The One and Only Angel Season 5 Thread

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C'mon, child actress, it's not like she actually appreciates shit

 

Not that it bothers me personally, I don't expect them to go above and beyond their roles on the show. It is, however, really nice to see.

[Mole 0]

Well, none of the other cast members did commentaries.  Not until the ones that aren't out yet.  And I don't think I've heard of Alyson going to conventions and the like.  (Maybe she has, but I don't recall.)  So, do you feel the same about her as Sarah?

 

I don't know.  I think it would be nice if Sarah and other cast members did commentaries, especially for the seventh season, but if they don't, I'm not going to begrudge them for that.  Some people just hate doing them.

Seth Green does a commentary for season 4.

 

James Marsters, Tom Lenk, Nicholas Brendon, Danny Strong, and D.B. Woodside all do commentary tracks for season 7.

 

For season 4 of Angel, Andy Hallet and Alexis Denisof do commentary tracks.

 

IF ANYTHING, SMG could do an interview for the DVD. EVERYONE did an interview for a DVD at some point, but SMG doesn't.

[Anakin Flair 0]

I hate calling myself a hypocrite, but I am. I said way back in this thread that SMG SHOULDN'T appear AT ALL this season, but changed my tune once I learned it was the last season. In th long run, it wouldn't matter if she showed up or not, because this show isn't about her. It's about Angel and his gang. I would love to see some other Buffy cast appear, but as for Buffy, wait for an Angel or Buffy movie.

 

As for commentary tracks, I think they should do what Stargate SG-1 has done on at least the last two season sets- have a commentary track, with production people, directors, cast, or a combination of the three, on EACH EPISODE. Along with a bonus featurette for each ep like SG1 season 6 had. THAT would make my day.

 

And is it me, or does the overall opinion of SMG change daily from "a nice person" to "a stuck-up bitch"?

[Anakin Flair 0]

an off topic, yet slightly humorus story from Buffy.nu:

Real-Life Vampire Slayers Get Busted by Cops

From Foxnews.com - 2004-03-31st

 

Real-Life Vampire Slayers Get Busted by Cops

 

Buffy, Willow and Faith have nothing on Toma Petre’s relatives.

 

The undead-dispatching heroines of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" never did anything like pull a body out of a grave, tear out its heart, burn the removed organ and then drink the ashes.

 

But that’s what the Romanian man’s family did when they suspected he had become a vampire after his death, reports Knight Ridder Newspapers.

 

Now the locals of Marotinu de Sus, just south of Transylvania (search), are upset that police are investigating Petre’s disinterment.

 

"What did we do?" asked Flora Marinescu, Petre’s sister. "If they’re right, he was already dead. If we’re right, we killed a vampire and saved three lives. ... Is that so wrong?"

 

"The investigation is ongoing, and we expect to file charges later," the regional police chief noted dryly, adding that disturbing the peace of the dead could result in a three-year stint in jail.

 

Villagers are quick to defend the Petre clan, pointing out that vampires, or strigoi, are real and mainly prey on their own family members.

 

"They’d be all right if you could set them after your enemies," explained one shepherd. "But they only kill loved ones. I can understand why, but they have to be stopped."

 

An elderly man was more practical.

 

"The heart of a vampire, while you burn it, will squeak like a mouse and try to escape," he said. "It’s best to take a wooden stake and pin it to the pan, so it won’t get away."

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Call me the RRR of the Angel thread as I post numerous times in a row to give you even more info than you would want to know! Next up, a review on the Buffy season 7 DVDs from the UK:

Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Season 7 DVD Review

From Dvdtimes.co.uk - By Michael MacKenzie - 2004-03-31st

 

Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Season Seven | 30-03-2004 12:00 Warning: This review will attempt to divulge as few spoilers for Season 7 as possible, but assumes that you have already seen up to the end of Season 6.

 

Buffy the Vampire Slayer is a show I discovered relatively late in its lifespan. I had seen a few episodes on TV here and there over the years, but it was not until the middle of Season 6 that I started watching it regularly. Within the space of a couple of months I had worked my way through the DVD sets of the first five seasons, thoroughly enjoying it overall. The show never had a massive audience, but it gained a small yet intensely loyal following over the years. Fans appreciated its clever use of metaphor and employment of storylines and plot twists that most TV shows would never touch in a million years. At the end of virtually every season it ran the risk of being cancelled, and so it perhaps didn’t come as too much of a surprise when it was announced that the seventh season would be the last. After dealing with many mature themes and showing excellent overall judgment (despite the generally derided and admittedly foolhardy decisions made during Season 6), expectations were unsurprisingly high for the show’s writers to deliver a knock-out final season. The results, however, were not quite what a lot of people expected.

