Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 25, 2003 Who would ever need the fucking box score to a Giants/Cubs game in July of 1978? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted July 25, 2003 Well I've used to find boxscores to games I went to when I was younger. I found the boxscore to the very first baseball game I ever went to on May 11, 1986 between the A's and Red Sox because I remembered the final score: http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B05110OAK1986.htm Hell could look up the day you were born and see who did what that day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 25, 2003 Good God Damn Point...I'll do that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted July 25, 2003 Someone get Larry Walker and Todd Helton off the list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 25, 2003 Well COORS FIELD certaintly wasn't an X-Factor but it will be. Helton needs to leave Colorado if he wants to prove he can hit. Although I am sure his Road Record isn't all that shabby either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted July 25, 2003 Helton is around a .300 hitter on the road. The hr and bi numbers are down dramatically has well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 25, 2003 How long has Walker played? And how much was in Colorado... His numbers are good but COORS tarnishes that severely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted July 25, 2003 Definite Roger Clemens - 300 wins, 4000 K's (3rd all time), 6 Cy Youngs (all time leader), MVP, 2 WS titles Mariano Rivera - near 300 saves, 4 WS titles, may be most dominant closer of all time when it's all said & done Randy Johnson - near 4000 K's (4th all time), 4 or 5 Cy Youngs, 1 WS Title Rickey Henderson - all time leader (SBs & Runs), Multiple WS titles Barry Bonds - 640+ HR (4th all time), 5 or 6 MVP's Cal Ripken, Jr - 2100+ consecutive game streak (all time leader), MVP, Rookie of the Year Mark McGwire - 500+ HR, WS title, Olympic gold medal Sammy Sosa - 500+ HR, 2 MVP's Clemens: You betcha. He's a lock. Rivera: No way. Saves are a worthless stat, and he hasn't pitched enough innings to matter in the big picture. Johnson: Yeah, he's in. Rickey: Lock. Bonds: The HOF should be burned to the ground if he's not on the first ballot. Ripken: See Bonds. McGwire: I think the .201 average he had one year damns him as much as the supplements. He'll get in, but not the first time. I'd put him in, but I wouldn't exaclty circle his name with a great deal of enthusiasm. Sosa: Uncertain. The corking incident might hurt him, as well as the perception that he's a product of a power-dominant era. Since he hasn't hit many homers that mean a shit, I'd probably keep him out. Good Chance Derek Jeter - Stellar defense & mind for the game (You put Ozzie Smith in, you put DJ in), All Star & WS MVP, Rookie of the Year, 4 WS Titles Alex Rodriguez - Doesn't he have like 300 HR already? Nomar Garciaparra - Near mirror of A-Rod, with a little lower HR total, Rookie of the Year Rafeal Palmiero - 500 HR, though nothing else stands out (I'm against letting him in) Mike Piazza - Top offensive catcher, all time Greg Maddux - 250+ wins, 4 Cy Youngs Frank Thomas - nearing 400 HR I believe, 2 MVPs Jeff Bagwell - 400 HR Roberto Alomar - Stellar defense, OB%, runs scored, RBI, BA Ken Griffey, Jr - "Best Player of the '90's", MVP John Smoltz - Second life as dominant closer, Cy Young winner Pedro Martinez - 2 or 3 Cy Youngs, dominant K master Jeter: Stellar defense? YES must replace all his plays with footage of Ozzie Smith, then. If he gets in, it'll be for his offense at the position. A-Rod: He's in if he keeps it up. No-MAH: The same. Palmeiro: I see him in the same boat as Sosa. It's hard to argue with 500 HR, though, and he doesn't have a corking incident working against him. I think he'll get in. Piazza: Should sail in on the first ballot. Maddux: Ditto. Thomas: If he gets 500 without taking a shit on his average, yes. Bagwell: Maybe. I'm not enthused, but I'd put him in amidst a weak class. Alomar: First ballot fellow. Griffey: The same. Smoltz: If he gets 250 or so saves to go along with his record as a starter, yes. Pedro: Injuries have hurt him. It depends on his numbers when he retires, but I think he has a decent chance. Outside Chance Tom Glavine - approx 250 wins, Cy Young, WS title John Franco - 2nd all time in saves Omar Vizquel - Stellar defensive SS David Cone - only 196 wins, Cy Young, 5 WS titles Glavine should have a good chance (unless he sucks for the rest of his tenure with the Mets); the other three should only get in if they buy a ticket. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted July 25, 2003 Walker had a couple of good years with the Expos before he went to the Rockies. Things to remember also that will help is he did win an MVP in '97 and he's won seven gold gloves. Oh and for those who may have been wondering Molitor and Eckersley are eligible for next year and will be the likely HOF class of 2004. