Shane McMahon on TV is a Bad Thing.

July 31, 2003

WE WANT ANGLESAULT TO DEFEND ANGLES HONOR!

WHA?! RVD pinned UT? Was it clean? Or did someone do a run-in to cause UT to get his ass kicked majorly.

Late 2001, RVD beat Undertaker relatively cleanly IIRC. Of course, Undertaker beat him cleanly many times too (Armegeddon 2001 for example).

July 31, 2003

::Throws in Towel::

People....HATE RVD? Then whats with the love for him in this thread?

July 31, 2003

Because the people who don't like him don't bother responding in this thread and could care less if he is buried.

July 31, 2003

That's good enough for me.

::Walks away with another loss::

July 31, 2003

But Bret WORKED HIS OPPONENTS LIMBS! His main moves were submissions and the Quote unquote Five Moves of Doom.

Working on Someones leg to prevent them from being able to stand is a lot more realistic then jumping off a rope kicking someone in the shoulder, and having them sell it like they are dead.

Doesn't anyone remember Bret's matches vs. Diesel (nash)? He worked the legs because he knew that he was no match in a "Slugfest".

I think that you may have taken what I said out of context. The only reason that I used Bret as an example was to point out that you don't have to be big to be considered a legitimate threat to the world title.

July 31, 2003

Ohhh...my bad, lol. (Surprised no one mentioned HBK unless I over looked something said)

July 31, 2003

Whoever said Angle works the leg/ankle to set up the Ankle lock...you are seeing things. He VERY rarely does anything to set it up, he just suplexes the fuck out of people, then grabs the ankle.

RVD's style makes sense outside of the tumbling act, if you can't slam them, why not kick the ever loving fuck out of them?

July 31, 2003

IIRC, RVD did pin Big Show with the frog splash during the invasion angle. Cleanly too.

King Cucaracha · July 31, 2003

Picking stuff out of this thread.

Firstly, compare Angle's time in the business to Eddie's Eddie was born into wrestling, the majority of the male side of his family are wrestlers. Therefore he will be better than Angle. The way I see it, Eddie Guerrero is better than Angle, but he's also had over twice the time in the business that Angle has. People forget Angle's been in the proffesional business about four years

The ankle lock is such a devestating move, then ankle does not need to be worked on. It's effective enough on it's own. And name me five moves that work on the ankle, not including 'kick to the ankle' or 'elbow onto ankle'. A chop block isn't gonna hurt the ankle, so what's the point of working on the knee.

RVD did pin Show with the Frog Splash during the InVasion yes...but then, who didn't pin the Big Show during the InVasion?

Back to the point of this, I like Shane McMahon. I'm a hopeless Attitude/ECW fan, and a hopeless spot monkey fan. I enjoy real wrestling from guys like Eddie and Benoit too, but if someone's going to get thrown through tables and glass then I'll watch it and not worry about 'traditional wrestling'. So, I like Shane and I like RVD for the same reason. The difference is, I have a reason for caring about Shane McMahon. If RVD-Kane is going to work, give me a reason to care about RVD. To do so, RVD will have to stop Kane's momentum, and the MOMENT he does everyone would be up in arms about Kane not being a monster, just like now.

I need a reason to care about RVD, because I have seen ECW RVD and InVasion RVD. If it were a choice between the RVD of now and ECW RVD, the majority of people would watch the ECW version because it's more suited to him. So give us a reason for caring about RVD. Bring back Bill Alfonso to manage him, let him do crazy stuff even if it upstages Helmsley, Nash and the rest. Let him swear liberally if it helps. Then I might care.

The sad thing is, RVD is not as big of a threat to Kane as Shane McMahon is. Kane squashed RVD on Raw. Shane has proven he can stand up to Kane, and he hasn't been around for months so seeing him back provides something different.

And all the arguement here comes down to against Shane is his last name. That's not going to change, so I don't really care to be honest.

July 31, 2003

Shane should not have close matches with any of the boys. There's no reason for him to stand a chance against any of them. Yet he goes over a lot.

Uh, yeah... Because Shane McMahon has gone over SO MANY people on PPV...

1) X-Pac with Test's, Chyna's AND Triple H's help... But noone really likes X-Pac do they? So should we care?

2) Big Show. Twice. Once by KNOCKING HIM UNCONCIOUS WITH CHLOROFORM and once with Test's, Albert's, Bossman's AND Bull Buchanan's help. Maybe even more heels, I forget. That hurt Big Show so much that he just Main Evented the last PPV...

