Bored 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2003 8-6 with a 3.68 ERA and zero shut outs and zero complete games = All-Star? I'd also point out that Zito's record is........8-6. Yes...with a better ERA...the A's run support has been horrendous this season...just ask Tim Hudson. Hell Zito pitched eight shut out innings yesterday and gets a no decision. Oh and to add to this subject go to espn.com and they have a poll on did Clemens deserve to take Zito's spot on the roster....nearly 85% say no. In a Jack Black voice: "Woo hoo! I win one to nothing!" Wait I thought the fans wanted Clemens in the game? That's what the east coast media keeps telling us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2003 If Zito was hurt then I would not complain, but to force a guy who wants to pitch off the team when he has already been selected is terrible. The All-Star Game shouldn't be about career accomplishments, it should be about the first half of the season. Loaiza should start. He and Halladay are far and away the best pitchers in the American League this year, and Halladay is only allowed to pitch one inning. If Loaiza didn't start I would be pissed. I watch the All-Star Game to see the best players, not the biggest names. Amen. Why is it so hard for some people and especially the media to figure this out? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cpac Report post Posted July 14, 2003 I said Clemens should go because this is last year. The all star game should be one of his last hurrah's. And dont give me this maddux and glavine bs. Glavine has pitched like ass for the mets with an era approaching 5 and a horrible won-loss record and maddux got off to a bad start. Clemens would have more wins if the bullpen didn't blow most of them. He has had a good first half and should go to the all star game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2003 This is all the All Star Game- Was Clemens one of the best pitchers this midseason? No. Therefore he shouldn't go in He's 1st in Ks, and 14th in ERA. The All Star game has 12 pitchers. I don't see how his making the team is such a big problem. I'd safely rank him in the top 12 THIS YEAR. All Star Material. Should Mussina have been picked? Yeah, but bust on Hasegawa, not Clemens. Ya and his teammate Mike Mussina is 2nd in strikeouts, 7th in ERA, and better record than Clemens at 10-6. There again in lies the real problem. It wasn't about Barry Zito's availabilty to pitch it was about getting Clemens on the team in a desperate attmept to boost ratings. The real issues go back to Fox using Bud Selig as their puppet for their ideas like the homefield rule and the on player per team rule that keeps deserving players off. If you didn't have a one player per team rule maybe Clemens makes it legit. In the end I can name five pitchers who deserved to replace Zito over Clemens but its all about ratings and trying perceive what fans want. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ghettoman Report post Posted July 14, 2003 Clemens leads the league in strike outs, has a great SO's per innings pitched ratio, has an ERA thats only about .30-.40 higher than Mussina, and the Yankees have only averaged 2 runs a game in his losses. Not the best, but it's his last year and his numbers are no where near bad or not as far off from Zito's as you'd like to think Bored. It's certainy not the tragedy your making it out to be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted July 14, 2003 It's not a matter of how a big a travesty it is or isn't. Zito is having the better year, and he should of a say in whether or not he's avaialble to pitch in the game. By the way Hudson should of made it over Zito in the first place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EL DANDY~! 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2003 As long as we're talking about people undeserving to be there... uh...Hideki Matsui much? SOMEBODY explain why he must be there...his stats haven't proven a thing to me this year... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted July 14, 2003 He was voted in by the fans. Really not much you can do about that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted July 14, 2003 That's not a problem with the fan voting per se, but it does indicate a problem with the way its handled. People from Japan shouldn't decide the starters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted July 14, 2003 Loaiza should start. He and Halladay are far and away the best pitchers in the American League this year, and Halladay is only allowed to pitch one inning. If Loaiza didn't start I would be pissed. I watch the All-Star Game to see the best players, not the biggest names. I don't think the All Star game should be about the names, but it should take more than three months to become an All Star. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted July 15, 2003 Off the subject of Clemens but on the subject of how its all about ratings...how is Dusty Baker allowed to DH Barry Bonds? Of course the theory is he wants Bonds to play the whole game but one problem...he was voted a starting outfielder! Now of course they don't vote the DH spot in the N.L. (and I don't think they should bother with it in the A.L. since anyone can DH) but never before has this been allowed where a player voted in is allowed to DH. Also because of this Baker is allowed to start Jim Edmonds in centerfield giving the N.L. a huge advantage. Now why hasn't Selig and MLB said wait you can't do that? Because of ratings. Fragile Bonds gets to play the whole game now instead of getting dressed and leaving early like he normally does. But this time it counts dag nabbit! What a joke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted July 15, 2003 Oh c'mon now. The NL had no centerfielder in the lineup. Bonds last played center in '91. Gary Sheffield has NEVER played centerfield. Neither has Albert Pujols. Among those three guys, you're going to appoint a centerfielder? That's ludicrious. But of course, its not about common sense, its about ratings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted July 15, 2003 Yes...with a better ERA...the A's run support has been horrendous this season...just ask Tim Hudson. Actually, the best thing to ask Hudson about is the reliability of Keith Foulke. Hudson would have four more wins had Foulke not blown four saves in games he