WWF wrestlers from the Attitude era...

[Guest wrestlingbs]

I think it was somewhere between 1999 and 2000 the WWE began to phase out of the Attitude Era. A fresh crop of new talent settled in (Jericho, Dudleys, Angle) and the Vince Russo's Crash TV style was lessening it's grip.

 

So who's left? We've lost many, including the Godfather, D'lo, Shamrock, The Headbangers. I can only remember a few who still work for the WWE, and even less who still have their same gimmick, like Bob Holly and Val Venis.

 

Who else is there?

[Guest Mattdotcom]

Austin, Rock (kinda), Vince, Undertaker, Kane, Al Snow, Billy Gunn, Sable, and Big Show, to name a few.

 

And most of them are still the focal point.

[Mecha Mummy 0]

Matt Hardy, E & C, Austin, Rocky, Taker, Kane, Al Snow, Jacqueline, Ivory, Terri... um...

[Guest KingOfOldSchool]

Austin

Triple H

Rock

Taker

Kane

Edge

Christian

Matt Hardy

Big Show

Bob Holly

Al Snow

Val Venis

Goldust

HBK

Albert

Mark Henry

Billy Gunn

Jacqueline

Ivory

Test

Sable

Terri

Steph

Vince

[Guest The Czech Republic]

Headbangers were borderline New Generation, I thought. Didn't they come in around '96?

[Mecha Mummy 0]

Eh. They were around in the Attitude era, though.

[Guest Nevermortal]

APA. Good lord we can't forget the APA. Sometimes I'd like to.

[Guest The Czech Republic]

We gotta come up with a standard for WWF eras. Hulkamania, other stuff, New Generation, Attitude, McMahon-Helmsley, Desire, Brand Extension.

[Guest Nevermortal]

We gotta come up with a standard for WWF eras. Hulkamania, other stuff, New Generation, Attitude, McMahon-Helmsley, Desire, Brand Extension.

2002-2003: Black Hole

[Guest JaKyL25]

We gotta come up with a standard for WWF eras. Hulkamania, other stuff, New Generation, Attitude, McMahon-Helmsley, Desire, Brand Extension.

Here's the system I've always used. Each era is blown off by a match between the two biggest babyfaces of the era squaring off in the Main Event of WrestleMania:

 

"Rock & Wrestling"

Jan. '84--WrestleMania VI

 

"The New Generation"

WrestleMania VI--WrestleMania XII (Yes, the name doesn't completely fit the timing, but it does essentially chronicle the rise to power of the New Generation stars. Call it the "Enough is Enough and It's Time for a Change!" era if you want.)

 

"Attitude"

WrestleMania XII--WrestleMania X7 (I know the seeds of Attitude weren't really planted until KotR '96, but it's such a good line of distinction that I hate to ruin it.)

 

"Desire" (for lack of a better term)

WrestleMania X7--Present, predicted to end at WrestleMania XXII.

[Guest The Czech Republic]

I'd say Attitude starts with the actual "Attitude" vignettes on TV and ends with Russo's departure, when wrestling started to come to the forefront. Then that McMahon-Helmsley era takes us up throgh X-Seven and up to KOTR when the Invasion started. Then it was some downtime, followed by the Brand Extension, an era of its own.

[Guest Coffey]

I thought "Ruthless Agression" was after "Desire"

[Guest JaKyL25]

That makes a lot of sense, but going back farther, '97 is quite a grey area. Where does it fit?

 

It's definitely nothing like the "New Generation" years of '94-'96, and since the Attitude promos didn't start until Survivor Series '97, that leaves a good 10 months that need categorizing.

 

"Gang Warz" era? "Hart Foundation angle + Crap" era?

 

Also, Russo left in 9/99, correct? I would still extend Attitude up until Armageddon '99, when the McMahon/Helmsley era began on-screen. Nothing much changed from August '99-December '99, with the exception of the Tag Ladder Match.

 

I think it's fair to end the McMahon/Helmsley era at WrestleMania X7, since that's when the prologue to the Invasion really began in earnest.

