Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 28, 2003 According to my local News...Jim Bowden and Bob Boone will be fired by noon today... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Human Fly Report post Posted July 28, 2003 Oh yes, Yes, YES! Happy days are on their way again. Sportsline said that Bob Miley will take over the rest of the year, and thank goodness for that. I wonder who we will get for a new GM, but it can't be any worse. I'm going to go check out Fire Bob Boone and see what they have to say about the good news. Yes! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted July 28, 2003 (edited) "As reported, Knight will manage today and Miley will be interim manager rest of the year. Knight will become third base coach and hitting coach after today, with bullpen catcher Mark Berry becoming bench coach." Boone, you SOB, you ruined Kansas City from 1995 to 1997, get the hell into retirement. various Boone tidbits "Okay, now I've seen firsthand what all the Bob Boone-bashers are ranting about. Reds-Giants last night, sixth inning, runner on third, one out. He pinch hits with Griffey, who can't run. Naturally the Giants walk him, he needs a PR, and Boone has burned two players without Griffey getting a chance to swing the bat. Then, with first and third, one out, and BARRY LARKIN (3-for-3, plus he's Barry Larkin) at bat, he decides it's just the time for.... a double steal. With a catcher, LaRue, on third. I admit it almost worked, in fact it might have been a bad call at the plate, but still, geezus. Oh, I almost forgot -- before the double steal attempt, Larkin fouled off a bunt try on the first pitch. Not a squeeze, no runners were moving, and it didn't look like he was really bunting for a hit either, since he sort of semi-squared. Joe Morgan said of all this, "I have to admit, I don't understand what's going on down there."" "Stynes major impediment will be his manager. Chris Stynes does nasty things like get on-base, make contact with a baseball, and play decent defence - things which Bob Boone just will not tolerate. Unless he gets at least two hits every chance he gets, I'm sure Bob has him projected as Craig "useless slug" Paquette's towel boy." One alt.sports.baseball.kc-royals post suggested Boone put Johnny "Throws like a girl" Damon in RF, which is just laughable. You know that if I knew Unfrozen Caveman Centerfielder was in right field, I'd try to score from first base every time. Bob Boone being hired is the worst thing to ever happen to Bob Hamelin. August 21, first game of the doubleheader. The lineup versus Givens of Milwaukee (LHP): bats BA/OBP/SLG vs left Gagne, ss r 256/326/372 Joyner, 1b l 274/312/299 Gaetti, 3b r 213/308/457 Vitiello, dh r 286/375/457 Cookson, lf r NA Howard, 2b s 194/237/222 Nunnally, rf l 179/258/393 (28 ab) Mercedes, c r NA Goodwin, cf l 273/326/318 Hmm, okay, so maybe they just really suck versus lefties. Which would explain why they didn't score any runs off of Givens. But really, Gagne leading off, Joyner #2? A cross between a lineup toy and personal favors (David Howard 6th? Man, those must be some pictures). Edited July 28, 2003 by Rob E Dangerously Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 28, 2003 Why does Rob always gotta throw in his Royal Love in the Reds related threads? Anyways...I'm happy to see Boone gone and still unsure about my thoughts on Bowden but i'm equally sad realizing once again! we are "rebuilding" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted July 28, 2003 Why does Rob always gotta throw in his Royal Love in the Reds related threads? I'm sure that Boone being fired by the Royals has nothing to do with anything in your POV. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gert T 0 Report post Posted July 28, 2003 I'm surprised Moneybags Lindner would pay Boone & Bowden for the rest of the season! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 28, 2003 Not really...You could have just said "He sucked when he managed the royals" and left it there instead you went ahead and gave us stats for some random game... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 28, 2003 I'm surprised Moneybags Lindner would pay Boone & Bowden for the rest of the season! what? Aw fuck that... He won't penny up for a pitcher but doesn't mind paying ass fuck? (boone) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gert T 0 Report post Posted July 28, 2003 Hey I really don't like Boone and especially Bowden, but I think Carl likes the idea of owning the team, but not really when it encompasses the total environment of a baseball team. Talented players, scouting departments, etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 28, 2003 we have players just not pitchers... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gert T 0 Report post Posted July 28, 2003 True, I think I saw a stat, I don't remember the exact numbers, but besides Wagner, the Reds last 6 1st or 2nd round pitchers haven't made it past AA. Can the Reds try to acquire a pitcher who is not going to be a FA next year. I know the Ponson rumor was back in May or June, but they didn't want to give up Dunn or Kearns. Isn't Brad Penney a FA next year? Also as well as the Marlins are playing now that can not happen. Choken, what position players would you be willing to trade to bring some pitching in? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 28, 2003 Aaron Boone can join his father. Adam Dunn Yes...I know he will wind up a HUGE breakout star with another team but jesus christ the guy isn't doing much good batting .201. Just trade four of those Utility players (Castro, Braynan, Lopex and Taylor) and get a B pitcher. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest geniusMoment Report post Posted July 28, 2003 Not only did we fire boone and bowden. We also fired our hitting coach tom robson and our 3rd base coach tom foli. In other words complete turn over. Bowden take your stupid leather chaps and your 20 years younger girlfriend and take WWE's advice and get the F out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest geniusMoment Report post Posted July 28, 2003 Next I am starting a website called fire John Allen and Carl Linder. Four down and two to go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 28, 2003 You can't fire Carl Linder... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gert T 0 Report post Posted July 28, 2003 Aaron Boone can join his father. Adam Dunn Yes...I know he will wind up a HUGE breakout star with another team but jesus christ the guy isn't doing much good batting .201. Just trade four of those Utility players (Castro, Braynan, Lopex and Taylor) and get a B pitcher. Aaron is probably going to have some interesting interviews within the week. I agree about Dunn, I just have a feeling he will never hit above .250-.275. Right now I shudder to think what he would be batting if he didn't draw so many walks. He probably will be a huge star somewhere else, but I'm sure the Reds could get a decent package for him. I would probably TRY to trade Jose Guillen merely looking from the standpoint, that the Reds can probably not offer him want he will want after the season. (Money & playing time) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest geniusMoment Report post Posted July 28, 2003 I am hoping to get Linder to sell the team to someone who gives a damn. Linder says he didn't buy the team to make money just break even. Well guess what since the new stadium has been built the value of the franchise has risen to 3x the amount he paid for it. He has made over 150 million off the reds. How come no local guys like Andy Furman or bill cunningham or seg dennison ever call him on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Bosstones Fan Report post Posted July 28, 2003 I agree about Dunn, I just have a feeling he will never hit above .250-.275. Right now I shudder to think what he would be batting if he didn't draw so many walks. Are you sure you stated this right? Walks don't count in batting average. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 28, 2003 I am hoping to get Linder to sell the team to someone who gives a damn. Linder says he didn't buy the team to make money just break even. Well guess what since the new stadium has been built the value of the franchise has risen to 3x the amount he paid for it. He has made over 150 million off the reds. How come no local guys like Andy Furman or bill cunningham or seg dennison ever call him on it. they are still preoccupied with Mike Brown Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest geniusMoment Report post Posted July 28, 2003 Reds Win. Getting that crap off their back must have inspired a victory. Even Aaron has to be secretly happy, as his dad sucks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted July 28, 2003 ah the score? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted July 28, 2003 What's the record of teams the first game after they fire their coach? They always seem to win. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Swift Terror 0 Report post Posted July 28, 2003 I have no admiration for Boone and Bowden (good riddance), but firing these guys is like firing Dave Shula, Dick LaBeau, Bruce Coslett...who gives a shit, it's not going to solve anything. If these jerks (Allen and Lindner) were really concerned with putting a winning team on the field they would have gotten some help. Allen said in his press conference that the Reds were once at 2 1/2 games out so they are close to being a winning team...well then, why didn't you and Uncle Carl procure the help that was needed to get them over the hump? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gert T 0 Report post Posted July 28, 2003 I agree about Dunn, I just have a feeling he will never hit above .250-.275. Right now I shudder to think what he would be batting if he didn't draw so many walks. Are you sure you stated this right? Walks don't count in batting average. Sorry if there wasany confusion, yeah I realize that. I think Dunn has a great eye and pitcher's repsect his power, but I just don't think he'll be able to hit in the .300's. And what I meant by my last statement, was that if he didn't draw so many walks he'd be whiffing at a lot more. Sorry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Human Fly Report post Posted July 29, 2003 I want to know why Teflon John Allen is still around? He's part of the problem and needs to go as well. That being said the Reds are out of it and need to clean house. Guillen should go because they aren't going to be able to afford him. Williamson can go because he is arbitration elligible and we have Ryan Wagner or Danny Graves to fill in for him, Aaron Boone can go because he has some value and we have Brandon Larson who can play 3B, Gabe White can go too because we can get something decent for him as a lot of playoff teams need LHP bullpen help. Edit - Aaron Boone is up for arbitration as well. If we get rid of Boone and Williamson that will free up big cash. Gabe White makes a pretty penny as well. And don't forget that we get out of Barry Larkin's 9 mil. a year deal this offseason. I know Paul Wilson will make 3.5 next season (exhibit A in the People of Cincinnati v. Jim Bowden) but I think we could still get a good pitcher with the dough we would save. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Grand Slam Report post Posted July 29, 2003 I agree with you Fly, as much as I like Aaron Boone as a player, and have always been a fan of Williams and Graves work (mostly when he was closing), I think that we need to make some sacrifices to get this team the SP it needs to compete. Trading Guillen now while he is tearing up the opposing pitchers is a great idea. He won't be around next year one way or another, we might as well get something for him. My only concern there is that, in hindsight, it might be another Paul O'Neill debacle. And I think you are dead on about Larkin's contract. My guess is they will renegotiate in the off-season to get it down quite a bit since Barry has been pretty public about having a vastly reduced role next year. My biggest worry there is that the MLBPA will get pissy about it and lean on Barry to keep him from renegotiating. Which is too bad. Larkin is getting a lot of flack from local fans for his contract and injuries, but I think they are forgetting the fact that he was probably the best SS in the league for years and a pretty stand-up guy at that. Besides, as the last link to the 1990 World Champions, it will be sad for a long-time fan like me to see him go. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted July 29, 2003 And I think you are dead on about Larkin's contract. My guess is they will renegotiate in the off-season to get it down quite a bit since Barry has been pretty public about having a vastly reduced role next year. My biggest worry there is that the MLBPA will get pissy about it and lean on Barry to keep him from renegotiating. Renegotiate? This is MLB not the NFL and there is no such thing. The closest thing to renegotiating is talking about a contract extension. All contracts in MLB are guarenteed and you can't lower a player's salary to fit your needs. Not saying its right but its the way it is so the Reds are stuck with Larkin's deal unless they trade him. Edit: Wait isn't Larkin's deal over after this season? Okay nevermind they could just re-sign him at a smaller salary and at his age no one is going to throw big money at him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Grand Slam Report post Posted July 29, 2003 I forgot about the guanteed contract thing in MLB. And I think you are right about Larkin. Trading him now would be a bad, bad idea. Let him retire as a Red, so when he inevitably goes into the Hall of Fame, he goes in as a Red. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest kkktookmybabyaway Report post Posted July 29, 2003 (edited) Even if the Reds were able to trade him, Larkin would still have to go in the Hall as a Red Stocking... Edited July 29, 2003 by kkktookmybabyaway Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vern Gagne Report post Posted July 29, 2003 Which is too bad. Larkin is getting a lot of flack from local fans for his contract and injuries, but I think they are forgetting the fact that he was probably the best SS in the league for years and a pretty stand-up guy at that. Besides, as the last link to the 1990 World Champions, it will be sad for a long-time fan like me to see him go. I don't think people have forgotten how great a player Barry Larkin was. However you can't live in the past, and Larkin was the past. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
