VINCE ASKS FOR A FAVOR,

[Guest humongous2002]

Since WWE announced the change of the SummerSlam main event on Raw last night, I have gotten a number of emails from people who see a HHH conspiracy in the works. That isn't the case. From what I am hearing, there are three reasons for the main event being changed and they are more Bill Goldberg related than anything else.

 

In the first case, the company has not gotten what they expected from Goldberg since he has joined the company. There was a general feeling in the company that if they put him in a singles match with HHH, they would have probably had to put the title on him, which more and more it seems that they have been against doing. In addition to not being happy with how he has gotten over since he came to WWE, he also doesn't work many house shows so if he became champion, they would be stuck in a situation where there would be no title matches on the house shows.

 

Then, Triple H injured his groin last week and will almost certainly be at well less than 100% for the SummerSlam match. So, by adding a gimmick and more people to the bout, it was something of a precaution in case HHH is severely limited in what he can do in the ring. It leaves WWE with other booking options if HHH can't carry things.

 

But, what may have turned into the big reason for the change in the match occurred last week. After Triple H was injured last Monday night at Raw in his dark match with Goldberg, Vince McMahon personally asked Goldberg to go on the Australia tour and fill in for the injured champion since HHH was advertised as the headliner for months leading up to the shows. Goldberg was not scheduled to go overseas due to the limited dates clause in his contract (believed to be 5 or 6 shots a month) and thus would have been a perfect "make good" to the Australian fans. McMahon asked Goldberg to go on the tour and Goldberg did not, reportedly saying he had other things scheduled for the week. McMahon was said to have replied with an answer like "no problem" but many in the company view what happened differently.

 

From what I have heard from a number of people in the company, Goldberg's turning down the boss was the talk of the Australia tour among the employees, with most feeling that Goldberg sliced his own throat professionally by not helping the company when they needed him. While Goldberg was within his contractual rights to not go to Australia, it showed to many that he isn't a "team player" and this, in conjunction with his inflexibility to work house shows for the company, has led a few people in the company to tell me that it would not surprise them to see Goldberg leave WWE in the near future. There is a feeling among many that it was a poor choice by Goldberg to not go on the tour when the company needed him.

 

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Don't let the door hit ya in your no talented bald ass S.H.I.T.berg.

[Guest Jobber of the Week]

Check the "other reason for the elimination chamber" thread.

[Guest humongous2002]

Ooops, i did a Shitberg.

[Guest AndrewTS]

"Favor"--I really hate that term when a boss uses it. I'm not your friend, I'm your employee. I don't do "favors," thank you very much.

 

Now, if I need the money and don't have too many hours, if the overtime pay is good I may work it for you, but it's not a "favor."

 

I hate Goldberg, but more power to him. He owes Vince nothing. This is what Vince gets for hiring him and banking on him so heavily. We all knew he's just in it for as much money as he can get for as little work as possible and doesn't give a crap about the company as a whole.

[Guest jester]

Didn't the same thing happen with Hogan about a year ago, only Hogan asked for more money to do the tour?

 

Anyway, knowing Goldberg's attitude, I'm surprised Vince bothered to ask. Of course, maybe he already knew the answer is just starting to build a list of reasons to can him.

[Guest EricMM]

Why does this remind me of the "flair" scene from Office Space?

 

"Vince how many days do I have to work?"

 

"Goldberg, we just want you to work as many days as you want to, express yourself!"

 

"How many is that, Vince? Five, six?"

 

and so on

[Guest Trivia247]

sometimes you go on hope. heres a guy in Goldberg who don't give two shits about the business beyond the paycheck..and yet when booked WCW wise was the single most over guy in their company...for about a year or two. You hear often from ex WCW wrestlers how shocked they were on how the treatment was universally different than in WCW. Its your guess wheither that was their honest opinion or the company line. If its true you'd think That Goldberg's attitude may be swayed a bit where instead of people bending people over just to get atop as was the WCW atmosphere, he gets the WWE "Family Feel" Vibe.

 

So Vince asks him as a favor, but almost as a measuring stick on Goldberg's loyalites will he help the company out because of HHH's injury. and Goldberg says no.

 

that gages pretty much anyone's opinion on where Goldberg is...for those of us who for some inept reason thought Goldberg cared more than his paycheck.

 

so if Goldberg won't help the WWE why should the WWE help him? Give him the world title? After that nahhh the elimination chamber gives 4 other guys a shot at the title. if HHH loses, its a 1/4 odds that Goldberg won't either. So you got Orton Jericho Nash and HBK 2 are HHH old buddies and Orton is his new buddy.... guess the really screwed ones is Jericho and Goldberg heh

[Guest The Old Me]

Anyway, knowing Goldberg's attitude, I'm surprised Vince bothered to ask. Of course, maybe he already knew the answer is just starting to build a list of reasons to can him.

I think you hit the nail on the head.

[Guest AndrewTS]

Why does this remind me of the "flair" scene from Office Space?

 

"Vince how many days do I have to work?"