 

The season starts off optimistically enough, with Buffy Summers (Sarah Michelle Gellar) training her sister Dawn (Michelle Trachtenberg) in the ways of the Slayer. Xander (Nicholas Brendon) is now a successful manager in his construction company, Anya (Emma Caulfield) is once again a vengeance demon, albeit not a very happy one, and Willow (Alyson Hannigan) is in England with Giles (Anthony Head), “studying how to not kill people”. But their (supposedly) most formidable foe yet soon rears its ugly head in the form of the First Evil, a non-corporeal force that has the ability to assume the identity of any dead creatures... which includes, among other characters, vampires, as well as Buffy, who as we all know was six feet under this time last year. The First’s servants are rampaging across the world, killing potential Slayers and their Watchers. Eventually Giles shows up at the Summers residence with a rag-tag bunch of possible Slayers in tow, and tasks Buffy with both training them and defeating the First.

 

That’s the theory, at least. In reality, the First turns out to be a rather pathetic villain: it can’t touch anyone, it can’t really do anything at all without the help of its servants. Early on in the season, when no-one knows what it is, it is set up as a powerful force, for example appearing to Willow and coming close to convincing her to commit suicide. As the season progresses, however, it becomes clear that it is little more than a gloating force, an irritant that hangs about and makes snide remarks while assuming various identities. The real danger, it would seem, comes from the Ubervampires that are ready to spill out of the Hellmouth, and when Buffy and co actually come face to face with this army, you end up wondering what all the fuss was about, considering that they seem to die even more easily than regular Vampires.

 

It would seem that neither Joss Whedon nor Marti Noxon were particularly active when it came to calling the shots (Whedon was off supervising his short-lived pet project Firefly, and Noxon wisely chose to downplay her involvement in the show after bearing the brunt of the blame for the Season 6 debacle), leaving the four co-executive producers (count ’em) to effectively run the show with no real consensus of direction between them. All too often the writers seem to force the story in an unnatural direction, rather than allowing it to go the way dictated by the characters. As a result, the narrative meanders, plot points established in one episode are abandoned in the next one (just look at the inconsistency of having the episode Him immediately after Selfless), and characters act with conflicting motives. Despite a promising start with some excellent episodes, throughout the rest of the season, the plot crashes and burns with the aforementioned inconsistencies, and the baffling sidelining of a number of the show’s mainstays in favour of bland or clichéd new additions. The character arc of Xander, for instance, is completely non-existent, with the writers seemingly having given up attempting to develop him in any way after they turned him into a selfish idiot towards the end of Season 6. The new Xander gets nothing to do except look smug and give pep-talks, which makes the introduction of Andrew into the Scooby Gang completely baffling, as he is essentially an exaggeration of Xander. Giles, too, behaves in a completely out of character way, turning into a stuffy, “by the book” Watcher - something which completely undermines all his character development from Seasons 1 to 5 and the first episodes of Season 6.

 

The worst of these new characters is Kennedy (Iyari Limon), a one-note personality who is paired up with Willow (supposedly despite Alyson Hannigan’s protests). Watching Hannigan act alongside Limon is a painful experience, as Limon’s abilities are decidedly limited and the pair have absolutely no chemistry. Worse still, the legacy of Tara (Amber Benson - a vastly superior actor) is unceremoniously tossed aside and forgotten, to the extent that the woman whose death last season caused Willow to go on a rampage to destroy the world is not even mentioned beyond the episode in which Willow and Kennedy fall in “love”. Perhaps I’m just being bitter, but if Whedon and co.’s intention was to make audiences forget the phenomenally bad idea of killing off Tara (which was itself merely a plot device and a pathetic attempt to inject some life into what had become a thoroughly tedious season), then they failed miserably. She was pretty much the only character in Season 6 who didn’t digress into a self-pitying, drooling cipher, and her presence is sorely missed her. The story goes that Amber Benson (wisely) refused to return as an evil incarnation of Tara, so Whedon’s response was to craft the “anti-Tara” - which presumably extends to character depth and acting ability. The result is that Kennedy is more an insult than anything else.

