Note on Cena/Taker match

[Guest AndrewTS]

I'm not blaming or making excuses, just stating the facts. He may not even care much about the title or I'm sure he could have gotten more reigns if Vince put the Raw title on HBK and was going to put it on Nash.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

I'm not blaming or making excuses, just stating the facts. He may not even care much about the title or I'm sure he could have gotten more reigns if Vince put the Raw title on HBK and was going to put it on Nash.

You said he couldn't draw well. You were wrong. In 1997 he pretty much stopped the bleeding that was Sid's reign as Champ. And in 1996 his feud with Diesel was drawing more then Bret or Shawn.

 

Plus in 2002 he brought back some cred to the Undisputed Championship, and was Champ while no one was drawing and STILL managed to do ebtter then Hogan or HHH.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

If Cena won, then what? He wouldn't really gain anything because the feud wasn't properly built and it was a throw-away match on the PPV.

 

Sure, the build-up could have been better, but I liked how they portrayed it in the video package on the PPV. The fact of John Cena defeating The Undertaker, especially if he done it clean would give him huge bragging rights along with another add on his "resume" so to say to make him look like a credible threat.

 

We also you have to keep in mind, although the WWE championship doesn't hot shot around as much as other belts, it still goes around more these days than it ever did when he started. He's had 4 reigns, none extremely long, but still, the belt didn't go around as much. Four reigns is pretty good, but it's over shadowed by giving Rocky, although a deserving champion 7 reigns with the world title since his first in LATE 98. He's had the most.

 

Well, his first and third titles win were tarnished by blatant outside interference. I really enjoyed his 2nd reign since he won it at WM and retained it until SummerSlam. I didn't mind his last reign, but the whole "you will respect me" crap got really annoying. I'm just saying out of 12 years of service and after headling TV show after TV show, PPV after PPV, he would have had at least 5-6 title reigns. I think 1998 could have been his year also if not for Stone Cold, who I think should have lost at SummerSlam.

 

Can't blame Rocky for his high number, his first three wins were from Mick Foley. Lost the title twice to Stone Cold, won the title twice by pinning Kurt Angle.

[Guest AndrewTS]

"Draw well" doesn't mean "drawing around average." Sid, Diesel, HBK, HHH as a face in 2002, and Hogan were all abyssmal failures.

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

Taker being beaten clean should mean something, it should be built up properly and most importantly, done by a guy who is ready for the main event spot. Case in point, Brock Lesnar. Went over clean at No Mercy 2002 and went on to be a huge star in the main event.

 

Cena, on the other hand, is not ready. While he may be over, that is due strictly to his "cool" gimmick status and promo ability. The man doesn't have what it takes to make a feud look good (or big) for that matter. Can anybody here actually picture Cena rapping out a promo before the main event of a PPV?

 

Comedy has never drawn in the main events, never will.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Off-topic:

 

The only people I can think of who've had longer reigns since then were Austin in 2001

 

You wouldn't believe how happy I was when that reign finally ended.

[Guest Lord of The Curry]

Why? They just hot-shotted the title to Jericho who had one of the worst title reigns (if not the worst) in recent memory.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

It wasn't his fault besides Austin had the title for WAY TOO LONG (even with a two week break).

[Guest teke184]

It wasn't his fault besides Austin had the title for WAY TOO LONG (even with a two week break).

The title needed the legitimacy after jumping from wrestler to wrestler with the frequency of a cheap ham radio.

 

The only problem was that the Angle mess kept the belt from going to the person who really DID deserve it at the time... Rob Van Dam. Jericho should have been the guy to take it off of him a few months later, which would have given him an extra added boost in the heat department since RVD was red-hot at the time and the fans would have been PISSED that Jericho had screwed him over.

[Guest godofdeadlydeath]

Taker has been unable to draw well as champion in the past.  Therefore his reigns haven't happened very often.

Reign 1 was only a week.

 

Reign 2 was merely unspectacular, but a major improvement from Sid, HBK, and Nash.

 

Reign 3 was part one of the worst storylines in recent memory, so that ahs something to do with it.