 

"Goldberg, we just want you to work as many days as you want to, express yourself!"

 

"How many is that, Vince?  Five, six?"

 

and so on

When I think of bosses asking for "favors" I can't help but think of Office Space.

 

Although I was thinking more of the scene where the boss is calling and calling and calling for our star to come into work and he's just in bed sleeping while the answering machine keeps recording the messages.

 

Maybe one day Spike Dudley will burn down Titan Towers.

[syxx2001 0]

I bet you all feel stupid for saying "Triple H doesn't want to job to Mr. Career Killer. Im sick of his shit!" in the RAW thread.

[Guest AndrewTS]

I bet you all feel stupid for saying "Triple H doesn't want to job to Mr. Career Killer. Im sick of his shit!" in the RAW thread.

I didn't say that, but he still doesn't want to job to Goldy I guarantee you, but now he won't have to lose one-on-one, so this works out perfectly for when he's healthy again.

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Ok if your boss publically called you a failure, made you look like a chump when started working for him, changed everything that made you succesful, and after that asked you to work on days you weren't supposed to work when you already had plans, would you honestly jump on the chance? Also how many of you do your job for the love of it and not for the money? Not me honestly and I think most who would so yes are either lucky to find a job they enjoy or are lying through thier teeth.

[Guest IV:XX]

The problem with "favors" is that once you do one, the boss thinks he can count on you far all kinds of shit. I can't blame G'Berg for that.

[Guest Lightning Flik]

The problem with "favors" is that once you do one, the boss thinks he can count on you far all kinds of shit.  I can't blame G'Berg for that.

^ what he said.

 

That's how it was at my job at Blockbuster. I used to do "favors" all the time. Shit, I don't think they even bothered asking anyone else to come in and bail out someone else's shift. They'd phone me and of course, I want the money, so I say yes, but before I quit my job (just recently) I'd say I have things plan and they are "but your the only one who can come in, I've got no one else to fall back on"

 

Thusly, I understand why Goldberg said no.

[Guest AndrewTS]

Ok if your boss publically called you a failure, made you look like a chump when started working for him, changed everything that made you succesful, and after that asked you to work on days you weren't supposed to work when you already had plans, would you honestly jump on the chance? Also how many of you do your job for the love of it and not for the money? Not me honestly and I think most who would so yes are either lucky to find a job they enjoy or are lying through thier teeth.

Because being a wrestler or a pro athlete is general is SO comparable to what the average person does to put food on the table.

 

Most pro-wrestlers wrestle because that is their dream job. It's was their "fire fighter" or "rock star" or "astronaut" ambition.

 

Goldberg was a washed up football player who was lucky enough to be force-fed as a monster to WCW fans. Of course he doesn't have the same outlook on the business as most wrestlers. Nash was the same way--a washed up basketball player. HHH is selfish as all hell but he does give back to the business in every way except for jobbing or helping get guys that the fans want as main eventers over.

 

And "disappointment" is what Linda called him. Considering that Rock/Goldberg was built up well and no one gave a shit about Goldberg I think that's fitting.

 

And Goldberg has creative control so I don't want to hear this pissing and moaning because he not only could have vetoed it but Goldie did wear those SAME TIGHTS IN JAPAN.

[Guest jester]

The problem with "favors" is that once you do one, the boss thinks he can count on you far all kinds of shit. I can't blame G'Berg for that.

Amen.

 

Furthermore, going into this Goldberg pretty much held up flashing neon signs that said "Will only wrestle on my terms and one of those terms is a clear and big paycheck for everything I do."

 

Vince agreed, so he shouldn't be surprised when Goldberg doesn't want to do something outside his contract.

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Because being a wrestler or a pro athlete is general is SO comparable to what the average person does to put food on the table.

 

Most pro-wrestlers wrestle because that is their dream job. It's was their "fire fighter" or "rock star" or "astronaut" ambition.

 

Dream job or no the principle is the same.  He signed a contract with all terms known before hand.  If touring Australlia was in his contract he probably would have had no problem with it whatsoever.

 

And "disappointment" is what Linda called him. Considering that Rock/Goldberg was built up well and no one gave a shit about Goldberg I think that's fitting.

 

And Goldberg has creative control so I don't want to hear this pissing and moaning because he not only could have vetoed it but Goldie did wear those SAME TIGHTS IN JAPAN.

 

Yeah playing dueling mics with the best mic worker in WWE, getting beatdown with a chair almost every week, and Rocky's face promo before their match was built so well. I didn't mention the tights change because that was generally known that he changed before he showed up in WWE, what wasn't true to his WCW character was a comedy skit with Goldust, changeing his well-known theme music, and haveing him spend a large amount of his matches selling which isn't his strong skill. He got over with a very defined character in WCW, a strong silent beater of ass and that really isn't what WWE has presented him as beingthe majority of the time.

Edited August 5, 2003 by frozenblockofpissreborn

[Guest cabbageboy]

Goldberg is well within his rights on this one. We're not talking about bailing someone out by driving 3 miles to work here. This was international travel and he didn't even have a passport at the time Vince called.

