Shane's not the bad McMahon at all

[chaosrage 0]

You must be or maybe you don't know what selling means in carny talk.

And if they are using Shane to be the sacrificial lamb in a quick match for next week's RAW then it will be ok, but if it is to set up a SS match instead of RVD getting his heat back by almost getting killed by Kane at RAW then the angle is already going down the crapper. Kane going over Shane at the ppv won't get him over as a monster heel(since he already is) because Shane is a non-wrestler and people already know he isn't going to win

 

Just going over him won't, but a vicious beatdown will. It doesn't matter if they know he's going to win. How else do you explain Goldberg?

 

if anything make Kane have a streetfight match with RVD(someone the fans still think might have a chance of winning and needs a big match like this to rejuvenate his career again), make them both look strong and have Kane destroy RVD by almost "killing" him again so this could set up a feud down the line with (i hope) the world title on the line. At this point Shane should be use as a defenseless jobber to make Kane look unstoppable.

The problem is RVD isn't strong enough for either one to gain anything from that. Build Kane up as a monster first, and when it comes time for them to fight, it'll make RVD look better.

Edited July 29, 2003 by chaosrage

[Guest Retro Rob]

While you might care to debate that Kane wasn't selling, I don't think you can disbute that Shane was more effective than either Austin (which is fine, since Steve isn't wrestling) or RVD (which isn't).

Shane was more effective than RVD because he was using a STEEL CHAIR and hit Kane FROM BEHIND.

 

As for the "selling", there is nothing to debate because it didn't happen.

[chaosrage 0]

While you might care to debate that Kane wasn't selling, I don't think you can disbute that Shane was more effective than either Austin (which is fine, since Steve isn't wrestling) or RVD (which isn't).

And I don't think anyone can argue that Shane had more desire to beat down Kane. He tried to kill one of his family members for christ sakes. How can anyone compare it to RVD or Austin? You guys make it sound like he just came back one day and decided to beat up Kane for the hell of it.

[David Blazenwing 0]

Shane looked amazingly good out there tonight. 

 

I am torn on the Shane issue.  As much as I love him, I know his presence can deprive wrestlers of valuable tv time.

 

I'm personally not worried about Shane depriving any wrestlers of TV time. In all of WWE, Shane 'O Mac is probably my favorite personality. I hope he DOES have a match at SummerSlam. I hope he DOES take a match away from a "deserving" wrestler. Yeah, that's right! You heard me!!

 

No, Shane is not a wrestler. However kane attacked his mother, thus he had a reason to be there. I understand the purist point of view, but this is WWE, and storylines are there. Deal with it, or just watch ROH like normal people.

 

Shane DID NOT HURT KANE. He tackled him over the ropes. Kane was taken over by momentum, and got right back up once Shane got off of him. Shane then hit him with the chair 3 or 4 times, none of which took Kane down or had him selling in any other way besides staggering a little. Big deal.

 

Then he fell off of the stage, the same bump that took "normal man" Eric Bischoff completely out of it for two weeks. Kane sat up after ten seconds. For those ten seconds, he was "selling" the fall, if anything.

 

Kane then laughed, 100% completely unaffected by absoutely anything Shane had just done. Shane gets to do it for vengeance and on adrenaline, but didn't score one significant blow.

 

And for the record, Shane is the best McMahon. While he's there, he's entertaining more often than not. And when he wrestles, it isn't an embarrassment. Criticise the style all you want, it works, and is worthy of TV time.

 

Plus, it's Raw, who is he taking TV time away from? Rodney Mack? I'll take Shane thanks.

 

I really like this guy

[Guest Anglesault]

As for Shane being on the PPV instead of a wrestler. Does RVD really need to get squashed again?

Is being left off his third PPV in less than a year somehow good for Rob's career?

 

Who the hell misses Wrestlemania AND Summerslam and is still worth anything?

[Guest Anglesault]

While you might care to debate that Kane wasn't selling, I don't think you can disbute that Shane was more effective than either Austin (which is fine, since Steve isn't wrestling) or RVD (which isn't).

And I don't think anyone can argue that Shane had more desire to beat down Kane. He tried to kill one of his family members for christ sakes. How can anyone compare it to RVD or Austin?

He tried to kill RVD!

[Guest Retro Rob]

As for Shane being on the PPV instead of a wrestler.  Does RVD really need to get squashed again?

Is being left off his third PPV in less than a year somehow good for Rob's career?

 

Who the hell misses Wrestlemania AND Summerslam and is still worth anything?

I'd rather he take some time off and come back in a few weeks with a clean slate. As for Shane or RVD, Shane has more of a reason to fight Kane than RVD does as of RIGHT NOW. Kane tombstoned Shane's mother. Yeah he chokeslammed RVD, big deal.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Yeah Kane's such a monster. He needed Vince McMahon to pull Shane off of him. Yeah what a badass.

