Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 25, 2003 So What was the Match of the year this time? Let's keep in Local fellas...at least to start... My Top 5 1. Bret Hart V Owen Hart Summer Slam Cage Match 2. HBK Vs Razor Ramon Wrestle Mania Ladder Match 3. Bret Hart Vs Owen Hart Wrestle Mania Match 4. Cactus Jack and Maxx Payne Vs Nasty Boys-Spring Stampede 5. Ric Flair Vs Ricky Steamboat-Spring Stampede Any others? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BAR Report post Posted July 25, 2003 U.S.A. 1. Owen Hart vs. Bret Hart - WWF WrestleMania X 2. Razor Ramon vs. Shawn Michaels - WWF WrestleMania X 3. Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart - WWF SummerSlam 4. Ric Flair vs. Ricky Steamboat - WCW Spring Stampede 5. Cactus/Sullivan vs. Nasty Boys - WCW Slamboree Everything 1. Owen Hart vs. Bret Hart - WWF WrestleMania X 2. Great Sasuke vs. Wild Pegasus - NJPW Super J Cup 3. Art/Eddy vs. Santo/Octagon - AAA/IWC When Worlds Collide 4. Mitsuharu Misawa vs. Toshiaki Kawada - AJPW (3/6/94) 5. Razor Ramon vs. Shawn Michaels - WWF WrestleMania X Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bravesfan Report post Posted July 25, 2003 Bret/Owen, from Summerslam. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Betty Houle 0 Report post Posted July 25, 2003 I'd go with Bret-Owen (WMX) or Michaels-Razor (WMX). The Bret-Owen cage match was quite good but no where near on that level. Art/Eddy vs. Santo/Octagon is good but even further away from that level. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted July 25, 2003 Misawa/Kawada 6/3. End of conversation. 10 years of a promotion's history in one match between two athletes at the top of their game who had been feuding for years, with everything executed and paced perfectly. Quite possibly the best match ever. Now, the second best match of 94 I find more debatable...you've got the Bret/Owen feud, and Shawn/Razor from the WWF, and Benoit/Sasuke out there. Wasn't Hokuto/Kandori also in 94? If so, then that's it in my book, if not.. I go with Bret/Owen from WMX, then Benoit/Sasuke and Shawn/Razor in fourth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest eiker_ir Report post Posted July 25, 2003 i go with Bret-Owen at WMX Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BionicRedneck Report post Posted July 25, 2003 US: Bret/Owen Overall: Misawa/Kawada Wasn't Hokuto/Kandori also in 94? Nope. 1993 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted July 25, 2003 Bret v. Owen from Wrestlemania is the greatest match I've ever seen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Retro Rob Report post Posted July 25, 2003 1. Bret-Owen (Mania) 2. Cactus/Sullivan-Nasties (Slamboree) 3. Shawn-Razor (Mania) 4. Bret-Owen (SummerSlam) 5. Flair-Steamboat (Stampede) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Askewniverse Report post Posted July 25, 2003 1) Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart- WrestleMania X 2) Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart- SummerSlam 3) Shawn Michaels vs. Razor Ramon- WrestleMania X 4) HBK & Diesel vs. 1-2-3 Kid & Razor Ramon- Action Zone 5) Ric Flair vs. Ricky Steamboat- WCW Saturday Night Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted July 25, 2003 Bret/Owen at Mania. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dangerous A Report post Posted July 25, 2003 Misawa/Kawada 6/3/94 Owen/Bret WMX Sasuke/Benoit Super J Cup Michaels/Ramon WMX Liger/Sasuke Super J Cup Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CanadianChick Report post Posted July 25, 2003 I can only judge for US, seeing as I haven't seen much outside of the US. Saying that, I say Bret/Owen from WM X. Just a great match with no cheap finishes or garbage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest HartFan86 Report post Posted July 25, 2003 Bret/Owen @ Mania. Easy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 26, 2003 The Mania Match was great but I always thought the Drama and Emotion of Summer Slam put it *just* above the Mania match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest nWoCHRISnWo Report post Posted July 26, 2003 The Mania Match was great but I always thought the Drama and Emotion of Summer Slam put it *just* above the Mania match. I agree. The WM X match seemed like they were in a competition and the Cage match at SS seemed like an emotional battle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Aero Report post Posted July 26, 2003 I'd go with Bret-Owen from WM X. I see HBK-Razor almost on the same level, but Owen's win was quite a swerve for me. I'll just mention that I've only seen the Bret-Owen Cage match ONCE, and that was years ago, so I barely remember anything about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BionicRedneck Report post Posted July 26, 2003 How was the WM X match "competition" and the cage match an "emotional battle"? Seriously. Are you suggesting that Bret and Owen were just competing at Mania and had no real emotional involvement? because if you are that is trash. The Mania match was as much an "emotional battle" as the cage match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CanadianChris Report post Posted July 26, 2003 The ladder match was head and shoulders above everything else in 94, for being a great match and being revolutionary at the same time. The two Hart brothers matches were a notch below, and would have won had either been from the year previous or the year following. