Did the NWO get

[Guest Kid Kablam]

I was recently on wrestlecrap, and I saw the finger poke of doom listed, and it got me thinking: Did the NWO get the HHHate treatment at the peak of their dominance? I mean, I don't know what the internet was like back then, but if it's anything like it is now, I would think that they would have been barbequed. Also, I was wondering if the were HHHater haters who defended the NWO and claimed that smarks were overreacting and reading too much into things.

 

It seems to me, that just like the NWO situation, the McMahons (with HHH) are telling us that it doesn't matter what we want, it just matters what the status quo wants. From what I hear, WCW was much worse in terms of holding down talent, but in recent months I've started to wonder.

[JasonX 0]

I was recently on wrestlecrap, and I saw the finger poke of doom listed, and it got me thinking: Did the NWO get the HHHate treatment at the peak of their dominance? I mean, I don't know what the internet was like back then, but if it's anything like it is now, I would think that they would have been barbequed. Also, I was wondering if the were HHHater haters who defended the NWO and claimed that smarks were overreacting and reading too much into things.

 

It seems to me, that just like the NWO situation, the McMahons (with HHH) are telling us that it doesn't matter what we want, it just matters what the status quo wants. From what I hear, WCW was much worse in terms of holding down talent, but in recent months I've started to wonder.

NWO was less hated because WCW was able to balance things MUCH MUCH better than WWE has with HHH. WCW didn't do shit like Brand Extension and gave the rest of the roster time on both shows to keep the NWO in check and give people a reason to watch Nitro and Thunder and to pacify them.....

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Absolutely. Hogan in particular got the HHHater treatment and there were always dumb marks around to defend him.

[Guest The Real Nosferatu]

::points to myself on that one::

[Guest Boo_Bradley]

NWO was less hated because WCW was able to balance things MUCH MUCH better than WWE has with HHH. WCW didn't do shit like Brand Extension and gave the rest of the roster time on both shows to keep the NWO in check and give people a reason to watch Nitro and Thunder and to pacify them.....

Yeah cause NWO elite (Bret, Nash, Hall, Steiner, Hogan) and NWO 2000 (Jarrett and the Harris Boyz (aka Nashville World Order) were mad money drawing angles....

[JasonX 0]

NWO was less hated because WCW was able to balance things MUCH MUCH better than WWE has with HHH. WCW didn't do shit like Brand Extension and gave the rest of the roster time on both shows to keep the NWO in check and give people a reason to watch Nitro and Thunder and to pacify them.....

Yeah cause NWO elite (Bret, Nash, Hall, Steiner, Hogan) and NWO 2000 (Jarrett and the Harris Boyz (aka Nashville World Order) were mad money drawing angles....

The NWO was tolerable do to the fact that WCW packed both shows with an undercard featuring Raven, Benoit, Jericho, Saturn, Eddy and Chavo Guerrero, Dean Melenko, Booker T, and the cruiserweight division that made up for the closed up and fucked up nature of the upper card.

 

Nowadays the WWE has created the ghetto to end all ghetto with their bullshit brand extension, meaning that the WWE won't give the fans the best undercard possible to make up for the fact that HHH, Undertaker, and Austin jack each other off in the upper card and bury everyone not them out of utter jealousy.

 

I'd rather have Angle, Benoit, Eddy G, and Brock in the undercard and on both shows each week than having them stuck in the ghetto like they are where they aren't saving the company from HHH, UT, and Austin, who have gotten EVEN MORE FUCKING screen time than they had before the brand extension....

[Guest The Grand Pubah of 1620]

The nWo was entertaining. Not the bullshit, but the original. Nash, Hall, and Hogan. They ruled. They never should have added anybody to the group. That's when it went to shit. That was the only mistake and worse mistake with the nWo angle.

[Silence 0]

The nWo was entertaining. Not the bullshit, but the original. Nash, Hall, and Hogan. They ruled. They never should have added anybody to the group. That's when it went to shit. That was the only mistake and worse mistake with the nWo angle.

I agree. Was there really a good reason why people like Ray Trailor, Vincent, Buff Bagwell, Konnan, Scott Steiner, etc. were even added to the group?

[JasonX 0]

I agree.  Was there really a good reason why people like Ray Trailor, Vincent, Buff Bagwell, Konnan, Scott Steiner, etc. were even added to the group?

