Shane's not the bad McMahon at all

[Guest Angle-plex]

At this point, it looks like WWE will be going with Kane vs. Shane McMahon for Summerslam. With no other major babyface opponents lined up, WWE apparently feels that Shane would be a good foil for the "monster" Kane.

 

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Poor RVD.

[Guest CanadianChick]

With Shane he has to get absolutely fucking murdered without getting ANY offense in next week on RAW. Then RVD can come out and play the big hero.

IT should've been RVD chairing him off the stage in the first place. Not that little pussy Shane McMahon.

That is what should happen. Shane can take his monster bump and get murdered with RVD coming out and making the save. They said RVD will be back for next week. ANd if Shane must be part of SS, he can be in RVD's corner I guess. BUt that may end up with a swerve and Shane turning on RVD or something like that.

[Guest CanadianChick]

At this point, it looks like WWE will be going with Kane vs. Shane McMahon for Summerslam. With no other major babyface opponents lined up, WWE apparently feels that Shane would be a good foil for the "monster" Kane.

 

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No strong babyfaces? NO STRONG BABYFACES?

 

OH god, that is one of the stupidest rumors/excuses I have heard, uh, today.

 

Because we know RVD isn't over or anything and making him look strong wouldn't be a peice of cake. But what do I know? Hopefully, it's just a stupid rumor anyways.

[Guest Angle-plex]

At this point, it looks like WWE will be going with Kane vs. Shane McMahon for Summerslam. With no other major babyface opponents lined up, WWE apparently feels that Shane would be a good foil for the "monster" Kane.

 

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No strong babyfaces? NO STRONG BABYFACES?

Maybe they should bring Zach Gowan over to RAW so they have another "major babyface" for Kane to feud with after the Shane feud.

[Guest Anglesault]

At this point, it looks like WWE will be going with Kane vs. Shane McMahon for Summerslam. With no other major babyface opponents lined up, WWE apparently feels that Shane would be a good foil for the "monster" Kane.

 

credit: 1wrestling.com

No strong babyfaces? NO STRONG BABYFACES?

 

OH god, that is one of the stupidest rumors/excuses I have heard, uh, today.

 

Because we know RVD isn't over or anything and making him look strong wouldn't be a peice of cake. But what do I know? Hopefully, it's just a stupid rumor anyways.

According to some peope here, Rob doesn't have a hot enough issue with Kane to warrant a PPV match.

[Guest Retro Rob]

At this point, it looks like WWE will be going with Kane vs. Shane McMahon for Summerslam. With no other major babyface opponents lined up, WWE apparently feels that Shane would be a good foil for the "monster" Kane.

 

credit: 1wrestling.com

No strong babyfaces? NO STRONG BABYFACES?

 

OH god, that is one of the stupidest rumors/excuses I have heard, uh, today.

 

Because we know RVD isn't over or anything and making him look strong wouldn't be a peice of cake. But what do I know? Hopefully, it's just a stupid rumor anyways.

According to some peope here, Rob doesn't have a hot enough issue with Kane to warrant a PPV match.

I would like to see RVD on SummerSlam just as much as the rest you. I am actually a big fan of his, but Kane destroyed Shane's mother. In my mind, that is a bigger issue right now than the fact that Kane turned on his tag team partner. And RVD-Kane doesn warrant a PPV match, like maybe in a high profile spot on the Raw only show.

[Guest CanadianChick]

At this point, it looks like WWE will be going with Kane vs. Shane McMahon for Summerslam. With no other major babyface opponents lined up, WWE apparently feels that Shane would be a good foil for the "monster" Kane.

 

credit: 1wrestling.com

No strong babyfaces? NO STRONG BABYFACES?

 

OH god, that is one of the stupidest rumors/excuses I have heard, uh, today.

 

Because we know RVD isn't over or anything and making him look strong wouldn't be a peice of cake. But what do I know? Hopefully, it's just a stupid rumor anyways.

