Cherry Blossom Viscount 0 Report post Posted August 6, 2003 "Shave your Back" is real heat? No different than the "You Suck" chants Angle got. But I'm not telling you something you don't already know. *cue cheesy music* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest D'Lo White Report post Posted August 6, 2003 "Shave your Back" is real heat? No different than the "You Suck" chants Angle got. But I'm not telling you something you don't already know. *cue cheesy music* No, its more like the"X-Pac Sucks" chants. People chant "You Suck"at Angle because they like to make fun of him. They chant at X-Pac and A-Train because their bored when they are out there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cherry Blossom Viscount 0 Report post Posted August 6, 2003 *Yawn* *Hands guy his OFFICIAL Smark Card* You earned it junior. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted August 6, 2003 Can we at least wait until we see the match before we debate how well Taker put Cena over? No- the spoilers make it quite clear what happened. Taker kicked out when Cena tried to pin him after A-Train left. A-Train still hurt Taker in the match. Cena did not beat Taker himself. Cena then pinned Undertaker WITH HIS OWN FINISHING MOVE. Doesn't get much cleaner than that folks. Yes it does- John Cena beats Undertaker with no help at all. Do you think HBK v. Jericho 2 was clean? Albert interfered, but he did not play a part in the final outcome of the match. So yes, Cena did beat Taker by himself. No he didn't- A-Train provided some assistance in the ultimate victory. He weakened Taker. If Cena had pinned Taker after A-Train interfered, than I would say Cena did not get put over as well as he could have, but that's not what went down. While it could've been worse- it wasn't as good as it should've and could've been. What do you want, the bell to ring, and Taker to just lay down and let Cena pin him in three seconds? No- I wanted a good hard fought back and forth match that Cena wins clean with the FU. A win is a win. I hate when people say, "Well so-so and won, but they didn't look strong winning." So John Cena needing 3 people, a chain, and a ref bump to defeat Taker helped put him over? There are different ways to win a match. People who do that analyze things too much, what matters at the end of the match is whose shoulders are on the mat for three seconds, and who won the match. That's all your average WWE fan pays attention to. The rest of it is over-analysis in my view. No it's not- You think Coach and King hammering home that Jericho's win over HBK was "tainted" makes people take Jericho seriously? No. When PJ Walker beat IRS thanks to Razor Ramon- did people suddenly think PJ to be a world class star? No Should Taker have put Cena over at Vengeance? Yes he should have, but he didn't, and that was Vince's call. He made up for it a week later, and Cena got the clean win. Cena was made to look like a complete bitch at Vengeance and then needs help beating Taker a week later. Good job Mark. And just like I expected, Cena got his win over Taker, and there's nothing for him to do now. They could play him as a heel or face and have him with feud some mid or uppercarders. So as it turns out, a win over Undertaker doesn't mean as much as everyone thought it did. Actually- if they play up it as a big deal a win over Undertaker DOES mean something. But the fact is it happened, and all the Undertaker bashers can once again sit down. Until Taker does more clean jobs- I'm not sitting down Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Trivia247 Report post Posted August 6, 2003 (edited) Point being obviously If Taker can't get squashed in under 5 minutes to Certain peoples satisfaction to propel the career of a guy who makes Batistia jealous with his three moves. And who truly deserves a Main event push because...he can RAP and so therefore must get a World title, Then the Undertaker simply isn't being a team player and must be hunted down and destroyed! Da Bastage! takes a road trip to a certain Car dealership to bring back the Anti smark Messah to the WWE just to Squash Cena! Edited August 6, 2003 by Trivia247 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted August 6, 2003 When I ride these trains I, in no way, think of giant bald jewish men with tiny pants and lots of piercings. There's having a nickname, and then there's having fucking train horns as music... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mr. Adam Report post Posted August 6, 2003 I doubt WWE could actually write foreshadowing like that... However...WWE will completely fuck things up if they don't have a Taker/Kane confrontation at Summer Slam because it's the first time they will be in the same building since the UnMasking... I remember the last time on camera together was before the opening of No Mercy. The week after the necrophaelia garbage and Taker's TracyGate thing. Kane: "So, how was your week?" And Taker just gives him a 'what the fuck?' sort of double take. Funny shit. And on an unrelated note, was the Andy Anderson the same Andy Anderson of early days UFC? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted August 7, 2003 Point being obviously If Taker can't get squashed in under 5 minutes to Certain peoples satisfaction to propel the career of a guy who makes Batistia jealous with his three moves As usual trivia completely misses the point. I said the match should be a good back and forth match where Cena eventually goes over cleanly because of the FU. And who truly deserves a Main event push because...he can RAP Whether you like it or not- John Cena IS over and should be pushed because of it. and so therefore must get a World title Didn't say that. Then the Undertaker simply isn't being a team player He isn't a team player. Except for a few occasions- since he's been back- he's been a waste of space who should retire Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted August 7, 2003 For the love of fucking God, almost NO ONE has beaten Undertaker 100% clean. Not Angle, Not Rock, Not Austin, Not Hogan, Not HHH. And we're bitching because he jobbed to John Cena's finishing move some undetermined time after Albert ran in and accomplished nothing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted August 7, 2003 Foley went over clean once... Brock Lesnar went over clean. That has count. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted August 7, 2003 Foley went over clean once... Brock Lesnar went over clean. That has count. Brock was the only one I could think of. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted August 7, 2003 For the love of fucking God, almost NO ONE has beaten Undertaker 100% clean. Not Angle, Not Rock, Not Austin, Not Hogan, Not HHH. And we're bitching because he jobbed to John Cena's finishing move some undetermined time after Albert ran in and accomplished nothing? Austin beat Taker clean at Summerslam 98 and at RAW the night after King of Ring. And yes- I am bitching about it. It's the same shit they did with HBK v. Jericho and that didn't help anyone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted August 7, 2003 For the love of fucking God, almost NO ONE has beaten Undertaker 100% clean. Not Angle, Not Rock, Not Austin, Not Hogan, Not HHH. And we're bitching because he jobbed to John Cena's finishing move some undetermined time after Albert ran in and accomplished nothing? Austin beat Taker clean at Summerslam 98 and at RAW the night after King of Ring. And yes- I am bitching about it. It's the same shit they did with HBK v. Jericho and that didn't help anyone. I thought Austin beat Kane the night after King of the Ring. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted August 7, 2003 Foley went over clean once... Brock Lesnar went over clean. That has count. Brock was the only one I could think of. I'm sure there is another but that said person likely got so buried in the fued we forgot him... Hogan? No...Chair... Yoko? 10 guys... Mabel? I'm pretty sure Mo interfered or SOMEONE did... God if the list is Lesnar/Mabel...geez. Foley got on Taker I believe on a Raw... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted August 7, 2003 For the love of fucking God, almost NO ONE has beaten Undertaker 100% clean. Not Angle, Not Rock, Not Austin, Not Hogan, Not HHH. And we're bitching because he jobbed to John Cena's finishing move some undetermined time after Albert ran in and accomplished nothing? Austin beat Taker clean at Summerslam 98 and at RAW the night after King of Ring. And yes- I am bitching about it. It's the same shit they did with HBK v. Jericho and that didn't help anyone. I thought Austin beat Kane the night after King of the Ring. He beat him the night after King of the Ring 99 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted August 7, 2003 For the love of fucking God, almost NO ONE has beaten Undertaker 100% clean. Not Angle, Not Rock, Not Austin, Not Hogan, Not HHH. And we're bitching because he jobbed to John Cena's finishing move some undetermined time after Albert ran in and accomplished nothing? Austin beat Taker clean at Summerslam 98 and at RAW the night after King of Ring. And yes- I am bitching about it. It's the same shit they did with HBK v. Jericho and that didn't help anyone. I thought Austin beat Kane the night after King of the Ring. No that was in 1998 after the HIAC interference... In 1999 after Taker beat the rock and Austin was the GM... Austin booked a match for the title. and won. This segment was the ALL TIME RATINGS RECORD holder for wwf and still is with a 9.1 over run. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted August 7, 2003 For the love of fucking God, almost NO ONE has beaten Undertaker 100% clean. Not Angle, Not Rock, Not Austin, Not Hogan, Not HHH. And we're bitching because he jobbed to John Cena's finishing move some undetermined time after Albert ran in and accomplished nothing? Austin beat Taker clean at Summerslam 98 and at RAW the night after King of Ring. And yes- I am bitching about it. It's the same shit they did with HBK v. Jericho and that didn't help anyone. Austin punched him in the balls directly leading to his victory while Taker was completely in control at Summerslam. Raw after KotR I do remembe being clean. Whether you like it or not- John Cena IS over and should be pushed because of it. And Taker...isn't over? What advantage does Cena hold over Taker besides youth? Sure as fuck isn't in ring talent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted August 7, 2003 Foley got on Taker I believe on a Raw... Foley also beat Taker clean (I believe, it's been a while) clean in King of the Ring 1996. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted August 7, 2003 Austin punched him in the balls directly leading to his victory while Taker was completely in control at Summerslam. The match was no holds barred and it wasn't really the low blow that put Taker away. It just set him up for the stunner. Raw after KotR I do remembe being clean. There was interference from the Corporate Ministry so Austin had to overcome that to beat him. What advantage does Cena hold over Taker besides youth? Charisma, ability to connect with the fans, youth, more long term potential. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted August 7, 2003 I believe Taker also did a clean job to Triple H at Insurrextion 2002 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted August 7, 2003 I believe Taker also did a clean job to Triple H at Insurrextion 2002 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted August 7, 2003 Austin punched him in the balls directly leading to his victory while Taker was completely in control at Summerslam. The match was no holds barred and it wasn't really the low blow that put Taker away. It just set him up for the stunner. It totally derailed him. He was going in for the kill. And the Albert-ference isn't what totally did Taker in this week. Charisma, ability to connect with the fans, youth, more long term potential. I'm an awful judge on the first two most of the time, but Taker doesn't strike me as a guy who bores or can't connect with fans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted August 7, 2003 Austin punched him in the balls directly leading to his victory while Taker was completely in control at Summerslam. The match was no holds barred and it wasn't really the low blow that put Taker away. It just set him up for the stunner. It totally derailed him. He was going in for the kill. And the Albert-ference isn't what totally did Taker in this week. Charisma, ability to connect with the fans, youth, more long term potential. I'm an awful judge on the first two most of the time, but Taker doesn't strike me as a guy who bores or can't connect with fans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted August 7, 2003 It totally derailed him. He was going in for the kill. Had he not hit the Stunner- it wouldn't have mattered. The low blow just put Taker in Stunner position. And the Albert-ference isn't what totally did Taker in this week. It still hindered his ability to compete in the match and helped John Cena win the match. I'm an awful judge on the first two most of the time, but Taker doesn't strike me as a guy who bores or can't connect with fans. I ddn't say that Taker doesn't have that ability- but Cena is better at it. Also- Taker's promos are usually: YOU PISSED ME OFF. I RUN THE YARD. PAYBACK IS A BITCH SON! I'M THE DEADMAN- I'LL MAKE YOU FAMOUS. At least Cena mixes it up once in a while Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest RavishingRickRudo Report post Posted August 7, 2003 Albert's run-in puts doubt into Takers loss - "Had Albert not ran in, would Taker have won?" - given that their last match was just a few days ago and Taker won convincingly, that doubt is strong and it taints Cenas victory. Not that I care about Cena or anything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted August 7, 2003 Also- Taker's promos are usually: YOU PISSED ME OFF. I RUN THE YARD. PAYBACK IS A BITCH SON! I'M THE DEADMAN- I'LL MAKE YOU FAMOUS. At least Cena mixes it up once in a while Yes, he knows 37 different ways to call someone gay and say that his dick is big. Had he not hit the Stunner- it wouldn't have mattered. The low blow just put Taker in Stunner position. Has he not hit the low blow, Taker would have won. It still hindered his ability to compete in the match and helped John Cena win the match. So interference six minutes before a finisher-pin has more effect on the finish than a ball shot 6 seconds before a finisher-pin? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Askewniverse Report post Posted August 7, 2003 Rikishi beat Taker relatively clean on the 12/04/00 episode of Raw. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted August 7, 2003 Yes, he knows 37 different ways to call someone gay and say that his dick is big. Not all of his promos are like that. Has he not hit the low blow, Taker would have won. We don't know that. He was going for Old School and Austin countered with a ballshot. So interference six minutes before a finisher-pin has more effect on the finish than a ball shot 6 seconds before a finisher-pin? Austin v. Taker was a No Holds Barred match so the low blow was legal. In Taker v. Cena- A-Train's run in was illegal. And as Rudo said- We don't know if Cena could've beaten Taker without A-Train's help. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anglesault Report post Posted August 7, 2003 Not all of his promos are like that. Prove it. And as Rudo said- We don't know if Cena could've beaten Taker without A-Train's help. And we don't know if Austin would have beaten Taker without the ballshot. I wouldn't be shocked if Taker/Cena on SD! is NHB or the equivalent there of. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest bob_barron Report post Posted August 7, 2003 Not all of his promos are like that. Prove it. And as Rudo said- We don't know if Cena could've beaten Taker without A-Train's help. And we don't know if Austin would have beaten Taker without the ballshot. I wouldn't be shocked if Taker/Cena on SD! is NHB or the equivalent there of. “The list of legends that held the title, now include bro I’ll be a better champion than Bruno Sammartino This is thugonomics…I got opponents holding crutches I’m Iron like the Shiek, I got you in my Camel Clutches I lost my mind like Mankind, pulling socks from his ass crack I’m straight, you’re Dude Love so get off the Cactus, Jack I take your varsity letters and medals I’ll leave you mangled and hurt I’m attacking from all angles… You’ll be calling me Kurt. And I wear this Yankees jersey…Cuz Massachusetts makes me sick You don’t like what I’m saying….well you can suck my..” Surprise, we right here before your eyes All you women want me, I’m the envy of all your guys Thats cuz you rely on flippin burgers and servin fries Your girls with us, I’m bout to find her bra size Its a new era, a new message that we’re sendin It starts tonight, right here at Armageddon No sweatin, I don’t care who I piss off From Stephanie McMahon, straight over to Eric Bischoff We never soft, we never leave a man standin You either deal with me or with Bling Bling Buchanan We the man, son, and we attackin this arrangment The NEW centerpiece of World Wrestling Entertainment I don't know where you can find a transcript of his promos but there was one where he rapped about Benoit being a Dynamite ripoff. The one at MSG had him rapping about Wrestlemania XX. And we don't know if Austin would have beaten Taker without the ballshot. He could've booted him and then stunned him for the win. Instead for insurance- he ballshotted him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