3) Vince, whom everybody hates and it was in a satisfying end to a well-done, if oft-OTT, storyline. With the help of Mick Foley, Trish Stratus AND Linda McMahon...

And that's all I can think of off-hand...

He has lost to: Test, Blackman and Angle. All in hardcore matches where 'the boys' sold being hit in the face with various things rather than any wrestling moves. In fact, Angle went out of his way to out-wrestle the hell out of Shane and then beat the shit out of him even after being in two other matches... And Test won despite it being 4-on-1 for most of the match.

Again, this is just what I can remember off-hand and I AM a hopeless Shane-O mark anyway...

So, he DOESN'T go over that much really, generally gets the shit beaten out of him when he doesn't have help and can only hurt people with weapons...

Yokily.

July 31, 2003

::Walks away with another loss::

You're really not too good at this debating thing.

July 31, 2003

AS is 100% right in his article about Shane, if the WWE really want to build Kane as a huge monster heel let him squash Shane(a non-wrestler) at RAW instead of a ppv. I don't get this love for Shane-O, but since he hasn't been on tv in a while he will get the welcome back pop but eventually the fans will get tired of him.... again like they did the last time he was around.

RVD, love him or hate him , is the one Kane should be feuding with at Summerslam, that's why they got put together in the first place. WWE says that they don't have a strong babyface to wrestle Kane? Thats b.s., RVD and Kane already have the build up since January but i guess Vince wants RVD to be buried even more and by leaving him out of another big ppv, is a slap in the face to Rob and his fans.

July 31, 2003

Uh, yeah... Because Shane McMahon has gone over SO MANY people on PPV...

1) X-Pac with Test's, Chyna's AND Triple H's help... But noone really likes X-Pac do they? So should we care?

2) Big Show. Twice. Once by KNOCKING HIM UNCONCIOUS WITH CHLOROFORM and once with Test's, Albert's, Bossman's AND Bull Buchanan's help. Maybe even more heels, I forget. That hurt Big Show so much that he just Main Evented the last PPV...

3) Vince, whom everybody hates and it was in a satisfying end to a well-done, if oft-OTT, storyline. With the help of Mick Foley, Trish Stratus AND Linda McMahon...

And that's all I can think of off-hand...

He has lost to: Test, Blackman and Angle. All in hardcore matches where 'the boys' sold being hit in the face with various things rather than any wrestling moves. In fact, Angle went out of his way to out-wrestle the hell out of Shane and then beat the shit out of him even after being in two other matches... And Test won despite it being 4-on-1 for most of the match.

Again, this is just what I can remember off-hand and I AM a hopeless Shane-O mark anyway...

So, he DOESN'T go over that much really, generally gets the shit beaten out of him when he doesn't have help and can only hurt people with weapons...

Yokily.

This reminds me of the Kurt Angle match @ KOTR. He really went over there, didn't he?

Still watch this match on a regular basis. Great stuff.

July 31, 2003

People like Shane because he bumps around.

I can understand the "He's not a wrestler!" logic and I've learn to hate main events like Austin vs Vince/Shane (the "moving briefcase" match) but I believe that as long as he's not in the main event spot and somebody else gets that huge paycheck then he's fine.

...Unless he starts being on TV too much like everyone else.

July 31, 2003

The problem is Kane is on fire right now from his character being retooled and Shane is the one who is going to take away that heat. You're high if you think Kane isn't going to be forced to sell for Shane. He already did it this last monday. He took Kane over the top rope and proceeded to beat the holy hell out of him. What did unstoppable Kane do? He fucking ran away. Vince tried to hold Shane back. Shane then chases Kane up the ramp and nails him with chairshots. Sure Kane no sold the chair's and laughed at the end, but the damage was done as soon as he started walking away from the confrontation with Shane.

Again, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Shane actually went over at SS. You think I'm kidding, but I'm not.

BTW, Angle is closer to 5'9 or 5'10. I've stood next to him in the aisle for a house show. I'm 5'11 with shoes on and I was taller than Angle. Even Meltzer has Angle listed as 5'9 in the Top 100 Greatest wrestlers book.

July 31, 2003

You're high if you think Kane isn't going to be forced to sell for Shane. He already did it this last monday. He took Kane over the top rope and proceeded to beat the holy hell out of him. What did unstoppable Kane do? He fucking ran away. Vince tried to hold Shane back. Shane then chases Kane up the ramp and nails him with chairshots. Sure Kane no sold the chair's and laughed at the end, but the damage was done as soon as he started walking away from the confrontation with Shane.