 

With bland new characters taking screen time away from the original gang, the show essentially becomes “The Adventures of Buffy and Spike”, as they are the only members of the core group to get anything resembling a real storyline. Unfortunately, the treatment of Spike’s character is something of a cop-out. As most people know by now, Season 6 ended with his soul being returned to him. The story of the soulless vampire who was able to overcome his base instincts was an original and well-handled one, and the decision to ensoul him seems to make a mockery of his previous character development. I feel that having him remain an unsouled vampire would have created a much more powerful message, but clearly the Powers That Be didn’t agree. Add to that the fact that souled Spike doesn’t seem any different from unsouled Spike in terms of personality and behaviour, and you have to wonder what the point of the whole thing was, except to drive home the rather dubious message of “evil can’t be changed”.

 

The much talked-about final episode ends up being something of an anticlimax when compared to those of previous seasons. While impressive on a technical level, the plot is vapid and quite unfulfilling, and it commits the cardinal sin of hitting the continued metaphor of female empowerment with all the subtlety of a blundering rhinoceros. The season (and the series) does manage to end on a reasonably high note; it’s just a shame that the final stages of the journey are so laboured and disappointing. It is a sad fact that, despite all the good intentions of the final episode, the majority of the episodes that preceded it are so average, not to mention out of character, that the sense of triumph is lessened.

 

So is there anything good in this Season? Yes, actually. The acting of the regulars is, for the most part, as good as ever, although Sarah Michelle Gellar continues the same somewhat distanced performance she gave in Season 6, and manages to be become quite annoying indeed by the end of the Season - although, to be fair, this is as much to do with the way her character is written as anything. The show’s supporting cast has always been excellent, to the extent that supposedly “lesser” characters often upstaged its heroine. In particular, Alyson Hannigan, James Marsters (evil vampire gone good Spike) and Anthony Head can always be relied on to deliver heartfelt and believable performances. As a character, Marsters’ Spike gets a great deal of screen time this season, and while opinion remains very divided on the decision to make him a regular, his story arc throughout the years is, in my opinion, one of the show’s most intriguing and well-handled (at least until Season 7 - and even so he still manages to be a thoroughly interesting character). It’s also a pleasure to see the wonderful Eliza Dushku reprising her role as the feisty rogue slayer Faith for the final few episodes, even if much of her previous character development ends up being shot to pieces. I would also argue that many of the season’s initial episodes show a lot of promise, suggesting a return to more light-hearted “monster of the week” antics after the morbidity of Season 6. It’s just a shame this doesn’t last long.

 

It seems to be almost universally agreed that, after Season 5, the show suffered a massive drop in quality. Season 6 at least had Once More with Feeling and something in the region of 10-12 reasonable episodes before moroseness truly set in. Season 7, in contrast, has perhaps 7 or 8 decent episodes and at least 16 clunkers. People may tear into Season 6 as the show’s darkest hour, but as far as I’m concerned it comes out the winner when stacked against what followed.

 

Nonetheless, Season 7 of Buffy remains somewhat better than almost every other TV show. This isn’t so much praise of Season 7 as in indictment of TV in general, but the fact remains that it was still able to hold my attention, albeit on a sporadic basis. There is part of me that wonders if it would have been better to have ended Buffy with Season 5, before the show sank into mediocrity, but when I think about it, I don’t think I would trade these two often dull but occasionally brilliant seasons for anything. I would urge fans to complete their collection and decide this season’s merits for themselves, but I am in no doubt that Buffy the Vampire Slayer took a nose-dive during the final two seasons - at about the same time that creator Joss Whedon seemingly lost interest in the show and turned his attention to other projects. Make of that what you will.