started. Incidentally, those are Foulke's only blown saves the whole year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted July 15, 2003 uh...Hideki Matsui much? SOMEBODY explain why he must be there...his stats haven't proven a thing to me this year... Let's see... he's hitting over .300, is on pace for about 50 doubles and 120 RBI in his first major-league season? Start there. Add in the fact that he's played out of position in CF since Bernie Williams has been hurt, and has done a bang-up job there for a natural LF not blessed with tremendous speed. I'm sure the Japanese internet voting pushed him into the starting lineup, where I don't think he deserves to be, but I think anyone who says he shouldn't be on the team at all should put the crack pipe down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted July 15, 2003 Oh c'mon now. The NL had no centerfielder in the lineup. Bonds last played center in '91. Gary Sheffield has NEVER played centerfield. Neither has Albert Pujols. Among those three guys, you're going to appoint a centerfielder? That's ludicrious. But of course, its not about common sense, its about ratings. Ummm since when did every year you get a common left, center, and right fielder voted as starters? Funny I just saw the '94 game on ESPN Classic last night and Tony Gwynn started in center. They pointed out how Gwynn hadn't played center in over five years. Also just last year Vladimir Guerrero started in center for the N.L....he'd played TWO games in center previously in his career! Two years ago Luis Gonzalez started in center for the N.L. despite only playing nine games in center in his career and none in three years. Almost every year this happens and you can't just go and change the rules at the drop of a hat. Bonds was voted a starting outfielder and he should play in the outfield. Isn't that common sense? It is more about protecting little fragile Bonds and ratings than it is about having someone play out of position in center. But your right its not about the ratings...ITS BECAUSE THIS TIME IT COUNTS BAH GAWD~! God I pray for a tie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted July 15, 2003 Good points on the previous centerfielders. Still, just because its been done before, doesn't mean it has to be done now. I wish I had thought of it in my column, but what really should be done is that centerfielders be separate on the ballot. Asking a career corner outfielder to play center is like asking a third baseman to play short. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest nl5xsk1 Report post Posted July 15, 2003 God I pray for a tie. Any chance of rain tonight in Chicago? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted July 15, 2003 There were pretty bad thunderstorms up here last night. Alot of the times the weather we get, goes down to Chicago. I'm pretty certain Matshui played CF in Japan. Maybe not full time, but he has experience. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LatinoHeat Report post Posted July 15, 2003 Matsui didn't play CF in Japan. BASEBALL MUST HAVE SOME NERVE TO INVITE ONE OF THE BEST PITCHES OF OUR ERA TO THE ALL STAR GAME. Shut up. Just shut the fuck up. This is the 2003 all-star game, not the lifetime all-star game. Clemens numbers this year are shit. Clemens should not be taking a deserving young pitcher like Zito off the team because it's his last year. Pedro is far more deserving to be on the team than Clemens. Fuck Clemens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cartman Report post Posted July 15, 2003 Yes...with a better ERA...the A's run support has been horrendous this season...just ask Tim Hudson. Actually, the best thing to ask Hudson about is the reliability of Keith Foulke. Hudson would have four more wins had Foulke not blown four saves in games he started. Incidentally, those are Foulke's only blown saves the whole year. Speaking of bullpen blowing games for star pitchers. Pedro Martinez would be in there with a record of 11-2 if it wasnt for the Blowpen here in Boston screwing him out of 5 wins. Martinez > Clemens > Zito Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 15, 2003 Wasn't Zito already not going to be playing anyways? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted July 16, 2003 Shut up. Just shut the fuck up. This is the 2003 all-star game, not the lifetime all-star game. Clemens numbers this year are shit. Leading the league in strikeouts = shit? I hate the Yankees as much as anyone here, but you can't deny that Clemens is still a good pitcher. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted July 16, 2003 Yes...with a better ERA...the A's run support has been horrendous this season...just ask Tim Hudson. Actually, the best thing to ask Hudson about is the reliability of Keith Foulke. Hudson would have four more wins had Foulke not blown four saves in games he started. Incidentally, those are Foulke's only blown saves the whole year. Speaking of bullpen blowing games for star pitchers. Pedro Martinez would be in there with a record of 11-2 if it wasnt for the Blowpen here in Boston screwing him out of 5 wins. Martinez > Clemens > Zito Oh Pedro ownz the rest of the league. He still should of made the team reguardless of how many wins he has. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted July 16, 2003 Matsui didn't play CF in Japan. He had experience playing CF. Joe Morgan mentioned during the Yankees/Mets game about a month back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JasonX 0 Report post Posted July 16, 2003 You know BORED your right. Why should a guy with 300 wins, 4000 strikeouts, 6 cy youngs, 2 world series rings, 1 mvp and a member of the all century team be invited to the all star game in his last year. BASEBALL MUST HAVE SOME NERVE TO INVITE ONE OF THE BEST PITCHES OF OUR ERA TO THE ALL STAR GAME. May all of the suits at Fox and Bud Sehlig burn in hell for having some nerve. Bored your taking the all star game far too seriously. It is just an exhibition game!!!! Wait I'm taking it too seriously? Wait isn't Fox and MLB telling everyone that "this time it counts"? Now who's really taking it too seriously? If it really counts put Mike Mussina or Gil Meche on the team. Fox only shilled that "This Time It Counts" BS because the All-Star Game usually doesn't do good in the ratings and they want big ratings for it... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