And the funny thing is people don't see this as selling. The super monster heel ran away from..............Shane McMahon????????The man who people use to chant pussy all the time.

July 31, 2003

Again, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Shane actually went over at SS. You think I'm kidding, but I'm not.

I'm with you, Dangerous A. I said something similar in another thread.

I WANT to believe that they aren't stupid enough to actually put Shane over Kane. But I just can't be that sure.

It seems to me that Shane is doing the Hogan thing: show up for a few shows and lap up the praise and cheers, disappear for awhile before everyone gets seriously sick of him, take more time off, come back, repeat. I don't if it's deliberate, but that's what it feels like to me.

July 31, 2003

Again, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Shane actually went over at SS. You think I'm kidding, but I'm not.

I'm with you, Dangerous A. I said something similar in another thread.

I WANT to believe that they aren't stupid enough to actually put Shane over Kane. But I just can't be that sure.

It seems to me that Shane is doing the Hogan thing: show up for a few shows and lap up the praise and cheers, disappear for awhile before everyone gets seriously sick of him, take more time off, come back, repeat. I don't if it's deliberate, but that's what it feels like to me.

Which if anything shows that after his mother, He is the smartest McMahon.

Which isn't saying much looking at the other two.

July 31, 2003

Here's my problem... there's simply no upside to the angle.

If Kane murders Shane, well... its to be expected and doesn't really move the angle along unless there's some sort of save moments later.

If Shane puts up a fight or worse yet, wins... the whole Kane as monster angle is killed without making a bigger drawing star out of the deal since Shane doesn't work a full time schedule.

July 31, 2003

I wouldn't be suprised if Shane went over, because ya know, "everyone loves a McMahon" *sarcasm*

July 31, 2003

Here is the flaw in everyones logic to me. Kane isn't being sold as the unstoppable monster that can't be hurt. He is being sold as the psycho that is willing to damn near kill people. He sold for RVD...he has sold for basically anyone. Hell, just a few weeks ago we were watching the Frenchies get their offense in. Even the casual fans remember that. RIght now, he is the TOmmy Dreamer killing, Rico beating, Bishoff chokeslaming, AUstin ass whooping, Linda Tombstoneing, RVD dart boarding, JR buring ass crazy guy.

It is not about if he sells to Shane. It is how will the match end, and you know and I know it will be Shane getting thrown off something really high by a psychopath.

People wanting Kane to just run over Shane on Monday are the type of people that bitch about why the villian in a movie didn't just shoot the guy in the head 5 minutes in instead of tying him up. Because there would be nothing else to do.

With Shane you A: have a guy that can disappear from TV along time to sell the injury that Kane will inflict and B: have a guy that is hot with the crowd because they haven't seen him in a while.

RVD, although misused is still too important of a worker for the WWE to give a couple of months off(and really, how badass will Kane look if he beats RVD and he is back a week later...Remember Rock and his surviving the 18 wheeler into the Ambulance...or HHH no selling death in the falling car...same thing) Shane will disappear for MONTHS along with Linda thus selling the injury even more.

It might not be popular for you guys but the smartest thing to do is have him wrestle shane as he will can get him over as a monster even more.

July 31, 2003

People wanting Kane to just run over Shane on Monday are the type of people that bitch about why the villian in a movie didn't just shoot the guy in the head 5 minutes in instead of tying him up. Because there would be nothing else to do.

Actually, I think this is more akin to the director of photography jumping on the set, shoving James Bond out of the way and Killing Goldfinger.

July 31, 2003

People wanting Kane to just run over Shane on Monday are the type of people that bitch about why the villian in a movie didn't just shoot the guy in the head 5 minutes in instead of tying him up. Because there would be nothing else to do.

Actually, I think this is more akin to the director of photography jumping on the set, shoving James Bond out of the way and Killing Goldfinger.

God dammit, its post like those that make it dangerous to read this shit at work.

But really, at least you have to accept that it needs to be someone that can disappear for a while. RVD as the wrestler and the character can't afford that. As a matter of fact, what wrestler with any kind of rep with the fans could. Shane, the non-wrestling big bump machine can do the things that are needed to further this gimmick.

July 31, 2003

It's too bad Kane couldn't put Austin's stale ass out for months as well.

Kane being turned into an "unstoppable" type began when last week when he manhandled anyone in his way. That was because he lost his mask, which in effect made him insane. However, that insanity is what is supposed to make him more powerful. If they even steven this with Kane selling for everyone, then they will have made Kane take his mask off for naught. No mask=different character.

