Armando Benitez On His Way To The Bronx ?...

[Guest alkeiper]

25% is his percentage this year. Go back four years (including this year) and Benitez has blown about 12% of his save opportunities. Mariano Rivera's figure? 12%.

[Guest undisputedjericho]

I don't think anyone will have a problem with his performance.  He can easily be the Rivera to Rivera's John Wetteland.

Rivera was DOMINANT that season, he came in like the top 5 Cy Young voting for a set-up man, which is unheard of. Nobody can be like Rivera in '96, the guy was money, which Benitez is not. Benitez can't carry Mo's jockstrap.

 

All the money Stieny has put into this team, and he's going to be pulling his weave out thanks to this jackass come September.

Edited July 17, 2003 by undisputedjericho

[Guest Anglesault]

25% is his percentage this year. Go back four years (including this year) and Benitez has blown about 12% of his save opportunities. Mariano Rivera's figure? 12%.

Who the fuck cares about what he used to do. I care about what he's doing now, blowing 25% of his saves and choking in big games.

[Guest undisputedjericho]

Yankee Stadium hated him as a Met...he comes out of that bullpen tonight, and he's gonna get booed out of the city.

 

Rivera came in 3rd in the '96 Cy Young voting.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

Yankee Stadium hated him as a Met...he comes out of that bullpen tonight, and he's gonna get booed out of the city.

 

Rivera came in 3rd in the '96 Cy Young voting.

So what if he does. If he pitches well and helps the Yankees. The fans will change their mind about the guy.

[Guest Anglesault]

Yankee Stadium hated him as a Met...he comes out of that bullpen tonight, and he's gonna get booed out of the city.

 

Rivera came in 3rd in the '96 Cy Young voting.

Everyone hated him as an Oriole as well. That's what started it.

[Guest alkeiper]

Who the fuck cares about what he used to do. I care about what he's doing now, blowing 25% of his saves and choking in big games.

 

Ok, where's the cut off. If last year doesn't count, why should April count? That was three months ago.

[Guest alkeiper]

Another thing, as long as Benitez is better than Jason Anderson, this is a good trade for the Yankees. He can't possibly be worse than Juan Acevedo (or is it Jose?).

[Guest treble charged]

Actually, Acevedo's been pretty decent for the Jays since they picked him up off of waivers.

 

The bullpen still sucks, though.

[Guest Anglesault]

Who the fuck cares about what he used to do. I care about what he's doing now, blowing 25% of his saves and choking in big games.

 

Ok, where's the cut off. If last year doesn't count, why should April count? That was three months ago.

What about the three blown saves in the last month?

[Guest alkeiper]

He gave up two runs or less all three times, and the Mets won two of those games.

[Guest Anglesault]

He gave up two runs or less all three times, .

He still blew it.

 

and the Mets won two of those games.

 

No thanks to him. They were winning before he showed up.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

Why are you arguing about Benitez's numbers as a closer. That's not what he's doing with the Yankees. He's in much less pressure packed situation know, and people should wait to see how he performs.

[Guest Anglesault]

Point taken.

 

Still, a big game fuck up is a big game fuck up any way you slice it.

 

Those will be is true tests.

[Guest the pinjockey]

Actually people like Benitez, who have the closer mentality, seem to do worse in the no pressure situations. Take Jose Mesa for example (an extreme case I know), if he comes into the game with a two run lead, it is a given that he will let in at least one run. Sometimes guys like that need to be pushed to the razor's edge.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

Benitez was a setup man for the Mets. He's been a closer the last couple years but he does experience in the role.

[Guest Some Guy]

I don't care about this deal one way or the other. The Yanks will either get a good set up guy or a 3 month bust and then walk away a few million dollars poorer. I tend to think and hope that he'll be a bust.

 

I don't think he has the right mentality to be a set up man even though he's said he'll do it for Rivera. He's way too emotional and his ego is too big to play second fiddle.

 

BTW, UndisptuedJericho a blown hold is actually counted as a blown save. I'm still not even sure what exactly a hold is. I know the basic idea but not all of the rules about what is and isn't a hold. I guess since it isn't a real stat it doesn't really matter.

[Guest alkeiper]

Quite simply, a hold is when you enter the game in a save opportunity, record at least one out, don't blow the lead, and don't finish the game.

[Guest DrTom]

Rivera was DOMINANT that season, he came in like the top 5 Cy Young voting for a set-up man, which is unheard of. Nobody can be like Rivera in '96, the guy was money, which Benitez is not. Benitez can't carry Mo's jockstrap.

How about giving Benitez a chance to pitch in the setup role before you write him off as a waste of skin? Rivera certainly had a ridiculously good season in 1996, which effectively made the Yankees' games seven innings long, but Benitez could also prove quite effective in that role. He's shown repeatedly that he can come into games and get big outs. Give the man a chance before you write this off as a bad deal, and Bentiez off as a bad player because of one bad month.

[Guest Anglesault]

We were less than pleased with his outing tonight (I was at the game) to say the very least.

 

We would have booed his useless ass off the field if they hadn't sneakily started Mo's music early.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

I still wouldn't worry. If Benitez sucks. He just won't pitch. It's not like Steinbrenner hasn't made trades for bad relievers in the past.

[Guest Anglesault]

One that was universally hated by the Yankees, Yankee Fans and anyone remotely involved with the Yankees?

 

*(Clemens is a starter and that worked itself out anyway. )

[Guest treble charged]

Personally, I think that Torre should leave Benitez in the game until he has given the other team a 4 or 5 run lead. At least, that's what I'd do...

[Guest Anglesault]

Personally, I think that Torre should leave Benitez in the game until he has given the other team a 4 or 5 run lead. At least, that's what I'd do...

Not Unheard of for him to do that.

 

Well, actually, no. I just start to panick at first sign of collapse, so when he takes the guy out at a reasonable point, I always think it's too late.

 

Honestly, with Benitez, he played it pretty well tonight.

 

Took him out real quick, not allowing Benitez enough time to totally self destruct and ruin what work Friday might have accomplished in accepting him.

[Guest alkeiper]

We were less than pleased with his outing tonight (I was at the game) to say the very least.

 

We would have booed his useless ass off the field if they hadn't sneakily started Mo's music early.

 

I watched the Phillies game today, and saw an amazing phenominon (especially for the Philly fans). Pat Burrell came to bat. Burrell is hitting around .200, and has been lambasted in the press. He comes up with two guys on base. The fans' reaction? Cheers. Massive cheers. Instead of booing, the fans got behind Burrell, encouraging him to come through. And true enough, Burrell responds with a double. And another round of applause.

 

The lesson? Benitez, like it or not, is a Yankee. Live with it. Get behind him. He's got the ability, and he just might deliver.

[Guest Anglesault]

The lesson? Benitez, like it or not, is a Yankee. Live with it.

Life sucks.

 

Get behind him.

 

Maybe I an transport all my power into him like Hulk Hogan in a bearhug.

 

I don't like him. He's done enough for me to feel justified in not liking him.

 

If he performs well, I'll cheer him.

[Guest Vern Gagne]

AS. Why are getting so worked up over this. The past with Benitez is just that the past. These are adults, they should be able to put aside past differences, and welcome Benitez has a teammate. He might suck, but he isn't the begin all...end all for the Yankees.