 

Similar thing happened to me one time. I had just started at a gas station and had been there two days (in short didn't know what the hell I was doing). Could barely operate the register at that point, knew nothing about how the lotto machine worked. There was this convict that worked there nights on a work release but the cops would always hassle him and he'd be late. So, when this happened they called me up on my off day saying he couldn't be there and wanted me to work the 11pm-6am shift.....alone. Seriously, I just said "I can barely operate the register and have generally no clue at this point...I'm certainly not ready to run the store by myself on a graveyard shift."

 

Would you believe the manager said "Well then don't bother coming back at all then!?" I didn't either.

[Guest The Grand Pubah of 1620]

Goldberg is well within his rights on this one. We're not talking about bailing someone out by driving 3 miles to work here. This was international travel and he didn't even have a passport at the time Vince called.

 

Similar thing happened to me one time. I had just started at a gas station and had been there two days (in short didn't know what the hell I was doing). Could barely operate the register at that point, knew nothing about how the lotto machine worked. There was this convict that worked there nights on a work release but the cops would always hassle him and he'd be late. So, when this happened they called me up on my off day saying he couldn't be there and wanted me to work the 11pm-6am shift.....alone. Seriously, I just said "I can barely operate the register and have generally no clue at this point...I'm certainly not ready to run the store by myself on a graveyard shift."

 

Would you believe the manager said "Well then don't bother coming back at all then!?" I didn't either.

He sounds like about as big an asshole as Vince.

 

But Goldberg was well within his rights to turn Vince down. But Vince always gets mad when he doesn't get his way.

[Only The Strong Survive 0]

Goldberg's contract only requires him to do certain things. Touring Australia to fill in for Triple H was not one of them. That's the bottom line, period. If Vince though he could ask for a "favor," seeing as how him and Vince are so (not) close, then he was definitely 100% wrong and should have been smart enough to know that.

 

Wait... he's Vince... Meh...

[Guest Super Pissed Smark]

 

Goldberg is quickly becoming my favorite wrestler. Er, WWE personality.

 

Might I ask just when is Vince going to become a "team player"?

[Lil' Bitch 0]

First, England. Now Australia. What country is next for Goldberg to turn down?

 

Hate to be his fans over there that's for sure.

[Guest RickyB]

Earlier, we reported about Bill Goldberg refusing to take Triple H's spot on the Australia tour at Vince McMahon's request. The exact details of this story are this. Goldberg was asked by Vince on Tuesday afternoon after he had already returned to his home in Atlanta following Raw. However, his passport was at his home in San Diego. In addition, there was no work visa in place for Goldberg to work on the tour since he was a last-minute consideration making it next to impossible for him to be a part of the tour. In fact, it is being said that Goldberg never said he wouldn't do it. Unfortunately, that's not the story that circulated among the WWE locker room.

 

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You lot should probably find out the facts before commenting on the rumours.

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If we waited for facts, we would never post at all.

[Guest Nanks]

I wouldn't have wanted him here anyway. It would've been highly amusing to see if the crowd would've boo-ed him or not. But given that Nash got a face pop it's probably unlikely. Gee, I wonder why they can't get crowds to cheer for this guy....

[Guest CanadianChris]

You lot should probably find out the facts before commenting on the rumours.

I think the fact that someone went out of their way to make it seem like Goldberg was acting like a self-centred prick at the expense of the company is an interesting story in itself. Seems like they can't wait for him to be gone.

[Guest Lightning Flik]

I think the fact that someone went out of their way to make it seem like Goldberg was acting like a self-centred prick at the expense of the company is an interesting story in itself. Seems like they can't wait for him to be gone.

I can take a "wild guess" at who probably started it.

 

Anyone like to make that same "wild guess"? Maybe we'll all come upon the same answer.

[Guest AndrewTS]

I think the fact that someone went out of their way to make it seem like Goldberg was acting like a self-centred prick at the expense of the company is an interesting story in itself.  Seems like they can't wait for him to be gone.

I can take a "wild guess" at who probably started it.

 

Anyone like to make that same "wild guess"? Maybe we'll all come upon the same answer.

Maybe this was the same person who instigated the Jericho/Goldberg fight?

[Guest Korgath]

In the end, the issue isn't about the fans, the company or the business. It's about plain economics.

 

Vince is ALREADY paying Bill more than enough without extra clauses to work house shows and/or tour. Who's the braniac who penned that contract?

[Guest Lightning Flik]

I think the fact that someone went out of their way to make it seem like Goldberg was acting like a self-centred prick at the expense of the company is an interesting story in itself.  Seems like they can't wait for him to be gone.

I can take a "wild guess" at who probably started it.

 

Anyone like to make that same "wild guess"? Maybe we'll all come upon the same answer.

Maybe this was the same person who instigated the Jericho/Goldberg fight?

Oh, I think we're probably getting somewhere with that answer.