Guest Snappy Nappy Dugout Posted July 9, 2003 Report Posted July 9, 2003 Wow, Dj Quick and Jay, Never think I would be hearing that. It has potential to be a classic.
Guest Dangerous A Posted July 9, 2003 Report Posted July 9, 2003 Sounds interesting. I'll give it a listen at a listening station and if it's hot, I'll cop it.
rising up out of the back seat-nuh Posted July 9, 2003 Report Posted July 9, 2003 I do really like Jay-Z. But Rick Rubin? WTF?
Guest Crucifixio Jones Posted July 9, 2003 Report Posted July 9, 2003 Come on, give Rick Rubin his props. He was THE MAN behind Def Jam's early and best classics. I'm sure if Jay tapped him to do a beat, it's hot. Too bad he didn't get in contact with Marley Marl or Pete Rock.
Guest Edwin MacPhisto Posted July 9, 2003 Report Posted July 9, 2003 Good line of producers. If he's got them backing him up, all he needs to do is go it solo like on The Blueprint. No Lenny Kravitz, no mediocre posse rappers. He does that, and I'll buy it the day it's out.
rising up out of the back seat-nuh Posted July 9, 2003 Report Posted July 9, 2003 Come on, give Rick Rubin his props. He was THE MAN behind Def Jam's early and best classics. I'm sure if Jay tapped him to do a beat, it's hot. Too bad he didn't get in contact with Marley Marl or Pete Rock. Granted, but he's hardly the force he was over a decade ago.
Guest ant_7000 Posted July 9, 2003 Report Posted July 9, 2003 Damn, I know the production is going to be fire, and I heard he wants Prince to do a collabo with him. This might be a classic since Blueprint.
Guest La Parka Es Mi Papa Posted July 9, 2003 Report Posted July 9, 2003 Wow, that looks a tad bit awesome. I'll have to get me that.
Guest Edwin MacPhisto Posted July 9, 2003 Report Posted July 9, 2003 Jay-Z and PRINCE??? Okay, take back what I said about no collaborations. GIMME.
Guest Ripper Posted July 9, 2003 Report Posted July 9, 2003 I wish more Premier beats were on there. They were always a great match for each other IMO. On the other end, I don't think I have ever liked a Timberland/Jayz mix...ever...
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Posted July 15, 2003 Report Posted July 15, 2003 Neither Blueprint album was a classic and Jay-Z's last good album (album with more than 3 good songs) was Volume 3. That album was released in late 1999/early 2000. Jay-Z is the laziest, most unmotivated and most overrated rapper around right now. He steals lyrics so much that people don't even realize that he's doing it anymore. There's a girl that I'm dating right now who is a big Jay-Z fan but never really listened to Biggie. We were in her car and I decided to listen to the Blueprint. After I heard him say, "your reign on the top was short like leprechauns" and "everybody wants to sound like Hov" in the first song, I turned it off. Every song on the Curse contained plagarism and that was the GOOD half of the double album. I think I used the first half of the double album as a coaster. I don't understand how having an album with 12 producers is going to be groundbreaking shit. Doesn't everybody do that shit now? Eminem - Overrated as a producer and has supposedly produced other Jay-Z songs. Dr Dre - Produces songs on everyone's albums. Neptunes - Produce songs on EVERYONE's albums. Timbaland - Produces songs on everyone's albums. Swizz Beats - Used to produce songs for everyone before he started to suck. Just Blaze - Produces alot of songs for Roc-a-Fella. That's half of his album. How is that any different form a typical Jay-Z CD or any other CD? If he stopped copying off of people and started making good songs again, maybe he wouldn't need gimmicks to promote his damn albums. His last two albums were called the Blueprint and the Blueprint 2, a title that KRS One used already. On the Blueprint 2 he had a song called "Ni**a Please." I like how he stole the shit from ODB then signed him when he got out of jail. His next album will be the Black Album, a title that he ripped off of Metallica. I'm also convinced that the song Blueprint 2 was stolen from Metallica. Fuck Jay-Z.