 

Survivor Series '01--The Brand Extension should be called the "Boring-ass Monopoly" era. There wasn't even an ILLUSION of competiton, like with the Invasion and the Brand Extension. At least the Brand Extension has improved things since then.

 

Interesting to see how we've all adopted the "Brand Extension" corporate buzzword. I remember when it happened, everyone was determined to just call it a "roster split."

[Guest The Czech Republic]

Interesting to see how we've all adopted the "Brand Extension" corporate buzzword. I remember when it happened, everyone was determined to just call it a "roster split."

But we do it tongue-in-cheek. I personally think "my brand is better than your brand" sounds stupid and makes me think of branding irons. Jim Ross is at work!

[Guest JaKyL25]

Interesting to see how we've all adopted the "Brand Extension" corporate buzzword.  I remember when it happened, everyone was determined to just call it a "roster split."

But we do it tongue-in-cheek. I personally think "my brand is better than your brand" sounds stupid and makes me think of branding irons. Jim Ross is at work!

 

I missed that memo. I seriously adopted the lingo.

 

I'm such a tool.

[Guest Sturgis]

We gotta come up with a standard for WWF eras. Hulkamania, other stuff, New Generation, Attitude, McMahon-Helmsley, Desire, Brand Extension.

Here's the system I've always used. Each era is blown off by a match between the two biggest babyfaces of the era squaring off in the Main Event of WrestleMania:

 

"Rock & Wrestling"

Jan. '84--WrestleMania VI

 

"The New Generation"

WrestleMania VI--WrestleMania XII (Yes, the name doesn't completely fit the timing, but it does essentially chronicle the rise to power of the New Generation stars. Call it the "Enough is Enough and It's Time for a Change!" era if you want.)

 

"Attitude"

WrestleMania XII--WrestleMania X7 (I know the seeds of Attitude weren't really planted until KotR '96, but it's such a good line of distinction that I hate to ruin it.)

 

"Desire" (for lack of a better term)

WrestleMania X7--Present, predicted to end at WrestleMania XXII.

I like your system but here's what I think.

 

Rock N Wrestling began Jan 84' when Hogan won the belt, ended in Jan 88' when Hogan lost the belt.

 

Feb 88'-Feb 94'- Growing Period/Steroid Trails: The Trails ruined alot of booking so it's not fair to judge that time period.

 

The New Generation began a WrestleMania X, ended at WrestleMania XII

 

March 96'-Nov 96': The "Vince Loves Shawn" Era or "Vince loves Penis" (I hope you get the reference)

 

Attitude: Seeds were sewn in 96'-97' became official at WrestleMania XIV, ended at Armageddon 99'

 

2000: This year need a name seeing how really wasn't shades of grey because of some the awesome acion that happened that year. Began Royal Rumble, ended WrestleMania XVIII.

 

InVasion: Began March 26th 2001(Final Nitro) ended November 18th 2001 (Survivor Series)

 

2002-Present: "Black Hole Era" Began Janurary 7 2002 has yet to end.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

MY Era Idea:

 

WWWF Era - Sammartino, Backland were around along with the other earlier guys fighting for the title.

 

Classic WWF Era - Started when Hogan won the belt (01/24/84)

 

New Generation Era - Started when Bret Hart won the world title (WMX)

 

Attitude Era - Started when Austin first won the world title. (WMXIV)

 

McMahon / Helmsley Era - Started Armageddon '99, (paused during HHH's 2001 absence went back to Attitude during that point) resumed when HHH returned, ended WMXVIII.

 

Brand Extension / WWE Era - Started when the Draft happened, still going...

 

 

Would Invasion into Alliance, a five month angle, really considered an era though?

[Guest wrestlingbs]

I call April 2001 through April 2002 the Invasion era, because the NWO debuted and the roster split began right after WM X8.

 

How freaky have the APA changed. We went from Justin "Hawk" Bradshaw and Farooq Asad, to the Nation of Domination, to mindless followers of the Undertaker as the Acolytes, to the APA, to the split which gave us Cowboy Bradshaw and Mark Henry Trainer Ron Simmons, and then BACK to the APA.