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bps "The Truth" 21 Report post Posted July 26, 2003 I would argue that the Mania match was a more emotional battle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest godthedog Report post Posted July 26, 2003 How was the WM X match "competition" and the cage match an "emotional battle"? Seriously. Are you suggesting that Bret and Owen were just competing at Mania and had no real emotional involvement? because if you are that is trash. The Mania match was as much an "emotional battle" as the cage match. up until the last few minutes, there isn't the same intangible desire to win that you can sense in the summerslam match. just looking at the way they fight, it looks like there's a LOT more at stake--they both do everything in their power to win, the intensity never lets up, and you can taste it. they even turn something as boring and potentially stupid as trying to crawl out through the door, and make it into a tooth-and-nail dogfight. the sheer WILL to win in those sequences alone is just enormous. i think of the WM match & the cage match as 2 sides of the same coin: WM as more cerebral, cage match as more primal. at WM they're more subtle, using speed and strategy and trying to outsmart each other. at summerslam their hearts are on their sleeve, there's biting and screaming, it's about as basic as it can be. the flow, tone and timing in both is pretty flawless, i think it's just a matter of personal taste. i prefer the cage match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Big McLargeHuge Report post Posted July 26, 2003 Bret/Owen @ WM X. My favorite match ever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest nWoCHRISnWo Report post Posted July 26, 2003 What godthedog said. In the Cage match, it seemed like their lives depended on winning the match. As a viewer I had the feeling that they put their ALL into winning, and winning meant everything. No way WM X had that same feeling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted July 26, 2003 I wouldn't say that. Owen was FINALLY getting his shot against his hot-shit brother that everyone loved, and Bret was just doing what he does best (which also at the same time completely validated most of the beefs Owen had). It's an awesome story, and the match seemed like they were actually trying to be BETTER than their opponent, and not just "win the match." I don't like the cage match as much mainly because of the stips, which I detest. Fair? Not really, but it's something that bugs the shit out of me. Both matches are absolutely everything they should have been and THEN some, but the complexity, and novel approach to an old concept in WMX puts it above Summerslam for me. That said, 6/3/94 is way better than either one. I'm not trying to sound all "American wrasslin'? FIE! These Japanese gentlemen are so much BETTER, and you are dumb." ..Just that you really owe it to yourself to see this. On its own, it's fantastic..with the backstory, it doesn't really get any better. It's worth whatever you have to pay to get it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CanadianChris Report post Posted July 26, 2003 How kind has time been to the Bret/Owen SummerSlam match? That match finished TWENTIETH in the RSPW voting for match of the year. Their WM match finished 3rd, behind the ladder match and Flair/Vader from Starrcade (which fell in the voting period). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 26, 2003 The Drama and Emotion STILL stands the test of time and In my opinion matches like The Ladder Match hasn't stood the test of time like this. It's even more emotional seeing the entire family there having fun. Who gives a fuck what RSPW says? I LIKED THE CAGE MATCH MORE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CanadianChris Report post Posted July 26, 2003 And that "standing the test of time" argument underscores the pointlessness of this exercise. You can't go back and debate what was or wasn't a great match in 1994 with any objectivity, because you've got nine years of other stuff happening since then that clouds your judgment. It's like going back and debating the Oscars from 20 years ago. I was one of the voters back in 1994, and I voted for the ladder match because, while Bret/Owen was great, the ladder match was great AND innovative AND groundbreaking -- and had a really good storyline to boot (Shawn/Razor arguing over who was the real IC champion). The fact that the standard of what a great ladder match is has changed doesn't change that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ray Report post Posted August 25, 2003 Toshiaki Kawada vs. Mitsuharu Misawa - 6/3/94 Chris Benoit vs. Great Sasuke - 4/16/94 Benoit/Ohtani vs. Sasuke/Guerrero - 10/9 and 10/16 Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart - Wrestlemania 10 Art Barr/Eddy Guerrero vs. El Hijo Del Santo/Octagon - WWC Kawada vs. Steve Williams - 4/16/94 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tawren 0 Report post Posted August 25, 2003 People often mention the WMX duo (Bret/Owen and HBK/Ramon) but I feel that those matches are very overrated. Only other contender left is basically Bret Hart vs Owen Hart, Cage match from SummerSlam 1994. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
