Ok Shane-O-Mac lovers....

[Guest The Old Me]

I don't know what the big fucking deal with all this is. Shane got murdered last night, so who the fuck cares?

[Guest Shanghai Kid]

Shane did get his ass kicked after his 'few punches' sloppily landed on Kane.

 

As far as mic skills go, he's a hell of a lot better than RVD. RVD can't cut a serious promo to save his life. At least we can take Shane seriously when he cuts a promo, he sounds legit pissed.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

I went back and watched it again. There was no Kane trying to do a rope-a-dope. It was Shane beating his ass. Kane was trying to hit him but Shane was ducking and pounding on him. Kane even cried out in pain at one point. Yes Shane-o-Mac...the giant killer.

[Guest ManKinnd]

Are you guys fucking serious? If anyone of us were amped up on adrenaline after our mother got dropped on her head, we would've gone ballistic and gotten some shots in on this "monster." This whole thing has been blown so out of proportion.

It was fine when RVD got in some offense on Kane because he's a wrestler, right? Well, Shane punched Kane in the face, and punches in the face from just about anyone will hurt. Can you not agree? Well, after getting punched in the face all those times it took Kane about half a second to recoop. Then he absolutely DESTROYED him. This whole argument is ridiculous. You're LOOKING for things to be wrong with this. If a guy jumped the guardrail and took a wrestler by surprise and punched him in the face, I bet it would hurt.

Think of this logically.

Jeez.

[Guest JMA]

As far as mic skills go, he's a hell of a lot better than RVD. RVD can't cut a serious promo to save his life. At least we can take Shane seriously when he cuts a promo, he sounds legit pissed.

Shane's promo sucked. RVD is a lot better at talking than he is. He sounded as pissed as Stephanie when she yells in her chain smoking voice.

[Guest bps "The Truth" 21]

I've seen RVD cut a great promo before.

 

I've never seen Shane cut a promo that I cared about.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

Yeah but this is wrestling not real life. Kane's supposed to be a monster that it is hard to hurt. He no sold the f'n Stunner...one of the deadliest moves in recent history and I'm supposed to believe a pussy punch from a pussy will do some damage to him!? HAHAHAHAHA! Shane threw some damn weak looking punches and Kane sold every one of them. That was BS.

[Guest Anglesault]

Shane busted Bischoff's nose and Kane's lip.

 

Will he be punished?

[Guest Askewniverse]

Shane busted Bischoff's nose and Kane's lip.

 

Will he be punished?

Probably not, since he's a McMahon. Vince will end up rewarding him instead.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

RVD punches better than Shane.

[Guest Shanghai Kid]

I've seen RVD cut great promos in ECW....never in the WWE.

 

I have seen Shane cut a great promo when he was in that WM feud with Vince. I've seen him cut great promos against X-Pac, Big Show, and Kurt Angle. RVD has never done a good promo in the WWE, and he's never had any memorable feuds.

 

"Which way did he go Which way did he go", hell I laughed. You guys are really looking for things wrong with Shane. What's so good about RVD? Bad wrestling, bad mic skills...I just don't get it.

[Guest The Mighty Damaramu]

The bad thing I see in Shane is the fact that he's NOT A WRESTLER and doesn't deserve to be fighting wrestlers and having them cow to his mighty McMahoness.

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

I take it none of you have seen any slasher films, have you?

 

The killer is usually some big, unstoppable killing machine, much like Kane is supposed to be. The killer usually gets their ass kicked at a point, and then stops, says "fuck that noise," and wastes the victim. Kane did just that.

 

STOP YOUR BITCHING.

[Just John 0]

I've seen him [shane] cut great promos against... Kurt Angle.

You mean the "C is for cookie" promo? That's the only one I remember Shane cutting against Angle... and it sucked.

 

Shane is definitely the most overrated non-wrestler in WWE. All he does is bump. He is dependent on bumps. Do you think anyone would care about his match with Angle if he didn't take the suplex on the glass? All this guy does is jump on tv, seemingly whenever he feels like it, as there is really no set pattern to when he appears. He then jumps into a major heat-stealing feud, draining not only the wrestler he's working with, but the entire roster as well. Most people associate KOTR 2K1 with Shane bumping off a glass panel, not the triple threat world title feud. Similarly, Summer Slam 2000 is Shane falling off the tron, not Rock/HHH/Angle. Now, instead of "what will Kane do next week?" its "what will happen with Shane and Kane?" RVD hasn't gotten any attention, even though he's scheduled to fight Kane. The other main event scene (you know, the one with the world title) has been reduced to filler, so Shane-O can hog the last 10 minutes of the show, and the opening 15 while he's at it.

 

Bottom line is, Shane is just like the rest of the McMahons (minus Linda, who knows her role). He's out there for attention. However, instead of just gloating about how great he is like Vince or Steph, he just takes a huge bump, which focuses entirely on him (i.e. no one thinks of Steve Blackman knocking Shane off the tron, or even jumping on him afterwards; no thinks about Kurt throwing Shane on to the glass). He's just as much an attention hog as Steph or Vince, let's not kid oursleves into thinking he's actually trying to put Kane over here.