According to some peope here, Rob doesn't have a hot enough issue with Kane to warrant a PPV match.

I would like to see RVD on SummerSlam just as much as the rest you. I am actually a big fan of his, but Kane destroyed Shane's mother. In my mind, that is a bigger issue right now than the fact that Kane turned on his tag team partner. And RVD-Kane doesn warrant a PPV match, like maybe in a high profile spot on the Raw only show.

So you don't think that someone who was a partner with someone for 6 months, got turned on and chokeslamed, was told that they hate them, almost got chokeslamed off the stage, and then had his head rammed into a electical set giving him a concussion isn't enough to warrant a match at the PPV?

[Guest Retro Rob]

At this point, it looks like WWE will be going with Kane vs. Shane McMahon for Summerslam. With no other major babyface opponents lined up, WWE apparently feels that Shane would be a good foil for the "monster" Kane.

 

credit: 1wrestling.com

No strong babyfaces? NO STRONG BABYFACES?

 

OH god, that is one of the stupidest rumors/excuses I have heard, uh, today.

 

Because we know RVD isn't over or anything and making him look strong wouldn't be a peice of cake. But what do I know? Hopefully, it's just a stupid rumor anyways.

According to some peope here, Rob doesn't have a hot enough issue with Kane to warrant a PPV match.

I would like to see RVD on SummerSlam just as much as the rest you. I am actually a big fan of his, but Kane destroyed Shane's mother. In my mind, that is a bigger issue right now than the fact that Kane turned on his tag team partner. And RVD-Kane does warrant a PPV match, like maybe in a high profile spot on the Raw only show.

So you don't think that someone who was a partner with someone for 6 months, got turned on and chokeslamed, was told that they hate them, almost got chokeslamed off the stage, and then had his head rammed into a electical set giving him a concussion isn't enough to warrant a match at the PPV?

I would like to see RVD on SummerSlam just as much as the rest you.  I am actually a big fan of his, but Kane destroyed Shane's mother.  In my mind, that is a bigger issue right now than the fact that Kane turned on his tag team partner.  And RVD-Kane does warrant a PPV match, like maybe in a high profile spot on the Raw only show.

 

I apologize if my typo threw you off.

[Guest Goodear]

Jesus, the RVD-Kane thing has roots that go back months now. Rob is part of the reason why Kane had to take the mask off in the first place! He was the first one Kane attacked when he de-masked and just got thrown through a wall and into the stage head-first!

 

Just because Kane tombstoned Linda doesn't give Shane the opening to just knock RVD aside. You don't see Ric Flair running in because Kane punched Arn do you?

 

Besides like someone already said, RVD has the same in ring upsides as Shane style-wise except he's MUCH MUCH better at it.

[Guest Retro Rob]

In my mind I think Kane-Shane and Kane-RVD are two separate issues. I would rather see RVD take on Kane without any involvment from Shane McMahon and a decent build at that, which is why Unforgiven would be the best place to have that match.

[Guest JericholicEdgeHead]

A little off topic but thank God, Jim and David Crockett and even Ted Turner didn't get involved/wrestled on the storylines in NWA/WCW or they might have gone out of buisness A LOT sooner than 2001.

 

Sorry but WWe is really becoming a joke with all these authority figures and non wrestlers getting most of the spotlight.

[Guest Goodear]

I guess the disagreement hinges on there having to be a Shane McMahon issue in the first place. In my opinion, its in the way of the match they've been setting up for months that mioght never have a proper payoff at this rate.

[Guest Angle-plex]

In my mind I think Kane-Shane and Kane-RVD are two separate issues. I would rather see RVD take on Kane without any involvment from Shane McMahon and a decent build at that, which is why Unforgiven would be the best place to have that match.

Why couldn't we have Kane vs Shane on RAW in the next week or two and RVD/Kane at SummerSlam then? The RVD/Kane feud has been going on for months, while the Kane/Shane feud just started this week. It's obvious which one should be on the second-biggest PPV of the year.