Three ideas for the explosion of members joining the NWO:

 

1. They ran out of WWF people to join, so they started turning WCW guys to try and keep up the "holy shit, who'll join next?" vibe the group had

 

2. By the end of 1996 it became apparent that the NWO was going to start having to job in order to protect the top level WCW guys from being made into 100% pussies, so jobbers were made NWO members so that Luger, DDP, Flair, Savage, and the Giant had people to beat up while the Big Four of Hogan, Hall, Nash, and (SYXX)X-Pac didn't have to job or take a beatdown...

 

3. Since the NWO was so popular, the idea was conceived that giving even the most pathetic jobber (Bagwell) or someone who WCW kept having problems getting over (Big Boss Man) an NWO T-Shirt would magically get them over.

 

Overall, it would have made more sense if they had given the secondary NWO spots to people who deserved it (like Benoit, Jericho, or Eddy Guerrero) instead of WWF cast-offs (Big Boss Man) or jobbers who never got over (Vincent and Bagwell). Especially since these losers, do to their NWO status, were always allowed to go over the WCW undercard despite the WCW side having the more potential in the long run.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Another big factor was that Hogan did the unthinkable when he turned heel. He was no longer stale like Trips is now.

[Youth N Asia 0]

I'd rather half a dozen top guys run roughshot over the company then one...it's just better booking. But when they went over 5 or 6 guys it was just bad booking.

 

Least the NWO was entertaining for the first year

[Guest Loss]

The Hogan hate was stronger than the HHHate actually, although in retrospect it shouldn't have been quite at the level it was. Hogan was a draw until the double turn with Flair in early '99 killed off both for good, at least in WCW. Hogan/Flair nearly matched Austin/Vince as a PPV main event in February of 1999, but a lot of fans left pissed for good when they did a masterful job of building Flair up as the underdog, only to job him out, have his son turn on him and make him a psycho old man heel a few short weeks later. When Hogan turned face, he was done for all intensive purposes since the WCW crowds never really took to him as their ambassador, especially when programmed against guys like Flair and Sting.

 

Hogan did a lot of damage to WCW, but with the numbers he was producing, a lot of his power was warranted. The problem was that success or failure for WCW was entirely based on whether or not they were beating the WWF. No one noticed that 1998 was their most successful year ever simply because they were losing the ratings to the WWF all year and they were in panic mode, and matches that could have drawn monster PPV buys like Hogan/Goldberg were blown off on free TV to try to win a war that ultimately meant nothing.

 

WCW's 1998 was the WWF's 2000 in that they were at their most profitable point ever, but they made some crippling long-term decisions from which they never recovered.

[Guest Trivia247]

nWo at the peek of their popularity was actually a new concept.

 

first you had a Heel Hogan which was such a Left field concept for people who didnt know Hogan before Hulkamania that they had to watch what the guy do.

 

then the nWo stable itself was one of the largest stables ever put together on a promotion. Hell they started the concept of Taking over the Company. before the nWo the Wrestling entertainment was just it... the Promotion was the place where wrestlers fought wrestlers to settle their disputes. but when the nWo rolled around they actually went after the company.. Making WCW not just a abbrivation of the Company name, but its Own entity.

 

another thing is that the nWo at least the first sets of them were names of the WWF past. you slap on a nWo shirt call it a invasion And you have the slack jawed yokles believing Bah GAWD the nWo is from the WWF and they are taking over AHHHHH!!!

 

nWo used strength in numbers more than any other Stable in any promotion. and the Majority of the screwjob finishes was because of it.

 

Unlike HHH who's SHEER Will of the Sledge and knowing every little kinky spot on Stephanie allowed him to hold the title for a year.

 

you can't hold the nWo entirely to blame on the quality of the WCW television because the ratings were up just because of them being a alien concept. And when those complain about Hogan and Nash jerking the booking scales backstage thats because the Management was shit and allowed ACTIVE wrestlers to call the shots in booking and writing decisions.

 

HHH through Stephanie has more sole control than most of the creative team. With only Vince to overrule him (Which he rarely does) he is the aire apparent. sp

[jester 0]

I only know the NWO story mainly through SK recaps, but from what I understand HHH and NWO are a good comparison.