[Guest ManKinnd]

I've seen him [shane] cut  great promos against... Kurt Angle.

You mean the "C is for cookie" promo? That's the only one I remember Shane cutting against Angle... and it sucked.

 

Shane is definitely the most overrated non-wrestler in WWE. All he does is bump. He is dependent on bumps. Do you think anyone would care about his match with Angle if he didn't take the suplex on the glass? All this guy does is jump on tv, seemingly whenever he feels like it, as there is really no set pattern to when he appears. He then jumps into a major heat-stealing feud, draining not only the wrestler he's working with, but the entire roster as well. Most people associate KOTR 2K1 with Shane bumping off a glass panel, not the triple threat world title feud. Similarly, Summer Slam 2000 is Shane falling off the tron, not Rock/HHH/Angle. Now, instead of "what will Kane do next week?" its "what will happen with Shane and Kane?" RVD hasn't gotten any attention, even though he's scheduled to fight Kane. The other main event scene (you know, the one with the world title) has been reduced to filler, so Shane-O can hog the last 10 minutes of the show, and the opening 15 while he's at it.

 

Bottom line is, Shane is just like the rest of the McMahons (minus Linda, who knows her role). He's out there for attention. However, instead of just gloating about how great he is like Vince or Steph, he just takes a huge bump, which focuses entirely on him (i.e. no one thinks of Steve Blackman knocking Shane off the tron, or even jumping on him afterwards; no thinks about Kurt throwing Shane on to the glass). He's just as much an attention hog as Steph or Vince, let's not kid oursleves into thinking he's actually trying to put Kane over here.

Yeah, because bumping like hell for someone would never do anything to put that guy over. Tell that to the likes of Mick Foley and Tommy Dreamer...

[Guest Trivia247]

Shane should have gotten squashed 1 minute out of the attack Not because he is smaller..because he is NOT a Wrestler!

 

If they show that Kane can take Austin's punches a Chairshot and a Stunner, and Still Situp and Chokeslam Austin then Shane should be a gnat! But Noooo He is Defending his Mama so he theoretically must be Stronger than Austin right??? in this state of hysterical vengeance...

[Guest RavishingRickRudo]

Shane is not a wrestler.

 

But he IS a McMahon.

 

And as we all know, McMahons are 10x's strong than the average joe.

[Guest CoreyLazarus416]

I wonder if Ed McMahon could whoop Kane's ass...

 

HI-YOOOOOOOOOOOO

[ChrisMWaters 0]

I wonder if Ed McMahon could whoop Kane's ass...

 

HI-YOOOOOOOOOOOO

That'll be the final match on WrestleMania 20.

 

Vince McMahon vs. Ed McMahon

[Just John 0]

Yeah, because bumping like hell for someone would never do anything to put that guy over. Tell that to the likes of Mick Foley and Tommy Dreamer...

There's a differencce between the bumps that those two take and the ones Shane takes. What exactly did Shane's bumps do for Angle or Blackman anyway? The correct answer is nothing, but it certainly put the spotlight on Shane-O. Compare that to say Mick Foley putting over The Rock. First, there was a well-established feud between two wrestlers. They had a series of matches going back and forth leading up to the Rumble and even afterwards as well. I guess you could say the defining moment was when Mick took the 12 unprotected chair shots, but people know it was the Rock who dished out those shots.

 

The difference simply boils down to what the average fan thinks.

 

Rumble 99: Man, did you see Mick take all those chair shots from the Rock?

 

S. Slam 2000: Man, did you see Shane fall off the Titan Tron?

 

One puts over the guy, the other one doesn't. Like I said, Shane's bumps did nothing for Steve Blackman or Kurt Angle. Mick Foley also did more than just bump. He actually had a long, established feud, making sure that when Rocky or Hunter went over, it was significant, not just Mick bumping his ass off.

[Damaramu 0]

Something else I noticed about Shane....how could anyone think he's cool? Do you see the way he dances to the ring and bobbles his head? Ugh..it's terrible.

And now I'm rewatching KOTR2001...yup there's Shane taking down Olympic Gold Medal winner Kurt Angle and outwrestling him. Yup.....when Shane goes against any wrestler it should go liike this...and I mean ANY wrestler:

*Shane goes to punch wrestler*

Wrestler: That didn't hurt....

*murders Shane for rest of match*

[DangerousDamon 0]

Shane should have gotten squashed 1 minute out of the attack Not because he is smaller..because he is NOT a Wrestler!

Wait.....

 

so every wrestler in WWE can kick the ass of every non wrestler on the planet?!

[Damaramu 0]

No just the ones that get involved on the TV show. Especially the skinny little rich kid ones.

[DangerousDamon 0]

No just the ones that get involved on the TV show. Especially the skinny little rich kid ones.

Aha

[Guest EternallyLazy]

sounds like bitching just for the sake of bitching to me

 

Seems to be alot of that going around nowdays

[Damaramu 0]

How is it bitching for the sake of bitching? The guy is not a wrestler and he's getting over on wrestlers and he's been doing it since he showed up on TV. How is that a good thing!? Please enlighten me!

