Guest alfdogg Report post Posted March 31, 2002 I know a lot of you say that 1wrestling is full of shit, but I got this from them: Reports are circulating that Rob Van Dam is not very happy in the WWF because he is not getting very much wrestling time. When RVD's three year contract expires it is believed he will not resign. Paul Heyman has been seen on many occasions telling RVD how important it is for him to remain in the WWF. In this case, I certainly hope you are all speaking the truth about 1wrestling... And if this is true, HHH, I hope you're happy... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BA_Baracus Report post Posted March 31, 2002 Since when is 1wrestling full of shit? They're almost always right. They're the most credible source out there (or at least as credible as any other source). RVD originally didn't want to come to the WWF unless they let him work 7 minute matches consistently. When was the last time he got to work a 7 minute match? Hell...his Wrestlemania match wasn't even 7 minutes! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alfdogg Report post Posted March 31, 2002 *I* didn't say it was, but I have seen a lot of people say that they are, though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest muzanisa Report post Posted March 31, 2002 Where would he go? He hates Japan. If he doesn't sign (I believe he still has two years on his contract) and goes back to the indies then I think we can safely assume that the WWF is not a good place to work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 31, 2002 Fuck you, Hunter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Tha Cunnysmythe Report post Posted March 31, 2002 How is this Hunter's fault? Even the main events are barely given seven minutes! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebear Report post Posted March 31, 2002 maybe that's why he ended up with all the bigger guys... while nwo/kane/taker have thier mevents and do 5 minute main events on raw... rvd/booker t and the wrestling part of talent on the RAW roster can be putting on 10 minute matches... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Northern Lights Brainbuster Report post Posted March 31, 2002 I think 1Wrestling is probably right, i mean you can actually imagine RVD wanting to leave given the current situation in the WWF. I never said 1Wrestling was full of shit either, im just sick of the muthafuckin ads they inflict on their visitors. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 31, 2002 How is this Hunter's fault? Even the main events are barely given seven minutes! Hunter's the one who did everything in his power to fuck Rob. Or maybe he just "coincidentally" got depushed starting January 7th? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Report post Posted March 31, 2002 Don't start with this bullshit again. RVD was never really pushed in the first place, so don't blame HHH for any depush. A depush requires a push first. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 31, 2002 You must have missed that world title feud that ended January 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Northern Lights Brainbuster Report post Posted March 31, 2002 RVD pinned Steve Austin, The Rock, The Undertaker, Booker T, Chris Jericho, Kane, Kurt Angle and Tajiri (when he was at his peak with the fans). He main evented vs Austin and Angle in October. He was one of Jericho's first challengers for the Undisputed title in a refreshing and enjoyable main event on Raw. And you say, "What push"? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mystery Eskimo Report post Posted March 31, 2002 I don't see how anyone can argue RVD wasn't depushed. Before HHH, feud with Jericho. After HHH returns, feud with William Regal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 31, 2002 I don't see how anyone can argue RVD wasn't depushed. Before HHH, feud with Jericho. After HHH returns, feud with William Regal. Actually, it was Test and Goldust. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly Report post Posted March 31, 2002 RVD pinned all of those people, but he was never put in the spotlight. They never pulled the trigger on him turning on Austin, they stuck him in the 3 way dance at the last second, which really was a feud between Angle and Austin and a RAW title shot doesn't necessarily equal a big push. Remember Jericho's RAW title shot in 2000? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Northern Lights Brainbuster Report post Posted March 31, 2002 Anything that enhances the quality of ones opponents and the level at which theyre performing can be considered a push, no? In basic geezer terms, for RVD to be receiving World title shots and be pinning headliners in the first place is a push from his debut as "Just another invader". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 31, 2002 The Raw title shot WAS OBVIOUSLY leading somewhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Northern Lights Brainbuster Report post Posted March 31, 2002 And also, you bring up Jericho's title shot in 2000. That could be considered a title shot but not a push, or it could be considered as a push followed by a burial. I mean HHH is a smart man, he probably saw the reaction Jericho got from that match and made sure he spent a year in midcard for being more popular than "The Game". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest muzanisa Report post Posted March 31, 2002 I'm not 100% sure that HHH has such control that he decides who does or doesn't get pushed (I can see it happening don't get me wrong, but that assumes that Vince is a complete fuckwit, which again isn't outside the realms of possibility) what's happening with RVD seems to be what happens with a lot of guys who come in, Test, Jericho among them if you want comparison at both ends of the scale. Big push to start hanging around with the big boys in the main storylines and then in the midcard for a while cool off the push so that people can get used to you and you don't get the blue chipper eric Watts syndrome. Jericho's has gone on too long now and if he feels that he's being held back I don't blame him. I could see HHH wanting to hold him back as well, he's a blond,cocky funny heel who can work a really good match. But if HHH's ego was that big I don't think he'd see Jericho as a threat. Of course there is the possibility he has a huge inferiority complex but unless anyone on here is a trained psychologist I think we should leave that alone. RVD on the other hand was just another Invader who got over by working a style that was new to WWF fans and with his laid back demeanour and interactive thumb pointing. In the WWF he's always going to be slightly watered down. He has to be more careful in matches, can't do some of his signiture spots and can't be the proud stoner; hell he's the whole damn show in the WWF. Everything I've ever read about RVD says that he has a huge ego and really does think he's the dog's bollocks. He's a veteran and is a proven draw albeit for a much smaller company. If he's unhappy he'll walk (cue theme) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Northern Lights Brainbuster Report post Posted March 31, 2002 Another good theory is that HHH suggests to the bookers that new big things work with him personally for a while to "help them out" (when HHH is really rubbing from their popularity), and then dumping them and moving on when theyre watered down to midcard as you say. Jericho v HHH was one of the highlights of 2000, until Y2J got more over than the Game, and was feuding with XPac and Kane while HHH headlined as the man who tried to kill Austin. The Radicalz were the talk of the town when they arrived, and what do ya know, Triple H was hanging with them. Is he keen to work with Saturn or Malenko in recent months, with Dean as a heatless cruiserweight on the verge of retirement, and Saturn as a mop-weilding jobber-potatoing loon? Rikishi and others also got put though this method with Triple H, and the only one who is thriving now is the one who was the star in the first place. I thought you were meant to give those below you the helping hand up? HHH would get shot in Japan for his influence on the program. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest papacita Report post Posted March 31, 2002 I honestly think RVD got pushed to the Main Event too soon. I mean, 2 PPVs after his debut he's main eventing for the world title. Anything after that is pretty much gonna seem like a de-push. I realize he's got a lotta fan support and what not, but he should really be allowed to work the mid-card for a while and gradually work his way up. Like the Rock in 98 or something like that. Plus the fed needs a good midcard storyline in the first place, so it works out for the better as far as I'm concerned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Northern Lights Brainbuster Report post Posted March 31, 2002 What the midcard needs is Lance Storm in the thick of it. I mean the man has proven he knows how best to portray Edge and RVD in the ring, two people who the WWF have tried to make seem at least great top-midcarders. Why the hell have him losing to the Big Valbowski on Heat? Why the hell are Venis and Storm, two cool IC Champion heels in recent years, on Heat in the first place? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 31, 2002 Why has Venis' name been changed to The Big Valbowski? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Northern Lights Brainbuster Report post Posted March 31, 2002 Probably to try and garner more interest in him. I mean, that "Put them on TV, give them storylines, let them win matches and have them enjoy title reigns" malarkey never worked, did it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RetroRob215 Report post Posted March 31, 2002 Since no one else is saying it, 1Wrestling is full of shit. Anyway one remember how many times Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels have "cameback" to the WWF in the last 2 years? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RickyChosyu Report post Posted March 31, 2002 Since when is 1wrestling full of shit? Since Ryder predicted Bret Hart would lead the WCW Invasion. Hey, someone had to say it. As for HHH holding Rob down, I doubt all blame can be placed on him. From the beginning, there were tons of "rumors" posted on 1wrestling about the "boys in the back" disliking Rob, and whether or not you even believe anything off of that site anymore, you still can't blame everything on Hunter. Also, RVD's been getting the de-push treatment, but that doesn't mean he won't re-sign. Like it's been said before, he has no where else to go. As usual with 1wrestling, I would take this with a grain of salt. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted March 31, 2002 As for HHH holding Rob down, I doubt all blame can be placed on him. From the beginning, there were tons of "rumors" posted on 1wrestling about the "boys in the back" disliking Rob, and whether or not you even believe anything off of that site anymore, you still can't blame everything on Hunter. . Who else can you blame that came back on January 7? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted March 31, 2002 They pulled the plug because they thought Jericho was failing as champ. That's why they went with Rock and Austin, RR and NWO respectively. RVD was going to have to receive a de-push after the rumble anyways, and I'm guessing that would have been HHH's fault too. I've seen no solid evidence pointing that way, but the WWF Booking Team's shaky faith in Jericho make it seem like they were trying to put Jericho over the big boys in an attempt to salvage what they thought was a failed reign. Now if there's any conclusive eveidence that HHH was involved in RVD not getting a title shot at Royal Rumble, I'd like to see. Seriously, is Jericho going to look more credible beating RVD in screwy fashion or Rock in screwy fashion at Royal Rumble. But even if RVD would have lost at Royal Rumble, he would have been de-pushed and the bitching would still be going on, and if the shoe fits... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted March 31, 2002 Is the Brian the only voice of reason in these stupid RVD/HHH threads? Some of you need to stop sucking down each other's man juices and get some different viewpoints. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted March 31, 2002 Best But Team Member. Adding nothing to threads since 2002. So...anyway... here is the RVD story: He was brought in as a part of the alliance. The angle was tanking and yet people were going nuts for RVD. So the WWF did the only logical thing it could do...pushed him. RVD's push WAS far too early and too much...but the WWF used him to try and get the Alliance angle over. It made for some good tv (the RVD/Austin stuff with the alliance) but the angle was pretty much DOA. So the angle ends...and RVD still has the Hardcore strap...thus not having to leave (because the WWF knew that RVD was too popular and too important to have him miss TV) Interestingly...he is the only new guy (WCW guys, Dreamer & RVD) who were brought in who DID NOT leave tv for any length of time. RVD drops the HArdcore title to Taker...and this is where the question must have finally been asked. WHat do we do with him now? He was pushed to beat guys like Austin, Rock, Angle, Taker and Jericho...so...do we make him a main eventer...? Well..he started a program with Jericho. The crowd thought that Van Dam had won the belt to a HUGE pop...(think HHH winning at Mania then multiply it by 100). Then Van Dam comes out on Smackdown with a change in character...he interrupts a Jericho promo and the announcers play up RVD's new "Focus" he is no longer the laid back RVD. RVD goes to challenge JEricho and finds Storm instead...so he beats him. The smackdown before January 7, Van Dam is in a tag match against Jericho...and the announcers play up the "unfinished business" between the 2. BAM! January 7. RVD curtain jerks against Test. He spends the next two months in pointless tag matches with Edge, and even more pointless 6 man tags with the Hardys. But he is still over. Not to mention the reports that RVD's pops are being edited. (A quick note on that: The first report that the pops were being edited came on the Smackdown after the Rumble. It should be noted that on the Raw after the Rumble, RVD curtain jerked in a 6 man tag to a HUGE pop...and HHH interrupted a Jericho promo to FAR LESS..even though HHH had won the damn rumble...Sign #1 to the WWF that HHH probably should not win the title at Mania...but I digress) Let's look at RVD's ppv track thus far: vs. Jeff HArdy at Invasion (RVD is over about 5 seconds into the match( vs. Hardy at Summerslam vs. Jericho at Unforgiven (by know RVD has been out popping Jericho, and the rest...and soon RVD chants would surface in his Raw match with the Rock) vs. Austin & Angle at No Mercy (MAin Event) Elimination match at Survivor Series (Main Event) Vs. Taker at Vengeance (the biggest match on the card outside of the mini-tourney) So what happens at the Rumble? The first ppv after January 7? RVD comes out to a huge pop. And gets eliminated in 2 minutes...to the biggest heat of the night. The guy was that over. So what happened? A: He was pushed too hard too fast as a result of his being the only thing over in the Alliance. B: He was de-pushed too hard too fast after making fans beleive this guy as a credible threat. Then the RVD ship rights itself. He beats Goldust at No Way Out...and wins the IC belt (the exact spot where I beleive he should be right now) at WrestleMania. But does RVD have a right to be pissed off? Perhaps. He knows how over he is...he hears it every time he goes out there. He also knows that with some TV time, a high profile feud, a push and some merchandise...he could be making a ton of money. But he's not. And the thing about Jericho and the rumble...it certainly seemed that they were heading towards RVD vs. Jericho (hell...they had weeks of build on it...and then the Rock got a shot by beating Booker T in a #1 contenders match?) I understand that there is more backstory with the Rock...but...um...Jericho already beat him twice. And the RVD feud was super hot...I don't know what Jericho gained by having beaten the same 2 people again (Rock and Austin) that he already beat to become the champ. And as it stands...RVD won the first match of the feud...and there was no blow off. I think that Jericho would have benefited greatly from beating someone new... And BBTMS2002..."Some of you need to stop sucking down each other's man juices and get some different viewpoints." What does that mean? Only your viewpoints are valid? What are your viewpoint? You only reply to things to stray off topic and insult people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