Guest shlidgn90 Posted July 15, 2003 Report Posted July 15, 2003 with twelve different producers that all have different styles may not be the greatest idea in the world. i dont think the black album is going to work. btw, jay-z has not been the same since ether.
Guest Edwin MacPhisto Posted July 15, 2003 Report Posted July 15, 2003 Neither Blueprint album was a classic and Jay-Z's last good album (album with more than 3 good songs) was Volume 3 Hold up there. The first Blueprint isn't great? It's an album of great songs with good production, and an hour with one of the most confident and assured musicians in the last decade doing what he does best, without a single lousy posse rapper dragging him down. Who cares if KRS-One used the same title 15 years ago?
Guest La Parka Es Mi Papa Posted July 15, 2003 Report Posted July 15, 2003 You could call Reasonable Doubt, The Blueprint, and In My Lifetime Vol. 1 all classics, and get no arguement from me.
rising up out of the back seat-nuh Posted July 15, 2003 Report Posted July 15, 2003 I actually mark out for both the Blueprint albums. Before them, I'm not so keen...
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Posted July 15, 2003 Report Posted July 15, 2003 Hold up there. The first Blueprint isn't great? It's an album of great songs with good production, and an hour with one of the most confident and assured musicians in the last decade doing what he does best, without a single lousy posse rapper dragging him down. Who cares if KRS-One used the same title 15 years ago? I think it's overrated. The best songs on the album were Renegade and Takeover. The good production can be attributed to the most sampling on any Jay-Z album I can remember. Being confident and self assured doesn't equal being good. The posse rappers dragged down his previous album so I think it was in his best interest to exclude them from the album. I don't care so much that he copied KRS One's album as much as I care about him copying KRS One AND Metallica. For all it's worth, you might as well say, "who cares about Jay-Z stealing a Tupac song from six years ago?" I'm waiting for Jay-Z's Ready to Die album to come out next. Jay-Z is a fucking wannabe. From his lyrics down to his name, he's a fucking wannabe.
Guest Edwin MacPhisto Posted July 15, 2003 Report Posted July 15, 2003 I think it's overrated. The best songs on the album were Renegade and Takeover. Okay. I think I may understand--you're not a fan of Jay-Z's more freewheeling bits. Those are the most straight-ahead "I whoop ass, the rest of you blow" tracks on their, with perhaps the exception of "Jigga that Nigga," which is still more playful than either. The good production can be attributed to the most sampling on any Jay-Z album I can remember. I don't see this as a problem. The samples enhance the song in most cases, and I don't have a problem with someone integrating a sample into their music if they do it well. The foremost one is the sample on "Heart of the City" that makes up the chorus, and I think it works as one hell of a complement to the rest of what Jay's doing on the track. Being confident and self assured doesn't equal being good. No, it doesn't, but in this case, I think it does. It's not often that you find a rap album with an MC who's so assured in what he's doing, who isn't paranoid about the gangsta world, and who keeps such a high spirit throughout. Sure, he's objectifying women in "Girls, Girls, Girls," but what a way to do it, and how playful and winking. The stuff he does on here puts him closer to Mos Def or Q-Tip than DMX, and I think that's where Jay-Z shines. I don't think I'm going to change your opinion, but that's why I love that album.
Guest ant_7000 Posted July 15, 2003 Report Posted July 15, 2003 (edited) Pinnacle, you thought Jay last good album was Vol.3? I thought that was his worst album. If Jay did just one album disc mostly off "The Curse" side and a few songs off the "Gift" side it would've been a good album, thats why he re-released it. Jay-Z is a excessive biter, is which is why I don't consider him the best now or ever. Jay-Z is talented enough to come up with his own stuff, I thought the "Curse" was 4 mic material. As for Producers for The Black album. Eminem- His beats are too predictable, its like he makes his beats in his basement. Kanye West- He's good, most likely will do a sped up soul sample Neptunes- They're good but I think they need to fall back because they're all over the place and now their beats starting to sound the same. Just Blaze- Same as Kanye West does sped up Soul Samples but he does make good non soul sample beats. Timbaland- I don't think him and Jay have good chemistry. Swizz Beats- He was good when Ruff Ryders were at their peak with his sample free beats, then that got tired and he started to suck. But, now he has change up his style a bit and has gotten better. Edited July 15, 2003 by ant_7000
Guest Dangerous A Posted July 15, 2003 Report Posted July 15, 2003 I wonder why Irv Gotti isn't one of the producers? Oh yeah, that's right, he sucks too much!
