- I go to ROH every month, and was happy to see Iceberg there. I was pissed off when the Philly mutants (who I've grown to dislike and that's why I sit upstairs near the bingo machine when I'm at VH) booed him out of the building, and I do believe they've been accustomed to booing anything that doesn't involve crazy flips, technical wrestler, or light bulb tubes. I enjoy this stuff, but I also can find enjoyment in watching anything from a Southern style tag match all the way down to a Test match, so they're obviously a lot more close-minded in what they like and dislike.

[Guest bob_barron]

I've been to several Ring of Honor shows- I do not find the fans there to be disrespectful at all.

 

They expect good fun wrestling from the product- I don't see the problem with it. Hell- they cheered a rave

[Placebo Effect 0]

I've been to several Ring of Honor shows- I do not find the fans there to be disrespectful at all.

 

They expect good fun wrestling from the product- I don't see the problem with it. Hell- they cheered a rave

That rave was fucking genius. I stayed for the whole thing.

 

For the most part, it's just a few bad apples make the rest of the crowd look like assholes. I think ECW brought the worst out in them, though they've learned to tone it down in recent years. I do feel, though, that a match like AMW vs. Diamond/Swinger wouldn't be over in Philly despite being an awesome, Southern style, tag match.

[Guest the 1inch punch]

- I like Iceberg a lot as a wrestler.

I dont, and this fuck, Phoenix, can't accept that.

 

Again, God Forbid anyone disagree with him, because hel'l call you naughty words, or state that he wants you to die from cancer.

 

This argument was fun for me until he said that. I am gonna disagree with everything you say because of that.

[Guest bob_barron]

I've been to several Ring of Honor shows- I do not find the fans there to be disrespectful at all.

 

They expect good fun wrestling from the product- I don't see the problem with it. Hell- they cheered a rave

That rave was fucking genius. I stayed for the whole thing.

 

For the most part, it's just a few bad apples make the rest of the crowd look like assholes. I think ECW brought the worst out in them, though they've learned to tone it down in recent years. I do feel, though, that a match like AMW vs. Diamond/Swinger wouldn't be over in Philly despite being an awesome, Southern style, tag match.

I think so- Tag team formula matches always get over with the crowd and I think the ROH crowd would get into it.

 

I stayed for the whole rave as well- That was awesome. I sit with the bus trip people and we always have- We make up chants, cheer for various wrestlers- the crowd is usually always accepting.

[Guest ShooterJay]

I'd like to point out that I'm a journalism student, and will talk until i'm blue in the face and/or people see my point of view

 

 

So there, I've now watched Wildside (although i'm not gonna do it again), and can now criticise it whatever way i see fit.

If this is true, you're a disgrace to the profession and I hope no one ever hires you.

 

Because at the beginning, you issued a blanket statement with no factual proof, AND THEN ADMITTED to have no knowledge of the product itself. THEN, you based the opinion of the entire product around *ONE* webcast. It's the exact same infuriating tactic newspaper often use when people criticize WWE.

 

Journalism, by definition, is unbiased reporting based on fact. This is far from it. What you are attempting, key word attempting, to do is called rhetoric. And you're failing at that, because in rhetorical debate you need a solid foundation of facts to balance your opinion on.

 

So I guess what this falls under is, huh- FLAMING.

[Guest Nevermortal]

I like RoH & Wildside. But I find RoH to be wayyyy better.

[Chunk 0]

I dunno, it was in a link to something else,a nd my fucking history bar wiped at midnight so i cant remember, sorry dude

 

Try Kazaa though, thats how i watch ROH

Ok, no worries.

 

The only thing with Kazaa is that you cant get full shows off it. The odd match is ok, but id prefer to judge the producton a whole show rather than the odd match.

 

I did actually buy Fredome fight when Styles Clash recommended it a while back, but I havent got round to watching it yet.

[Guest the 1inch punch]

Journalism, by definition, is unbiased reporting based on fact. This is far from it. What you are attempting, key word attempting, to do is called rhetoric. And you're failing at that, because in rhetorical debate you need a solid foundation of facts to balance your opinion on.

 

So I guess what this falls under is, huh- FLAMING.

Actually what it falls under is me being a prick, since i never resorted to name calling, and lets not forget,

 

I wasn't the one who said he hoped Hat Guy died of Cancer.

[Guest the 1inch punch]

Quick question, since London (ROH GUY) got signed by the WWE

 

Who was the last Wildsider to get picked up by the WWE?

 

Styles doesnt count because he turned the offer down