 

Picture

 

All 22 episodes are presented anamorphically in an aspect ratio of 1.78:1. This is supposedly not the show’s correct aspect ratio (it is meant to be viewed in 1.33:1), and at one point I even considered giving this aspect of the review a big fat zero, but it is in fact a little more complicated than that. Although creator Joss Whedon prefers the fullscreen versions (in fact I don’t think he has ever actually seen the widescreen versions), the show seems to have been shot in widescreen in order to make it HDTV-compatible. The result of this is that one day the show will be broadcast in this ratio, regardless of Whedon’s wishes, so it stands to reason that the show was shot to ensure that it would work in widescreen, although obviously no important information would be missing if viewed in a 4x3 ratio. The end result is that the widescreen ratio rarely causes any problems, and under most circumstances actually looks better, at least in my opinion. I realize that this is an area full of debate, however, so I think viewers will have to make up their own minds whether they want to buy a widescreen version or wait for the fullscreen US release, which should be out later this year.

 

Image quality is pretty much on par with that of Season 6: not perfect, but surprisingly good for a TV show. The level of detail is mostly fine, with a tad too much edge enhancement for my tastes, but pretty acceptable overall. (Some episodes look slightly worse: The Killer in Me and Lies My Parents Told Me, for example, have excessive edge enhancement.) The image is surprisingly grainy, resulting in a hard-edged, film-like look. Overall it doesn’t have the smoothness or level of detail that the R1 release of Angel Season 3 has, but on the other hand the American DVDs of Buffy and Angel are far more filtered and less film-like than their European and Australian counterparts. The colour palette this season is decidedly earthy, with a lot of browns and reds, which is maintained well with these transfers. Compression artefacts are a non-issue. Shadow detail is not always very good, but bearing in mind that this is a TV show, the results are often quite impressive.

 

Sound

 

The only sound mix provided is a Dolby Surround 2.0 track, preserving the audio format of the original TV broadcasts. It’s actually pretty good, with decent depth and bass. There is little in terms of rear channel effects, besides backing up the music, but watching the battle scenes in the final episodes results in a surprisingly enveloping experience.

 

The score this season is by Robert Duncan, replacing the unfortunately named Thomas Wanker, who composed the previous two seasons. The emphasis is definitely on the dramatic this time round, and especially in the final episode, it reaches decidedly epic heights.

 

Subtitles are provided in English and English for the hard of hearing but, for some reason, Nordic subtitles are missing this time round.

 

Menu

 

The menus are very nicely designed and quite easy to navigate, conforming more to the look of the Season 5 menus than those of Season 6. The use of Robert Duncan’s bombastic score from the final episode on every single menu screen does get a bit repetitive, however.

 

Packaging

 

Season 7 uses the same kind of packaging used for the UK box sets from Season 2 onward: an elegant, book-style affair inside a cardboard slip cover.

 

Extras

 

The Buffy DVD sets have tended to be quite variable in the area of extras, but by Season 6 there was a decidedly marked improvement over the earliest offerings. Season 7 doesn’t have quite the level of quality or quantity reached with the previous set, but nonetheless it has some interesting material to offer.

 

First up are audio commentaries on seven episodes, featuring a range of speakers, including writers, director and actors. This is the first time any of the cast has featured in the commentaries for Buffy DVDs, and I approached this with some trepidation, since in my experience actors tend to be some of the most vacuous and uninteresting commentators out there.

 

Lessons - Creator/writer/executive producer Joss Whedon and director/co-executive producer David Solomon team up for a rather laid-back affair. Some interesting titbits are imparted, but overall neither speaker sounds particularly interested in what they’re talking about. This is definitely the worst of the commentaries that the usually informative Whedon has contributed to.

 

Selfless - This commentary features writer Drew Goddard and director/co-executive producer David Solomon. This episode seems to be a fan favourite but I must confess I find it somewhat overrated (its highlight, for me, is Emma Caulfield speaking fluent Swedish for the opening five minutes), although the two speakers do manage to highlight a lot of these reasons for it being so popular. Goddard in particular brings an interesting slant to the proceedings, since it was the first episode he ever wrote, of any show. One especially interesting thing is that he finally confirms that the character Halfrek is indeed the same as Cecily, the 18th century woman with whom Spike was obsessed in the flashbacks in Season 5’s Fool For Love - a subject that has been intensely debated by many fans.

 

Conversations with Dead People - My personal favourite episode of the season, the participants here are director Nick Marck, writer/co-executive producer Jane Espenson, writer Drew Goddard and actors Danny Strong (Jonathan) and Tom Lenk (Andrew). This is a lively track, with all the speakers chipping in with lots of anecdotes. Some interesting trivia revealed includes the fact that there were actually four writers: Jane Espenson wrote the Dawn scenes, Drew Goddard handled Jonathan and Andrew, Joss Whedon wrote Buffy and Marti Noxon wrote Willow. They also discuss Amber Benson’s non-presence in the episode (she was supposed to have the role that eventually went to Azura Skye), although predictably they gloss over the actual reason for this.