Guest Prototype450 Posted July 15, 2003 Report Posted July 15, 2003 Eminem- His beats are too predictable, its like he makes his beats in his basement. Personally I think Eminem's beats are great. His best beats are Renagade and Patiently Waiting. I admit some of them can be a little.......plain, but it's something I'VE never heard before. Besides, Eminem's one of my favorite rappers of the last few years. As for the Black Album, I think this could be Jay-Z's best album. Yes, better than the BluePrint 1 if he does it right. Meaning that Pharell's ass should not be singing over the beats, Kayne West should not rap, and just keep 50 goddamn people from just running their mouth all over the song. It should just be.............Jay. Yep, that's the right way to say it. HOV! ha, i couldn't resist.
Guest CoreyLazarus416 Posted July 15, 2003 Report Posted July 15, 2003 RickRubin gets my instant respect for being the producer of Slayer's three finest albums.
Guest Choken One Posted July 15, 2003 Report Posted July 15, 2003 Thats about the only contribution Laz will make in a Rap Theme thread
Guest Adrian 3:16 Posted July 15, 2003 Report Posted July 15, 2003 This album won't be seeing Reasonable Doubt, I can promise you that. But it looks promising, especially compared to his half-ass double album. My only beef is that Jay should demote Swizz and replace him with RZA. As for the other producers: Eminem- very hit or miss. Always tries to go for a dark sound but ends up boring more often than not. Dr. Dre- again, hit or miss. Some of his beats on 50's album were okay, but Dre isn't what he used to be. Trackmasters, Timbaland, and Neptunes- all usually go for an overly poppy sound, hope they step their game up on this one. The rest looks straight.
Guest shlidgn90 Posted July 15, 2003 Report Posted July 15, 2003 the black album is supposed to be an prequel for reasonable doubt. wouldnt you get producers who hot back in 93 to 95. he should drop all producers who blew up after that period (neptunes, swizz, kanye west, timbaland, and just blaze) and pick up producers who were on top during that period (pete rock, rza, lord professor, q-tip, teddy riley and marley marl). that way the album would at least have an early 90's feel to it.
Guest Prototype450 Posted July 16, 2003 Report Posted July 16, 2003 Well here's hoping that the producers can provide that "Early 90's sound" shlidgn is lookin for.
Guest Ripper Posted July 16, 2003 Report Posted July 16, 2003 This album won't be seeing Reasonable Doubt, I can promise you that. But it looks promising, especially compared to his half-ass double album. My only beef is that Jay should demote Swizz and replace him with RZA. As for the other producers: Eminem- very hit or miss. Always tries to go for a dark sound but ends up boring more often than not. Dr. Dre- again, hit or miss. Some of his beats on 50's album were okay, but Dre isn't what he used to be. Trackmasters, Timbaland, and Neptunes- all usually go for an overly poppy sound, hope they step their game up on this one. The rest looks straight. Can someone please remind me of the last time RZA did a new beat. they all sound alike. He was innovative at first but they have just sounded the same for years. Unless they occured on that Bobby Digital album which I cut off to go vomit after about 3 tracks.
Guest Adrian 3:16 Posted July 16, 2003 Report Posted July 16, 2003 But wait! Puffy wants in on the action too!
Guest Prototype450 Posted July 16, 2003 Report Posted July 16, 2003 Hehe that's how most rap albums are now.............
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