And Vince needed to go over Gowen to retain his heat for more matches!? THE MAN SHOULDN'T WRESTLE AT ALL!!!!

 

Yeah Shane does big bumps. I don't know where everyone gets "Shane has great matches" because honestly those matches suck. The only good thing about them is Shane bumping like a freak. And he does that because if he hurts himself he can just take 6 months off to rest no problem. Meanwhile the normal wrestlers have to wrestle 4 days a week so they can't be doing the BS Shane does. So he gets over and nobody else does. Yeah it's a damn shame.

And does nobody remember the Invasion? Where Shane was making wrestlers cower to him? Yeah that's not bad at all!

Seriously you guys need to take your "i'm an anti-smark defiant badass. I'm so cool." goggles off and realize how shitty Shane actually is and how he has NO PLACE WHATSOEVER on a wrestling TV show.

 

Oh and RVD has no reason to wrestle Kane? Umm....the guy told him he hates him, treated him like shit, and then tried to murder him. Yeah I'd have no reason to wrestle him either after he did all that to me!

[Guest Anglesault]

As for Shane being on the PPV instead of a wrestler.  Does RVD really need to get squashed again?

Is being left off his third PPV in less than a year somehow good for Rob's career?

 

Who the hell misses Wrestlemania AND Summerslam and is still worth anything?

I'd rather he take some time off and come back in a few weeks with a clean slate.

It will render RVD worthless.

 

Being deemed less important than the webmaster, head booker and owner (all of whom will be on the show) does WONDERS for someone's career.

 

As for Shane or RVD, Shane has more of a reason to fight Kane than RVD does as of RIGHT NOW. Kane tombstoned Shane's mother. Yeah he chokeslammed RVD, big deal.

 

Kane turned on RVD for no reason, tried to break his back by putting him through a wall, attempted to throw him offthe set, tried to crack his skull on the set, almost electrocuted him and gave him a concussion that prevented him from going to work.

[Guest Retro Rob]

RVD has a reason to take on Kane, but his reason pales in comparison to Shane's. That is the point I'm making. RIGHT NOW as in over the next few weeks, Shane has to be the one to take on Kane. RVD had been buddies with Kane for a long time, so their issue will not be lost. With Shane they have to strike the iron while it's hot.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

With Shane he has to get absolutely fucking murdered without getting ANY offense in next week on RAW. Then RVD can come out and play the big hero.

IT should've been RVD chairing him off the stage in the first place. Not that little pussy Shane McMahon.

[Guest Anglesault]

RVD has a reason to take on Kane, but his reason pales in comparison to Shane's. .

Nope.

 

Kane beat up Shane's mom. Not Shane.

 

Kae tried to kill Rob himself three or four times after Rob was his loyal friend fo eight months.

[Guest Retro Rob]

Shane will get dismantled on PPV, there is no doubt about it. He will get the shit beat out of him. Do the whole "Never say die thing" for a while, takes his big bump, and that's that.

[Guest Retro Rob]

RVD has a reason to take on Kane, but his reason pales in comparison to Shane's.  .

Nope.

 

Kane beat up Shane's mom. Not Shane.

 

Kae tried to kill Rob himself three or four times after Rob was his loyal friend fo eight months.

Shane's mother was practically slaughtered by the guy. At least RVD is a fellow wrestler who can take punishment. Linda is a middle aged woman. The issue with RVD and Kane will be center stage, but at this point they have something with Kane-Shane, so why not just go with that for a few weeks?

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

No he shouldn't do the "never say die" thing. He's not a fucking wrestler. He doesn't work a full time schedule. He shouldn't do anything to make himself look better than the wrestlers.

Fine. I will totally drop all of the Shane hate when he starts wrestling a full time schedule. Then he'll be considered a wrestler and can get over on people just like them. Until then he's just another fuckign McMahon hogging TV time.

[Guest Anglesault]

Shane will get dismantled on PPV, there is no doubt about it.  He will get the shit beat out of him.  Do the whole "Never say die thing" for a while, takes his big bump, and that's that.

You forgot kick RVD off the show.

 

Ah, hell, forget Rob.

 

What business does Rob have on PPV's anyway?

 

Especially since next month, it's IMPERATIVE that he fight Stephanie. After all, Linda is her mom too.

 

And doesn't Vince have a brother? Well, pencil him in for Survivor Series!

 

And Marissa Mazola! How can we forget her? She MUST avenge her husband! ARMAGEDDON!

 

We can work RVD/Kane into the Rumble though.

 

As soon as RVD gets in, Kane eliminates him. Because, really, Rob has no business on a PPV and we were just doing him a favor, right?

 

And wrestlemania! If there ever was a Wrestlemania match, it's Vince vs. Kane! Maybe RVD would have been fired by then.