 

The NWO kicked the hell out of everyone, making the crowd go rabid for the day when some hero like Sting or Goldberg would kick the hell out of them and end their threat.

 

HHH kicks the hell out of everyone, making the crowd go rabid for the day when some hero like Booker or RVD will kick the hell out of him, and end his threat.

 

The NWO never fully got their beatdown, always avoiding it through some pathetic screwjob that pissed the crowd off and taught them that they would never be fully satisified.

 

HHH never fully got his beatdown, always avoiding it through some pathetic screwjob that pissed the crowd off and taught them that they would never be fully satisified.

 

WWE has a chance to correct the HHH part by having Goldberg kill HHH at Unforgiven. But because of the match stips, the outcome looks predictable. I think they should have an extra underdog element by having Evolution interfere NONSTOP throughout the match, and Goldberg wins anyway.

 

Evolution can get its heat back when Batista returns.

[Guest Super Pissed Smark]

There's another similarity between the NWO and HHH reign: Eric just couldn't bring himself to let go of the NWO storyline even when it was obviously way past time to end it and now Vince is in that exact same spot, he's so in love with Triple-H and his own heel owner storyline that's been going on forever that he just can't let go no matter how low buy rates and attendance drop.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I hated when they made "WCW/NWO" ppvs.

[Youth N Asia 0]

The NWO was too much after the first year when it seemed like new members joined every week. But it was pretty exciting in the beginning.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

HHH was once popular too. I'm referring to the NWO from late 1996 onwards, when losers like Buff Bagwell & IRS were joining the group. The NWO during the initial run was quite successful, but the backlash was a 100x worse. WCW was pretty successful prior to the NWO in 1996, but it would end up taking the entire company down.

[Agent_Bond34 0]

I hated when they made "WCW/NWO" ppvs.

How exactly did the nWo name get on the PPVs, anyway?

 

I've always wondered about that.

[dubq 0]

I hated when they made "WCW/NWO" ppvs.

How exactly did the nWo name get on the PPVs, anyway?

 

I've always wondered about that.

Bischoff was "Executive Vice President" of WCW at the time and he turned nWo, therefore his influence was felt over the shows. At least, that's how I remember it.

[JasonX 0]

I hated when they made "WCW/NWO" ppvs.

How exactly did the nWo name get on the PPVs, anyway?

 

I've always wondered about that.

It goes back towards the original plans WCW had for Thunder at Starcade. Bischoff was going to win his match against Larry Zbysco and claim Nitro for the NWO. The NWO would have complete and total control over the show and basically ban all of the main WCW wrestlers (Luger, Sting, Flair, Giant, and others) from Nitro. WCW, in an 11th hour twist, would be awarded a brand new show from Turner on TBS which would be Thunder and that the two companies would share all of their PPVs, hence the WCW/NWO label.

 

BUT this plan was aborted by Turner when Bischoff arogantly used the last Nitro before Starcade to literally stop the show 30 minutes into the show and literally tear down the WCW set and build the NWO Nitro set from scratch while fans, pissed off that there was no wrestling going on and that they were being forced to watch construction workers work, started filing out of the stands until only 25% of the audience was still sitting in the stands. Furthermore hundreds of viewers all switched channels to Raw, causing Raw to have a MASSIVE ratings increase that led them to be only a couple of ratings points short of beating Nitro that night.

 

So they aborted the plan but do to them already advertising the PPVs under the WCW/NWO label, they didn't change them and simply left it there with no explaination as to why the PPVs had that in their title...

[Guest Razor Roman]

HHH kicks the hell out of everyone, making the crowd go rabid for the day when some hero like Booker or RVD will kick the hell out of him, and end his threat.

 

HHH never fully got his beatdown, always avoiding it through some pathetic screwjob that pissed the crowd off and taught them that they would never be fully satisified.

It may sounds stupid, but I don't think I've ever been satisfied with WWE since HHH retained at Maina 2000. I hated him so much at that point (as a character) that I remember saying to my brother "Dude, if the Rock shoots HHH and he dies at WrestleMania, I still don't think that will be enough retribution for what he did to Foley" LOL. And then the bastard won. The only time I ever really enjoyed wrestling again was when it looked like Jericho was going to win the title from Austin (right before inVasion)