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest DrTom Report post Posted July 25, 2003 Some other names that have sparked conversation in this thread: Tony Gwynn: Duh. First ballot. Paul Molitor: Also an easy inclusion. Wade Boggs: Gwynn was the better hitter, IMO, but Boggs should coast in, too. The Eck: For his record as a starter and reliever, yes. Barry Larkin: I don't see the Larkin love, really. Sure, the guy was a heck of a player, but Hall material? I don't know about that. Larry Walker: Helped too much by Colorado. Todd Helton: Still young enough to shake the Colorado stigma, but he needs to do it soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest treble charged Report post Posted July 25, 2003 Well I've used to find boxscores to games I went to when I was younger. I found the boxscore to the very first baseball game I ever went to on May 11, 1986 between the A's and Red Sox because I remembered the final score: http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B05110OAK1986.htm Hell could look up the day you were born and see who did what that day. My dad was watching this game when my mom went into labour. She came into the living room and my dad told her to wait until after Gary Carter was finished his at bat. I was born the next day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted July 25, 2003 Hmmm do you know what inning it was? I see from the play account Carter had a two run double in the 1st. To add I see the double was hit to Tony Gwynn and knocked in Tim Raines and Andre Dawson...good time to go into labour. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 25, 2003 Damn....No Game for me when I was born. That seriously sucks (Jan. baby here) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted July 25, 2003 October 1, 1978 the day I was born: http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/10011978.htm The final day of the season as the Red Sox beat the Blue Jays 5-0 and the Yankees lose to the Indians 9-2 to to set up a first place tie. The next day was the divisional playoff game where Bucky Dent hit the infamous homerun that would win the game for the Yankees and continue the curse. I actually went to school with a nephew of Bucky Dent...he was a douche bag. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted July 25, 2003 I went to this game at a younger age. But, when somehow, I didn't stay all 9 innings. Sammy Sosa will be a first-ballot guy, especially if he does as I predict and hits 700+ home runs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest phoenixrising Report post Posted July 25, 2003 Someone brought up how Rafael Palmeiro and Harold Baines might be hurt by playing a good chunk of their careers at DH (Baines, at least - Palmeiro still plays a lot of first base). How about Paul Molitor? He was a great hitter, but he did a lot of his damage as a DH, cause he kept getting hurt when he played the field. On the other hand he does have 3,000 hits, which is still seen as a major milestone and an automatic Hall of Fame berth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest phoenixrising Report post Posted July 25, 2003 Here's my list: Definite Roger Clemens - 300 wins, 4000 K's (3rd all time), 6 Cy Youngs (all time leader), MVP, 2 WS titles Mariano Rivera - near 300 saves, 4 WS titles, may be most dominant closer of all time when it's all said & done Randy Johnson - near 4000 K's (4th all time), 4 or 5 Cy Youngs, 1 WS Title Rickey Henderson - all time leader (SBs & Runs), Multiple WS titles Barry Bonds - 640+ HR (4th all time), 5 or 6 MVP's Cal Ripken, Jr - 2100+ consecutive game streak (all time leader), MVP, Rookie of the Year Mark McGwire - 500+ HR, WS title, Olympic gold medal Sammy Sosa - 500+ HR, 2 MVP's Good Chance Derek Jeter - Stellar defense & mind for the game (You put Ozzie Smith in, you put DJ in), All Star & WS MVP, Rookie of the Year, 4 WS Titles Alex Rodriguez - Doesn't he have like 300 HR already? Nomar Garciaparra - Near mirror of A-Rod, with a little lower HR total, Rookie of the Year Rafeal Palmiero - 500 HR, though nothing else stands out (I'm against letting him in) Mike Piazza - Top offensive catcher, all time Greg Maddux - 250+ wins, 4 Cy Youngs Frank Thomas - nearing 400 HR I believe, 2 MVPs Jeff Bagwell - 400 HR Roberto Alomar - Stellar defense, OB%, runs scored, RBI, BA Ken Griffey, Jr - "Best Player of the '90's", MVP John Smoltz - Second life as dominant closer, Cy Young winner Pedro Martinez - 2 or 3 Cy Youngs, dominant K master Outside Chance Tom Glavine - approx 250 wins, Cy Young, WS title John Franco - 2nd all time in saves Omar Vizquel - Stellar defensive SS David Cone - only 196 wins, Cy Young, 5 WS titles Future HoF'ers (Too soon to tell) Albert Pujols - All Star, Rookie of the Year, Triple Crown contender Mark Mulder } Barry Zito } The stellar "Big 3" Zito has a Cy Young Tim Hudson } Ichiro Suzuki - Blazing speed, defense, OP%, BA Vladimir Guerrero - THE 5 tool player Alfonso Soriano - Amazing blooming offensive stats for a 2B Jason Giambi - Nearing 300 HR, blooming as a superstar in NY Anyone else you think should be here? Wanted to share my thoughts on your