 

The Killer in Me - Writer/story editor Drew Z. Greenberg and director/co-executive producer David Solomon provide a relatively informative but nonetheless average commentary on what I consider one of the worst episodes of the season and the show as a whole for a number of reasons.

 

Lies my Parents Told Me - Featuring writer/co-executive producer/director David Fury, writer Drew Goddard and actors James Marsters (Spike) and DB Woodside (Principal Wood), I expected this to be one of the more entertaining commentaries, given the participants involved. Sadly, it let me down badly. This is definitely the most boring commentary on the disc, with all the speakers seeming quite lethargic and/or nervous. Even the normally verbose Marsters says very little.

 

Dirty Girls - Without a doubt the funniest commentary in the set, writer Drew Goddard and actor Nicholas Brendon (Xander) provide an often self-mocking overview of both the episode and the show, often throwing in some very interesting information (Goddard, for example, points out that at one point a spin-off featuring Spike and Faith was planned - too bad it didn’t work out). Occasionally the two speakers run out of things to say, but overall this remains my favourite commentary of Season 7, since it has an energy that the other tracks fail to match.

 

Chosen - Whedon returns for the final commentary on the final episode, sounding a little disinterested but with a reasonable amount of things to say. He makes half-hearted attempts to address some of the criticism levelled against the finale (such as why the likes of Anya and Dawn are able to easily kill several Ubervamps when, earlier in the season, Buffy spent the course of two episodes trying to kill just one), but generally brushes it under the carpet with a statement that the message of the show is more important than consistency (too bad the message was botched, then).

 

Next up is a collection of featurettes:

 

Buffy: It’s Always Been About the Fans - Various fans discuss what they liked about the show and the extent to which they supported it, including web rings and conventions with members of the cast and crew as guests.

 

Buffy: Full Circle - This is the usual overview of the entire season, featuring extensive discussions by several key members of the cast and crew of the major story arcs for the season. Reasonably interesting, but a lot of this material is somewhat redundant assuming you’ve already watched the episodes.

 

Buffy 101: Studying the Slayer - This featurette takes a more academic look at the show, with a number of professors and lecturers discussing some of the deeper themes and asserting its legitimacy as a text to be studied in a serious way. I found this to be a very interesting feature, and wish it had gone into more detail.

 

Generation S - Members of the crew discuss the oft-disparaged Potentials, discussing their supposed importance in the show, interspersed with comments from a number of the actors on what it was like to appear in the show. It’s a shame this featurette essentially ignores the overwhelming level of criticism levelled against these characters.

 

The Last Sundown - Here, Joss Whedon gives various anecdotes about what the show meant to him and runs through his top 10 favourite episodes of all time (incidentally, all but one are episodes he personally wrote and directed).

 

Outtakes Reel - A behind the scenes look at cast members flubbing their lines and goofing around. Not particularly informative or funny, but still worth a watch.

 

Buffy Wraps - This featurette focuses on the wrap party that took place after the final episode was completed, and includes anecdotes from a number of the cast (Sarah Michelle Gellar is, as usual, nowhere to be seen), as well as an extremely drunk (or stoned?) Joss Whedon. Quite amusing and, in many ways, more than a little poignant.

 

Trailers for Buffy Seasons 2-6 and Angel Seasons 1-3, as well as the Chaos Bleeds video game, the Slayer Collection DVD compilations, and the original Buffy movie are also included.

 

English subtitles are included for all the featurettes, but not for the commentaries.

 

Conclusion

 

The way the show concludes is definitely a disappointment, in my opinion, but I’m sure fans will want to complete their collections. The set is a very well-produced affair, both in terms of disc content and packaging. That said, the pricing of the set (RRP £79.99, although it can be purchased for around £55 at many online stores) is still incredibly steep, and is not justified by Fox’s claims of the packaging being expensive to produce.

A bit harsh, but nothing that hasn't been said. Was I the ONLY one to like season 7? Or Kennedy, for that matter?