[Guest Retro Rob]

The reality of it is that this is the route that they took. That being said, do the thing with Shane at SummerSlam and have RVD get his shot in September where he will not be overshadowed by McMahon-a-Mania.

[Guest Goodear]

where he will not be overshadowed by McMahon-a-Mania.

 

What, are all the McMahons going to have a degenerate heart disease that kills all of them at the same time?

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

How come Hunter - the guy who demasked kane - isn't in on this?? I mean seriously, the WWE has a nasty habit of not killing the messenger. It's not the guy who actually did it that matters, it's the guy who set it up all but didn't actually do it, that matters... is this Vince McMahons way of saying "the puppetmaster rules all" ???

[Guest Angle-plex]

The reality of it is that this is the route that they took. That being said, do the thing with Shane at SummerSlam and have RVD get his shot in September where he will not be overshadowed by McMahon-a-Mania.

Well if they had Kane vs Shane next week, and it ended with RVD running out and causing a DQ on Shane, then it would appear as the Kane/McMahon thing was just another way to show him turning into a monster. If all this McMahon stuff ended next week, they could still pull off RVD/Kane at SummerSlam.

[Guest Anglesault]

In my mind I think Kane-Shane and Kane-RVD are two separate issues. I would rather see RVD take on Kane without any involvment from Shane McMahon and a decent build at that, which is why Unforgiven would be the best place to have that match.

Because with Rob shoved aside and falling off the face of the earth, the issue will be JUST AS HOT~! two months from now.

 

The time to do this is now. Not "eventually"

[Guest Retro Rob]

What I would do:

 

Have RVD selling his injuries/MIA until SummerSlam. The announcers wonder where he is and why he isn't on Raw. Finally he returns by making the save after Kane defeats Shane at SummerSlam. The next night RVD explains that he was healing up and he needed some time off to ponder if he still had "it" and would be able to take out the monster that is Kane. From there they feud through Unforgiven.

[Guest Angle-plex]

What I would do:

 

Have RVD selling his injuries/MIA until SummerSlam. The announcers wonder where he is and why he isn't on Raw. Finally he returns by making the save after Kane defeats Shane at SummerSlam. The next night RVD explains that he was healing up and he needed some time off to ponder if he still had "it" and would be able to take out the monster that is Kane. From there they feud through Unforgiven.

That would be fine, IMO, but I'm pretty sure Coach said RVD would be back "as early as next week", which usually means "next week".

[Guest Retro Rob]

What I would do:

 

Have RVD selling his injuries/MIA until SummerSlam.  The announcers wonder where he is and why he isn't on Raw.  Finally he returns by making the save after Kane defeats Shane at SummerSlam.  The next night RVD explains that he was healing up and he needed some time off to ponder if he still had "it" and would be able to take out the monster that is Kane.  From there they feud through Unforgiven.

That would be fine, IMO, but I'm pretty sure Coach said RVD would be back "as early as next week", which usually means "next week".

He said "may be". And my scenario accounted for the fact that the announcers said he would be back, yet he would be MIA nonetheless.

[Guest The Hamburglar]

So the gist of it is, people are upset that Shane will be annihalated by Kane instead of RVD? Fine by me. RVD sucks, people. An RVD-Kane match would be exactly the same as a Shane-Kane match, only Shane would sell better and actually, you know, display some emotion without looking constipated like RVD does. Come Summerslam, I'll eat popcorn and enjoy watching Shane get beaten shitless for my entertainment.

[Guest Retro Rob]

So the gist of it is, people are upset that Shane will be annihalated by Kane instead of RVD? Fine by me. RVD sucks, people. An RVD-Kane match would be exactly the same as a Shane-Kane match, only Shane would sell better and actually, you know, display some emotion without looking constipated like RVD does. Come Summerslam, I'll eat popcorn and enjoy watching Shane get beaten shitless for my entertainment.