[Guest EternallyLazy]

How is it bitching for the sake of bitching? The guy is not a wrestler and he's getting over on wrestlers and he's been doing it since he showed up on TV. How is that a good thing!? Please enlighten me!

are you gonna cry about it?? Can I see a tear?? Pleeeease??

 

Who fucking cares! It's a storyline. It's not like Shanes gonna go over and face HHH at the next pay per view. Infact, he's probably gonna get murdered in the eventual Kane match, just like he practically got murdered in the Kurt Angle match.

 

You guys take some of this shit waaay too seriously sometimes, and by doing this you forget what you're watching and what it's all about in the first place

[Damaramu 0]

How is it bitching for the sake of bitching? The guy is not a wrestler and he's getting over on wrestlers and he's been doing it since he showed up on TV. How is that a good thing!? Please enlighten me!

are you gonna cry about it?? Can I see a tear?? Pleeeease??

 

Who fucking cares! It's a storyline. It's not like Shanes gonna go over and face HHH at the next pay per view. Infact, he's probably gonna get murdered in the eventual Kane match, just like he practically got murdered in the Kurt Angle match.

 

You guys take some of this shit waaay too seriously sometimes, and by doing this you forget what you're watching and what it's all about in the first place

Oh man now how old are you? 5? Grow the fuck up. That was one of the most childish things I've ever seen anyone do.

 

Anyways all jackassness aside.....if I remember right he put up a good fight against Kurt Angle. Oh and he seems to be putting up a good fight against Kane. If he gets any offense in in a match with Kane and Kane sells it then there is a problem. KANE SHOULD NOT SELL FOR SHANE MCMAHON. NO WRESTLER SHOULD SELL FOR SHANE MCMAHON. He is not a wrestler and he should not be viewed as a viable threat. That is all there is to it....

[Guest ManKinnd]

Yeah, because bumping like hell for someone would never do anything to put that guy over. Tell that to the likes of Mick Foley and Tommy Dreamer...

There's a differencce between the bumps that those two take and the ones Shane takes. What exactly did Shane's bumps do for Angle or Blackman anyway? The correct answer is nothing, but it certainly put the spotlight on Shane-O. Compare that to say Mick Foley putting over The Rock. First, there was a well-established feud between two wrestlers. They had a series of matches going back and forth leading up to the Rumble and even afterwards as well. I guess you could say the defining moment was when Mick took the 12 unprotected chair shots, but people know it was the Rock who dished out those shots.

 

The difference simply boils down to what the average fan thinks.

 

Rumble 99: Man, did you see Mick take all those chair shots from the Rock?

 

S. Slam 2000: Man, did you see Shane fall off the Titan Tron?

 

One puts over the guy, the other one doesn't. Like I said, Shane's bumps did nothing for Steve Blackman or Kurt Angle. Mick Foley also did more than just bump. He actually had a long, established feud, making sure that when Rocky or Hunter went over, it was significant, not just Mick bumping his ass off.

That argument is just too easy for you to make. There's no real evidence in what people say about these bumps when the happen or when they're referenced. I will say this, though, that everyone remembers who it was who knocked Shane off the Titantron and who suplexed Shane through glass. You can't tell me they don't.

You can't just put up some dialouge you thought up and pretend like it's the truth. You really know what every mark remembers from Shane's bump? Wow, that's quite the talent.

Saying these did nothing for Blackman or Angle is pretty unwarranted. Blackman became a better hardcore champion because of it, because it got him good exposure, just like a great match that comes out of nowhere will do for the participants.

Angle and Shane had a great brawl, bottom line. You can tell me that you didn't enjoy it, or it was a bump/spot fest, but from most opinions I've heard of the match, people really liked it. And the simple fact is that you can't remember a great match and only remember or care about one guy, even if one guy totally carried the other. You're REALLY telling me that people say: "Shane got thrown through glass! How cool! Well, I don't remember who did the suplexing, but who cares?" People know it was Angle and it made him look like a total badass. If you don't believe or agree with that, that's fine, but if you saw someone throw someone through a wall, you'd remember, wouldn't you?

This specific topic is hard to discuss, because it deals with how wrestlers are viewed after certain matches, and that's really quite subjective.

 

But there's my two cents.

[Dandy 0]

For the sake of argument, Shane always gets a pretty good reaction, is not on TV year round, and puts on a pretty good show when he does wrestle. He almost never goes over unless the Corporation cheated their ass off (which gave the face wrestler more cheers as the underdog against all those odds), and he does put the other wrestler over with his bumps. Angle was put over as someone that dealt out a lot of punishment on Shane-O-Mac. Suplexing a guy through glass and bouncing his head of the concrete several times does constitute making Angle look good, IMO.

 

And another point is this....Shane is not your typical "non-wrestler" as you guys put it. He is simply not on the roster year-round, which in reality would make him fresh. Ever see people take a long time off for an injury? They (usually) come back injury-free and have been able to maintain a better physique because they don't have to put up with the daily rigors of matches and little sleep on the road. Shane should be able to get some offense in every now and then, and in the end, the established wrestler regroups and finishes him off. I see nothing wrong with this. Shane is by no means a "skinny little rich boy."