[David Blazenwing 0]

Well, either way, if it's Kane vs. RVD or Kane vs. Shane, the one not fighting Kane will get involved in the match somehow... what if Shane actually DID go over Kane thanks to RVD interference?

 

Hey, here's a crazy idea... because Kane is SUCH a monster and we all saw him dismantle RVD alone last week... make the PPV match a handicap match!

 

Rob Van Dam and Shane McMahon vs. Kane!

 

Now EVERYONE's happy! RVD makes the PPV and Shane gets to fight as well!

 

*sits down and waits for the negative people to dismantle the match idea for STILL not being good enough*

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

It isn't good enough because it still involves Shane. Shane should be a tiny party of this leading up to the RVD/Kane match. He shouldn't be a big part of this at all! He needs to get MURDERED by Kane next week on RAW and never be heard from again.

[ChrisMWaters 0]

It isn't good enough because it still involves Shane. Shane should be a tiny party of this leading up to the RVD/Kane match. He shouldn't be a big part of this at all! He needs to get MURDERED by Kane next week on RAW and never be heard from again.

Or, like I suggested, just have Shane become Rob Van Dam's manager.

 

That way, Shane can have his revenge through RVD.

[Guest Retro Rob]

Any of those ideas are fine (handicap, manager), but there is no reason why Shane McMahon should not have something to do with Kane. But he's not a wrestler... DOES THAT EVEN MATTER IN THIS COMPANY?

[Guest Anglesault]

Any of those ideas are fine (handicap, manager), but there is no reason why Shane McMahon should not have something to do with Kane.

Why?

 

Would there hae been a riot last night if te owner's son/webmaster of the company didn't come out and get more offense than any actual wrester?

 

Would anyone have known the difference?

[ChrisMWaters 0]

Any of those ideas are fine (handicap, manager), but there is no reason why Shane McMahon should not have something to do with Kane.

Why?

 

Would there hae been a riot last night if te owner's son/webmaster of the company didn't come out and get more offense than any actual wrester?

 

Would anyone have known the difference?

Anglesault...think of it this way...

 

If someone attacked YOUR mother, wouldn't you want revenge on that person?

[Guest Retro Rob]

Shane offense was met by Kane sitting up after a matter of five seconds. That being said, I wouldn't say Shane got more out of Kane than Austin or RVD did.

 

Shane should be involved because all along he has been the only McMahon to ever give a shit about his family. That being said, he should avenge what happened to his mother.

[Guest Anglesault]

Shane offense was met by Kane sitting up after a matter of five seconds. That being said, I wouldn't say Shane got more out of Kane than Austin or RVD did.

Kane also had to be saved by Vince and he ran for the hills.

 

Shane should be involved because all along he has been the only McMahon to ever give a shit about his family. That being said, he should avenge what happened to his mother.

 

What about Stephanie? And Shane's wife? And Vince's brother? nd anyone that's ever had contact with Linda? Should they kick Rob off the next eight PPV's so they can avenge her?

[Guest Retro Rob]

Shane should be involved because all along he has been the only McMahon to ever give a shit about his family. That being said, he should avenge what happened to his mother.

 

What about Stephanie? And Shane's wife? And Vince's brother? nd anyone that's ever had contact with Linda? Should they kick Rob off the next eight PPV's so they can avenge her?

If you have to use THAT as your argument....

[Guest Goodear]

If that's the case, I expect Shane to appear on SmackDown and attack A-Train since he attacked Stephanie at Vengeance. But that won't happen because Train isn't the hottest guy on the roster right now like Kane is. I would have been perfectly happy with Kane slaughtering every authority figure the WWE has (since there's a billon of them) and getting no payback from them. Let a wrestler wade into this Kane situation and go a little even with the big guy and you're making the company more money down the road.

[Guest Goodear]

Shane offense was met by Kane sitting up after a matter of five seconds. That being said, I wouldn't say Shane got more out of Kane than Austin or RVD did.

Shane was the only one out of those three to be left standing after his encounter with Kane. Even Austin ended up getting dumped at the end of his little brawl and RVD ended up being completely dismantled after the first thiry seconds or so.

[Guest Retro Rob]

Shane offense was met by Kane sitting up after a matter of five seconds.  That being said, I wouldn't say Shane got more out of Kane than Austin or RVD did.

Shane was the only one out of those three to be left standing after his encounter with Kane. Even Austin ended up getting dumped at the end of his little brawl and RVD ended up being completely dismantled after the first thiry seconds or so.

Yeah, I was expecting Kane to lay him out too. I guess they are holding out in the hopes of squeezing as much out of this as they can.

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Why did Shane wait until the final moments of raw to get his revenge? I mean, he had a week to do it...

[Guest Goodear]

Because of the cops that are surrounding Kane all the time. They aren't just going to stand around and let Shane kill the guy they watch except for the 10 minutes a week he's allowed to kill old ladies.

 

OH LOGIC SCORE!