 

Reign 4 was solid.

 

 

He draws, just not as big as the biggest guys.

How did he get the title the 3rd time? I don't recall, I'm assuming it was during the Ministry? Or no?

[Lil' Bitch 0]

^ Yeah, it was during the Corporate Ministry.

 

Unfortunately, Undertaker won it the night Owen died due to a fast count. Taker only held the title for a month before losing it back to Austin the night after KOTR.

[Guest godofdeadlydeath]

^ Yeah, it was during the Corporate Ministry.

 

Unfortunately, Undertaker won it the night Owen died due to a fast count. Taker only held the title for a month before losing it back to Austin the night after KOTR.

Oh yes I forgot about that. I don't even think I saw that match. I mean I watched the PPV, but don't really recall actually absorbing that match at all due to the Owen tragedy. Still can't believe it. Anyone have a tape of that Over the Edge by any chance? A copy they would like to sell?

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Vince is a retard...and a mark. That's all there is to this. The ONE time Taker agrees to job and it's all fucked up by Vince "i own a wrestling company but know jackshit about wrestling" McMahon.

[Guest mst3krules]

I think a win over Taker would have much more meaning for whoever did it if he hadn't have decided in 2000 to morph himself into a combo of Mean Mark Callous and Stone Cold Mark Calaway. It's obvious that when he plays "himself", he's boring as ****. Throwing away possibly the greatest gimmick/character of all time was a really dumb decision. I realize that he had felt that he did all he could with that character, but he could be creative about it and still ride his cycle to the ring and be a tough guy. For someone who used to be a truly unique part of the WWE, it's too bad that he's decided to blend into the background. He's a legend, but there's no "awe" to him anymore.

[Guest Trivia247]

How is Undertaker the Main Event Key to Cena?

 

at what point did Cena get to the point to beat Undertaker?

 

Last feud was whom Brian Kendrick??

 

a Squash from Brock

 

beating your odd Orlando and or Funaki?

 

and that somehow means he should take on Taker now?

 

Like I said, if its truly Cena's time, he is over then good the second time around Taker jobs to him.

 

but lets no go into bitch and moan over...Taker mUST JOB to this MUST JOB to that. Unlike HHH Taker isn't screwing a bosses daughter nor does he have his name on the McMahon will. Meaning, even if he complains about jobbing ultimately its not HIS decision. and going back to the first Brock match on Taker, there must have been something that Vince decided to agree with Taker to job him out, which blew it up to the second Match which Taker did Lose..and lose well to Brock.

 

but hell he is Just Taker and Must Steve lombardi himself by jobbing to anyone at 25 even if their ready or not.

 

And please spare me that Protecting my spot crap, when was Taker's last world title reign? Last year? Whom he beat to get it..Hogan...

 

Beyond that when was the Last Main event was Taker on? a PPV????A Smackdown???

 

What spot does he have?? he spent most of his time midcarding. ooo yea he is jealously holding his spot from the EVVVILLL John Cena.

[Guest Vyce]

The issue is beyond simply "John Cena doesn't deserve to be elevated".

 

Cena's non-"elevation", i.e. humiliating loss (and that's what I consider it to be) at the hands of Undertaker, is just a symptom of the disease.

 

The WWE is unwilling to push new stars - at least, they're unwilling to push those who they don't decide to create into stars. We get maybe one guy a year, and that person is the one who's chosen by God to be the "next big thing". Last year it was Brock. This year, it looks like it's Orton.

 

The WWE needs to start building more than just ONE "new" guy up. And what better way than to get the old-timers to do what must be done? If Cena isn't "ready" yet, give it to someone else.

 

The problem is, the WWE isn't willing to deem anyone "ready" (other than their current annual project) to be elevated to the next level. They drag their feet until a) they're forced to push someone new due to injuries at the top of the card or b) someone gets so ridiculously over on their own that they have to consider giving them a shot (such as Eddie G).

 

That's why the Cena loss pisses me off. Not so much because I'm some big Cena mark, but rather that it's just another example of Vince stubbornness.