That's the spirit... well at least some of it...

[Guest BionicRedneck]

I'd rather see Kane/Shane. At least that way RVD doesn't get buried (which starts another thread on here) and we get to see Shane kill himself.

 

At the end of the day it's still Kane, Rob Van Dam and Shane McMahon: Anyway you look at it, it's gonna suck.

[Guest MideonMark]

What I'd do-

 

Next week on Raw, Shane vs Kane, Kane destroys Shane(putting Shane out of action for a few weeks) RVD runs down at the end of the match, they brawl. RVD vs Kane at SS in a pretty even match, Shane runs in but Kane destroys him again(possibly Chokeslamming him from top rope through annouce table a la KOTR 2000), Kane then Chokeslams RVD through the other announce table, beats up the ref, security etc. resulting in a NC. This leads to RVD vs Kane in a cage match at Unforgiven. Kane beats him but RVD still looks strong.

 

Either that or this is leading to Goldberg going over Kane in his first title defense or a newly face turned HHH stopping Kane's path of destruction

[Guest NoCalMike]

I think everyone is missing the point here. Of course Shane should be angry at Kane trying to "kill his mother" however if Kane is supposed to be this ruthless Super-Monster, Kane should have destroyed him on Raw. I didn't mind that Shane came running out, it MADE SENSE, but following the logic of the Kane gimmick, Kane should have shrugged off Shane's ill attempts to take him down, and just beat his ass. Why the fuck was Kane running from Shane McMahon? He hasn't ran from anyone yet.

 

The only reason I want Shane/Kane to happen is to get RVD away from this god awful storyline. It quite frankly sucks, just about as much as it will suck watching Kane lay on some airmat for 10 minutes while Shane climbs up some tall set piece to execute his, "fuck you, I am so the hardcore king" bump.

 

If RVD can somehow just get out of this entire storyline, and maybe start a feud with Jericho or Booker T for the I-C belt, maybe like a respect feud like the old Booker T/Benoit feud, then that will be the best thing possible. I am tired of seeing RVD associated with fucking Kane.

[Guest BionicRedneck]

RVD/Kane happened on RAW two weeks ago and if you are gonna bring Shane back to defend his mother, then at least give them the match on PPV and not do a rush job.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Fact is Kane should've put everyone in there place on RAW. He should've killed McMahon, Austin, and Shane. But instead he let's Vince get in his face, he decides not to fight Austin, and then he needs Vince to save him from Shane and then he runs away! Yeah they're really making him into a badass monster!

[Guest NoCalMike]

Right, he should have killed Vince right off the bat, just for trying to market Kane. Then chokeslammed Austin for egging him on, I mean Kane is a monster, not some guy smart enough to come up with a "master plan" Finally, when Shane ran down, Kane should have just been waiting and beat the living hell out of him. Especially since his music hit so Kane had ample time to get himself ready.

[Guest Adrian 3:16]

To everyone defending Shane, you're missing a couple key points:

 

- Shane does not "need to be involved" because of the issue with avenging his mother because the thing with Linda didn't "need to happen" in the first place. They could've taken it any direction they wanted to, but instead they set the wheels in motion for Shane's return very deliberatley. Don't think that when Linda got tombstoned this wasn't the plan all along.

 

- Second, even when Shane does show up with a grudge against Kane, what in the hell is he gonna do about it? Shane shouldn't stand a chance against any wrestler, even in kayfabe terms. He should not be the first to take down Kane- even temporarily- when RVD is made to look like a bitch. The fact RVD isn't even considered as a strong face opponent speaks volumes.

 

Now, if you want to let Shane, fueled by adrenaline, step up to Kane and get destroyed, setting up a Kane/RVD match where RVD eventually triumphs over his old partner, that's one thing. But we all know that's not will actually happen, is it? I have too many memories of Shane taking himself a little too seriously and pushing wrestlers around circa Invasion to have any confidence in them at all.