Guest Choken One Report post Posted November 25, 2003 I guess but I believe MOH deserves better than that... At least give them a Outback/Gator Midcard bowl... I swear it's the same teams for those every year. It's the way the bowls pick the teams that does it. Since the top team automatically gets the BCS bid, they pick the team they consider the best draw after that. Considering that the Outback and Gator are the 2nd and 3rd SEC bowls, they will always go with Tennessee, Auburn, and Florida if they're having decent seasons. Other traditional bowl choices in the SEC are the Peach Bowl picking LSU or Georgia, the Cotton Bowl picking LSU or Arkansas, and the Independance Bowl picking LSU, Arkansas or either Mississippi team. If all non-BCS bowl bids were by open competition, Miami of Ohio would still be shut out because they aren't a team that traditionally "travels well". Their best bet would still probably be the Motor City Bowl because it's the one closest to them geographically. That's another thing that annoys me... Why not have a big Bowl game in the Midwest...Somewhere like Chicago or St. Louis (with the Dome) and then you can stop having all the fucking games in Florida and Cali Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted November 25, 2003 Here is YOUR college football national television schedule for this week. As always all times are Pacific, ABC regional games are marked with an asterisk, and rankings are the BCS rankings. Tuesday North Texas at New Mexico State, 4:00 PM, ESPN2 Thursday #18 Mississippi at Mississippi State, 4:30 PM, ESPN Friday Louisville at Cincinnati, 8:00 AM, ESPN2 #23 Nebraska at Colorado, 9:00 AM, ABC #24 Arkansas at #3 LSU, 11:30 AM, CBS Arizona at Arizona State, 12:00 PM, FSN #6 Texas at Texas A&M, 12:30 PM, ABC Saturday Toledo at #20 Bowling Green, 9:00 AM, ESPN #7 Georgia at Georgia Tech, 10:00 AM, ABC* Virginia Tech at Virginia, 10:00 AM, ABC* Iowa State at Missouri, 10:00 AM, ABC* #9 Florida State at #11 Florida, 12:30 PM, CBS Maryland at Wake Forest, 12:30 PM, ESPN Alabama at Hawaii, 4:45 PM, ESPN #10 Miami at #25 Pittsburgh, 5:00 PM, ABC* Notre Dame at Stanford, 5:00 PM, ABC* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teke184 0 Report post Posted November 25, 2003 That's another thing that annoys me... Why not have a big Bowl game in the Midwest...Somewhere like Chicago or St. Louis (with the Dome) and then you can stop having all the fucking games in Florida and Cali The same reason that no one wants to go to the Humanitarian Bowl in Idaho... No matter how you feel on the field, they're fucking FREEZING once they leave the stadium. Besides that, you have to worry about transit because airports and streets can get snowed in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted November 25, 2003 It could 100 fucking degrees in Idaho...No one will still go there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted November 25, 2003 Well they never joined in the Bowl Coalition or Bowl Alliance because of tradition. The BCS would never have been created and couldn't have existed if the Rose Bowl hadn't finally given in and allowed the Big Ten and Pac-10 to participate in a chance to play in a so-called national championship game. In fact ABC put pressure on the Big Ten to join the BCS along with former SEC commisioner Roy Kramer who was the one who came up with the idea of the BCS. Here is a qutoe from interview Kramer did in 1999: "We got to a point where we began to realize it was becoming more and more difficult to match up conference champions in various bowl games, because all the conferences were beginning to tie their teams into individual bowls. Which meant all of them were beginning to play the second team from somebody else's conference. We began to look at that, and look at it from a broader scope, so we could try to put together, as people have talked about, a single event where you could put the consensus No. 1 and 2 teams together and match the other teams up along the way. The difficulty in that was the Rose Bowl. The Rose Bowl would have no part in it. For 50 years they had had the tradition of having the champion of the Big Ten and the Pac-10 and had no desire to change. It took us two and a half years to get the Rose Bowl to change that. It took a lot of arm-twisting and a lot of the behind-the-scenes effort, simply because they did not want to do it. We finally got the Big Ten talked into it through the help of ABC television. We finally worked it out." Gee you think it would take two and a half years of convincing if it weren't for tradition? They were pissed off with the Orange Bowl last year when they stole Iowa away and prevented a traditional Pac-10/Big Ten match-up. Its no coincidence that last year was the first Rose Bowl to not sell out in nearly 60 years. It wasn't necessarily the fault of the Oklahoma fans as they sold out their 35,000 seats allotment and so did Washington State but the regular fan who goes the Rose Bowl every year wasn't buying tickets last year. Expect the same this year with Texas or the SEC champ. Here is quote from Rose Bowl CEO Mitch Dorger earlier this year on being in the BCS: "If there was a way to turn back the clock and make everything the way it was, we'd prefer the way it was before," Rose Bowl CEO Mitch Dorger said. "But everything is not the way it was." Trust me there will be an interesting subplot to the renewal of the BCS contract in a couple of years will be if the Rose Bowl decides to opt out of it. I think when the new contract comes up the Rose Bowl will demand that they always get a Pac-10/Big Ten match-up and not be a host to a BCS title game. It could probably be done if they add a 5th bowl to the BCS. I'd nominate the Cotton Bowl since it used to be a big game and has a lot tradition which is it what its all about. I want a Big 10/Pac 10 match up for the Rose Bowl every year reguardless. It's just the conferences knew they'd risking losing that tradition if they joined the BCS. Hopefully they opt out and it goes back the way it used to be. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted November 25, 2003 #10 Miami at #25 Pittsburgh, 5:00 PM, ABC* Notre Dame at Stanford, 5:00 PM, ABC* I swear if Notre Dame-Stanford is on here someone won't have a merry Christmas. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hogan Made Wrestling 0 Report post Posted November 25, 2003 So if USC and LSU happen to lose, who ends up in the Sugar? Michigan, Texas, or does USC manage to stay at #2? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted November 25, 2003 Who knows. Probably Ohio St. for some reason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted November 25, 2003 Michigan would have the quality wins right? Which would give Rose bowl a USC/OHIO ST game I guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted November 25, 2003 So if USC and LSU happen to lose, who ends up in the Sugar? Michigan, Texas, or does USC manage to stay at #2? No way does USC stay at #2 if they lose to Oregon State. I would probably say Michigan, because they're ranked better in the computers and left a more recent good impression on the poll voters. Plus they have that nice quality win bonus from beating Ohio State. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted November 25, 2003 If USC loses to Ore St. they should be in there period. Michigan/Oklahoma sells better for ABC anyways...That allows Rose Bowl to get it's PAC10/BIG12 Game...as I could see Ohio st getting that at large slot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Art Sandusky 0 Report post Posted November 25, 2003 I just want two teams above Tennessee to lose in the BCS so they get an automatic bid to one of the big four. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
C Dubya 04 0 Report post Posted November 25, 2003 For those who didn't know, the 1AA seedings for the playoffs came out. McNeese St. is the #1 seed, while my University of Delaware Fighting Blue Hens are the #2 seed. The higher seeded team has homefield until the finals which is in Chattanooga TN. Colgate, the only undefeated team is the 4 seed. And for those of you who doubt the merit of 1AA football, this year Delaware beat Navy, who beat Air Force, who beat UNLV, who beat Wisconsin, who beat Ohio State, so there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted November 25, 2003 Coverage maps for the week: http://espn.go.com/i/abcsports/maps/cfb_1129_1pm.pdf NY and LA get Georgia pounding Georgia Tech Chicago gets Iowa State/Missouri Miami gets Virginia Tech/Virginia http://espn.go.com/i/abcsports/maps/cfb_1129_8pm.pdf Everybody gets Miami/Pitt, except for the following areas: California Indiana/Kentucky New Orleans Alaska/Hawaii They will get Notre Dame/Stanford. Mr. Gagne and me will be watching the Telephone Game between ISU and Missouri and Miami/Pitt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted November 25, 2003 (edited) Bowl invites yesterday/today: -Clemson to the Peach Bowl -N.C. State to the Tangerine Bowl -Miami of Ohio to the GMAC Bowl -Wisconsin to the Music City Bowl Here's the updated projections now after today's invites. Bored's Bowl Projections OR Everyone elses Version 4.2 December 16 New Orleans: North Texas vs. Memphis/Houston December 18 GMAC: TCU vs. Miami (OH) December 22 Tangerine: N.C. State vs. Missouri/Kansas/Texas Tech December 23 Fort Worth: Houston/Louisville/South Florida vs. Kansas/Syracuse/Tulsa/Connecticut December 24 Las Vegas: New Mexico vs. Oregon State/Washington/California December 25 Hawaii: Louisville/Memphis vs. Hawaii December 26 Motor City: Bowling Green vs. Northwestern Insight: West Virginia/Virginia Tech/Pittsburgh/Miami vs. California/Oregon State December 27 Continental Tire: Virginia Tech/Boston College/Pittsburgh vs. Georgia Tech/Virginia December 29 Alamo: Michigan State/Minnesota vs. Nebraska/Oklahoma State/Kansas State December 30 Houston: Texas Tech/Colorado vs. Connecticut/Houston/Syracuse/Boston College/Navy/Northern Illinois Holiday: Washington State vs. Kansas State/Nebraska/Oklahoma State Silicon Valley: Fresno State vs. UCLA/Washington/California December 31 Music City: Auburn/Arkansas vs. Wisconsin Independence: Missouri/Kansas/Northern Illinois vs. Arkansas/Auburn Liberty: Southern Miss vs. Utah Sun: Oregon vs. Minnesota/Michigan State San Francisco: Colorado State vs. Boston College/Syracuse/West Virginia/Virginia Tech January 1 Outback: Iowa vs. Tennessee/Georgia/Florida Gator: West Virginia/Pittsburgh/Miami vs. Maryland Capital One: Purdue vs. Florida/Tennessee/Georgia/LSU Rose: Michigan vs. LSU/Texas/Georgia/USC Orange: Miami, Florida State, Ohio State, Pittsburgh January 2 Cotton: Oklahoma State/Kansas State vs. Mississippi/Georgia Peach: Clemson vs. Missisippi/Florida/Tennessee Fiesta: Texas, Florida State, Ohio State, LSU, Pittsburgh January 3 Humanitarian: Boise State vs. Georgia Tech/Virginia January 4 Sugar: Oklahoma vs. USC/LSU Edited November 27, 2003 by Bored Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted November 25, 2003 I read that the Sun Bowl will take whoever the Alamo doesn't between Michigan St. and Minnesota. Wisconsin would than end up in the Music City Bowl. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted November 26, 2003 Great. The #13 team goes plays in the Jobber bowl while I'm sure worse teams will get higher profile games. TCU/MOH will be good and it will be hyped as the NON BCS title game. Is it just me or is it kind of a bullshit thing to have the Hawaii bowl every year JUST to play Hawaii? I mean you won't get ANY team (unless it's a nearby California school)...but Memphis and Louisville last I checked...No where NEAR Cali or Hawaii. Is there a site that tells where these games are located? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted November 26, 2003 Bored, you can pencil Auburn in the Music City Bowl and Arkansas into the Independence Bowl.. just for one reason Arkansas played in the MC Bowl last year, and the Independence Bowl wants to put Arkansas in the game to face Missouri Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gert T 0 Report post Posted November 26, 2003 And for those of you who doubt the merit of 1AA football, this year Delaware beat Navy, who beat Air Force, who beat UNLV, who beat Wisconsin, who beat Ohio State, so there. Amazing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted November 26, 2003 Who do you guys like for the Heisman? My pick is Jason White. 40 TD's 6 int is too impressive to pass up. Fitzgerald, Leinhart, Perry, and Rivers round out Top 5. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted November 26, 2003 Perry made a impact game last weekend... I'm tired of QB's and RB'S winning the god damn heisman. When was the last time a fucking DE won one or something? Or even a cornerback (I'm thinkin woodson)... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted November 26, 2003 I keep hearing on the local radio that OU is unsportsman like. People are complaining around here(see: Oklahoma State fans) that OU beats there opponents to bad and it's unsportsman like with the way they embarass them. Umm........anyone else think this? I think it's a load of crock. It's not OU's fault they can play better than the other team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChris 0 Report post Posted November 26, 2003 That reminds me of that whole non-controversy that Mike Lupica decided to stir up. Look, it's not OU's fault that their team is so much better than everyone else that no one can give them a competitive game. All Stoops can do is send in the second- and third-stringers when the outcome is no longer in doubt. If they keep piling on the points, well, maybe you might want to look at the other team and wonder what's wrong with THEM. I mean, the guys who sit on the bench aren't going to try less hard when they get in, and no one should ever expect them to, especially when they're at home playing a rival, and especially because they're excited just to be playing. How does anyone expect the coach to tell these guys not to try to score or anything when they get into the game? Bench-warmers have pride too, you know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teke184 0 Report post Posted November 26, 2003 I'd say the only team who REALLY got it piled on by Oklahoma was Texas A&M, but that's because they absolutely suck. I'm guessing that Stoops told the benchwarmers to REALLY take it easy on Baylor the next week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted November 26, 2003 I thought they took it easy on Baylor to let them score more and make Baylor look better then Texas and TAM. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted November 27, 2003 Yes it was OU's sweet revenge for the loss they took from Texas A&M last year. The thing is that OU was good the last few years but wasn't AS good because of Nate Hybel. The guy sucked....and he's lucky every Sooner fan in the country didn't lynch him because I know that every Sooner fan(at least that I knew) hated the guy. Stoops tried to defend him but it just didn't work. And now with Jason White who is the best College QB in the country IMO they are piling on the points and winning. If Jason White doesn't win the Heisman I'll be shocked. I heard a sports analyst on the radio today say that this years Sooner team is better than ANY college team ever aside from maybe Nebraska in 95. Now let's discuss that can of worms. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DangerousDamon 0 Report post Posted November 27, 2003 no way 2001 miami was a much better team in my opinion and they played much better teams Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bored 0 Report post Posted November 27, 2003 Only bowl news today is Wisconsin accepted an invite to the Music City Bowl. I'll edit the everyone elses bowl projections in my post from yesterday to reflect it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Damaramu 0 Report post Posted November 27, 2003 Nobody else has anything to say on the OU being the best ever issue? Anyways does anyone know of a site where I can find classic college football game moments? Or a site where I can buy games? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted November 27, 2003 just watch ESPN classix dude...they air like 15 games a day Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