[chaosrage 0]

Attitude Era was definitely around in early 97, with Bret swearing on live TV and needing to have sensors. Earlier than that too I guess, late 96 was Pillman pulling a gun out on Austin. I'd say it started in KOTR96 and lasted until Russo left. Austin pretty much defined the entire Attitude Era. I can't believe some people are saying it started after DX, that makes no sense.

[Guest geniusMoment]

Just look at Wrestlemania 14 one of the highlights of the attitude era:

First match: Battle royal pretty much everyone is gone including lod, d'lo, kama, windam, kurrgan, truth commission, sunny, cornette, bart gunn, godwinns and many others

Second match: Taka/Auguila=both gone

Third match: Hunter/Owen=one gone

Fourth match: Mero and sable/Goldy and luna=2 of them gone

Fifth match: Cactus/Funk vs. Outlaws= all four gone, at least on full time basis

Sixth match: Shamrock vs. Rock= both gone, at least on full time basis

Seventh match: Undertaker vs. kane= both still kicking

Main event: HBK vs. Stone Cold= both around but neither a wrestler anymore

Also Jarrett, Kevin Kelly, Honky tonk Man and probably others are gone.

Basically it is a complete roster turnover.

[Guest bob_barron]

Just look at Wrestlemania 14 one of the highlights of the attitude era:

First match: Battle royal pretty much everyone is gone including lod, d'lo, kama, windam, kurrgan, truth commission, sunny, cornette, bart gunn, godwinns and many others

Second match: Taka/Auguila=both gone

Third match: Hunter/Owen=one gone

Fourth match: Mero and sable/Goldy and luna=2 of them gone

Fifth match: Cactus/Funk vs. Outlaws= all four gone, at least on full time basis

Sixth match: Shamrock vs. Rock= both gone, at least on full time basis

Seventh match: Undertaker vs. kane= both still kicking

Main event: HBK vs. Stone Cold= both around but neither a wrestler anymore

Also Jarrett, Kevin Kelly, Honky tonk Man and probably others are gone.

Basically it is a complete roster turnover.

Billy Gunn is still around

[Guest Steve J. Rogers]

Matt Hardy, E & C

 

If we are talking "Same Gimmick" not sure if Hardyz and E&C belong.

 

At the end of the "Attitude" era both Hardy's were a grunge version of The Brood and I don't think E&C were themselves yet either.

 

The Terri Invitational wasn't untill the Autum of 99 when their current characters took form

 

Steve

[Guest Steve J. Rogers]

Austin

 

Same basic Character, a little more of a humorous bent and less of a non-conformist

 

Triple H

 

Character still had a bit of his D-X "Han Soloesque" quality by this time (late summer 1999) gotten alot more serious since, has been trying to get it back with his work with Flair

 

Rock

 

Same damn character

 

Taker

 

Biggest change, still the Minister of Darkness at the time of his injury

 

Kane

I think this was around the time the Kane character changed to the one we've seen before the de-masking

 

Edge

Christian

Matt Hardy

See my previous post

 

Big Show

Bob Holly

Al Snow

Val Venis

 

With the exception of Sean's RTC and Bischoff Administration excursions their characters have been the same since the "Attitude Era" began.

 

Well Snow has stopped talking to inanamte objects...

 

Goldust

 

Well when we last saw Goldie he was still doing TAFKA Goldust stuff (DustyDust, ect) and wasn't just wacky as he is now

 

HBK

 

Depends on which HBK are we talking about, the HBK that bowed out after WM XIV or the Heart Break Commish character from Summer of 97 (as a Heat broadcaster) untill disappering in 2000

 

Albert

Mark Henry

Billy Gunn

 

Only Mark Henry remains the same "character"

 

Jacqueline

Ivory

 

Still same basic characters

 

Test

 

Same un-over dude

 

Sable

Terri

Vince

 

Same, same and very much same

 

Steph

Major change since Dec 1999

Slightly different since become SD! GM

 

Isn't Scott Taylor still on the payroll?

 

Also Kurt Angle was on the payroll during the Russo era

 

Steve