picks... Definite: Agree on all, they all should be first ballot Hall of Famers. Where's Tony Gwynn though? Molitor has 3,000 hits, that's usually an automatic selection. Rivera will be interesting, since there's only a couple of relievers in the Hall (Fingers and Wilhelm). Good Chance: Personally I think A-Rod is a definite, and will go down as the greatest shortstop of all-time. Provided he doesn't start getting lots of injuries like Griffey. Maddux should be a definite. I think Bagwell will have to put up a few more good seasons in order to draw serious attention. I think Dennis Eckersley has a good chance, being baseball's most dominant closer for several years. Outside Chance: Outside of Glavine I can't see the others making the Hall. Maybe Vizquel, but he's not as popular as Ozzie Smith was. As was mentioned before in the thread, there are better relievers than Franco that aren't in. And Cone was done in by his arm injuries. Future: I like Ichiro, but his late start means he'd have to be putting up these numbers till he's 40 or so in order to get a sniff. I'd even throw Todd Helton in here, sure he plays in Coors but he's putting up some gigantic numbers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 25, 2003 Bagwell needs more years? He retires next season! At what he said. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted July 25, 2003 No Bagwell said he's retiring when his contract runs up...after 2006. He'll earn $45 million over the last three years of his contract so no way he's walking out on that. Oh and here's another great site, this one being for baseball contracts: http://www.bluemanc.demon.co.uk/baseball/m...lbcontracts.htm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 25, 2003 Eh...I could've sworn I heard him say "I will retire at 2006"...Ah curse my bad ears! curse them! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted July 25, 2003 Do any of these sites have a list of milestones, and other accomplishments on the day you where born? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 25, 2003 I'm CERTAIN Baseball-Reference will because it has everything else... < Pissed. No Baseball played on his birthday. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted July 25, 2003 Bagwell needs more years? He retires next season! At what he said. I'll always pimp for Bagwell. The guys been my favorite player since 1994. I think by the time he retires he'll be a lock. He was the best 1st Basemen in the National league for at least 6 years. He drew alot of walks, which is why the hit total isn't has high. The OB, and Slugging are excellent. He was solid defensively, and might of won at least one gold glove. Another one is Craig Biggio. He should be close to 2500 hits by the end of the season. Jeff Bagwell said the other day that, Biggio will play be "forever". If Biggio is only like 525 hits from 3,000. I think it's possible he'd like to reach that milestone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 25, 2003 It only takes how long to hit 500 hits? 3 years? Maybe? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted July 25, 2003 That would be like a 167 a year. Right around what Biggio averages per year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted July 25, 2003 Bagwell's in. He's got a .400+ OBP, 400 Home Runs, and almost 200 steals. Plus, many comparable players are in already. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CanadianChris Report post Posted July 25, 2003 Bagwell's in. He's got a .400+ OBP, 400 Home Runs, and almost 200 steals. Plus, many comparable players are in already. He's the best first baseman of his generation. That alone should get him in. And this: http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/B07110TOR1987.htm is the first game I ever attended, at old Exhibition Stadium in Toronto. Got to see Bo Jackson and George Brett play, and see Bret Saberhagen and Jimmy Key both throw complete game 3-hitters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MaxPower27 Report post Posted July 25, 2003 My first game Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shawn 5 Report post Posted July 25, 2003 Besides a World Series Championship, what has Barry Larkin done that Ryne Sandberg hasn't done equally good, if not better. Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Sandberg been eligible for a couple years now and still not in? He's one of the best fielding and hitting second basemen EVER. He's won a home run crown, an MVP, and was a multi-time All-Star. If the World Series is the only thing that's keeping him out, then I say exclude ALL deserving Cubs, and even Red Sox players for that matter. The guy was the best second baseman in baseball until Roberto Alomar hit his peak, and that was a good decade run as the best at his position. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest alkeiper Report post Posted July 25, 2003 Ryne Sandberg's first year of eligibility was this year, and he received 49.2% of the votes. I think Sandberg should be in the Hall as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