I fail to see how Shane wrestling Kane, with Kane selling for Shane, makes Kane get over more. Even if Shane disappears for awhile, I don't see this making Kane look better. All I see is an excuse for Shane to take a tumble off of a high place. Plus it's Shane McMahon. Who cares if he puts the boss out for a long time?

If Kane were to put Austin out for a long time, then it'd mean something. But Shane? Come on now.

July 31, 2003

So let me get this straight.

Shane is the good McMahon cause he's off TV. But he's STILL the good McMahon even after he's on TV... ??

This does not make Logic.

July 31, 2003

It's too bad Kane couldn't put Austin's stale ass out for months as well.

Kane being turned into an "unstoppable" type began when last week when he manhandled anyone in his way. That was because he lost his mask, which in effect made him insane. However, that insanity is what is supposed to make him more powerful. If they even steven this with Kane selling for everyone, then they will have made Kane take his mask off for naught. No mask=different character.

I fail to see how Shane wrestling Kane, with Kane selling for Shane, makes Kane get over more. Even if Shane disappears for awhile, I don't see this making Kane look better. All I see is an excuse for Shane to take a tumble off of a high place. Plus it's Shane McMahon. Who cares if he puts the boss out for a long time?

If Kane were to put Austin out for a long time, then it'd mean something. But Shane? Come on now.

Oh I would agree with Austin, but the guy is too broken down to take the bump necessary to be injury related. I guess he could hit him with something, but Shane could do it better and would be less of a loss than Stonecold...stale as Austin is, he is still what the marks want.

And Kane hasn't even appeared to be unstoppable. He beat up some refs and Jerry Lawler. Oh, and squashed RVD...how is that tearing through everyone...especially sense he sold for RVD. He sold for RVD's kicks...why wouldn't he sell for a chair or a pudgy kid tackling him.

Like it or not, that little episode on Raw A: made the whole angle have even more emotion (I mean comeon, who would be more pissed that Linda got Tombstoned...a wrestler or her son) and B: Kane took the "OMIGOD GET THE STRETCHER bump and got up and LAUGHED. And the announcers sold it as such. How that doesn't make him look badass is beyond me.

July 31, 2003

How does Kane look like a badass when after Shane knocked him over the top rope and took punches from the mount, he ran the fuck away. That's right. How did he get up the ramp? He fucking ran away from Shane. A badass would've gotten up while he could and beaten Shane's ass. But no, they made him run away.

Shane's stunt that will supposedly put him out for months will overshadow Kane, IMO. The focus won't be on what Kane did, but on how crazy Shane is for jumping off of some high place through some crash pad. That is a problem for me. Shane is going to suck the heat away from the guy who needs to get over, Kane.

July 31, 2003

If Shane's big bump is going for a elbow and Kane moving off a crash pad, I will be with you. If it is kane picking him up as we hear announcer screaming "Don't do it, you crazy son of a bitch" and tosses him off something, how in the blue hell will it get shane, who won't even be there anymore, over.

I look forward to the match and definately don't look forward to Shane-o-mania leading up til then. I will breathe a sigh of relief once I know that he will be gone again. Its just that the guy fits in PERFECTLY with the storyline and where it needs to go next. Kane's next move shouldn't be some match with a wrestler that goes back and forth with Kane getting the win. He needs to nearly fucking kill someone, laugh about it and walk off. And once again, what wrestler does that need to be.

I would perfer the ROck...or AUstin as guys that can afford to be gone for months anyway. But Rock isn't there and Austin physically can't. Who else should it be?

July 31, 2003

Yes, because when Shane got thrown through the glass at KOTR by Angle, everyone was like "DID YOU SEE WHAT ANGLE DID~!? He's SOOOO Badass!"...

Shane likes to steal the spotlight. Whether he thinks he's doing the best, or giving a rub, or whatever, it just doesn't work.

July 31, 2003

How does Kane look like a badass when after Shane knocked him over the top rope and took punches from the mount, he ran the fuck away. That's right. How did he get up the ramp? He fucking ran away from Shane. A badass would've gotten up while he could and beaten Shane's ass. But no, they made him run away.

It would have been fine, IMO, if Shane got in a lucky shot, and knocked Kane out of the ring/off the stage, but Kane just landed on his feet, THEN laughed at him.

You know, how he flips out of the ring backwards and lands right on his feet? Like that.

At least at KotR Angle had had 2 matches prior to the Street Fight.

Shane McMahon on TV is a Bad Thing.

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