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Villagers are quick to defend the Petre clan, pointing out that vampires, or strigoi, are real and mainly prey on their own family members.

 

"They’d be all right if you could set them after your enemies," explained one shepherd. "But they only kill loved ones. I can understand why, but they have to be stopped."

That shepherd is badass.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Call me the RRR of the Angel thread as I post numerous times in a row to give you even more info than you would want to know!

 

HEY!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I am recognized. SCORE!

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

The worst of these new characters is Kennedy (Iyari Limon), a one-note personality who is paired up with Willow (supposedly despite Alyson Hannigan’s protests).

 

Oh COME ON! Rona, by far, was the worst. Why she lived is beyond me.

[Anakin Flair 0]

I think Joss let her live, albeit heavily injured (and being slapped around by Vi. Go Vi!) as a shot to the fans who complained about her the whole time she was there.

[Mole 0]

I'd comment on the season 7 review, but I'm too damn sick to read the whole thing.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

The Anti-Andrew sentiment sucks, which is probably the only thing I really disagree with in that article (besides the Rona thing). Storyteller was fucking awesome as was the final Dungeons and Dragons game.

[Mole 0]

I wasn't a big Andrew fan, so I understand that one.

 

It would seem that neither Joss Whedon nor Marti Noxon were particularly active when it came to calling the shots (Whedon was off supervising his short-lived pet project Firefly, and Noxon wisely chose to downplay her involvement in the show after bearing the brunt of the blame for the Season 6 debacle), leaving the four co-executive producers (count ’em) to effectively run the show with no real consensus of direction between them

I disagree with that because season 6 was awesome in my opinion.

 

The four executive producers? If memory serves me correct, there was Joss, Marti, David Fury, Douglas Petrie and David Solomon.

 

That would be five, not four.

[Mole 0]

Top 50 Moments of BTVS history, from a Buffy magazine.

 

50. Un-Anointed One ("School Hard" 2x03)

— - Spike dusts the "Annoying One"

 

49. Death Star Van ("Life Serial" 6x05)

 

48. Doublemeat Palace ("Doublemeat Palace" 6x12)

— - Buffy’s uniform

 

47. Dark Willow Defeated ("Grave" 6x22)

 

46. Riley the Husband ("As You Were" 6x15)

 

45. Inhuman Pincushion ("Pangs" 4x08)

— - helpless Spike getting shot by arrows and nobody cares.

 

44. Musical Lust ("Once More with Feeling" 6x07) Tara’s "Under Your Spell"

 

43. Resurrection ("Bargaining" 6x02)

— - Buffy waking in her own grave

 

42. Willow-Willow Hug ("Dopplegangland" 3x16)

 

41. Joyce and Giles Get It On ("Band Candy" 3x06)

 

40. Who Are You People? ("Tabula Rasa" 6x08)

— - "Randy Giles? Why not just call me `Desperate for a Shag Giles’?..."

 

39. Adam is Vanquished ("Primeval" 4x21)

 

38. Kitten Poker ("Life Serial" 6x05")

 

37. Faith’s First ("Bad Girls" 3x14)

— - Faith kills the Deputy Mayor

 

36. Sex Marathon ("Where the Wild Things Are" 4x18)

— - Buffy/Riley

 

35. Xander Saves the Day ("The Zeppo" 3x13)

 

34. Eating Willow ("Same Time, Same Place" 7x03)

 

33. Bunny Costume ("Fear Itself" 4x04)

 

32. Willow’s First Time ("Graduation Day, Part One" 3x21)

 

31. Monster in the Basement ("Killed by Death" 2x18)

 

30. Ben Becomes Glory ("Blood Ties" 5x13)

 

29. Jenny Calendar Dies ("Passion" 2x17)

 

28. Angel’s Return ("Faith, Hope and Trick" 3x03)

 

27. Spike Saves the Day ("Chosen" 7x22)

 

26. Adam Shishkebabs Walsh ("The I in Team" 4x13)

 

25. Anya is Killed ("Chosen" 7x22)

 

24. Dark Willow’s Rampage ("Two to Go" 6x21)

 

23. The Mayor, Invincible ("Graduation Day, Part One" 3x21)

 

22. Return of... Mom? ("Conversations with Dead People" 7x07)

 

21. Monkey Pants ("What’s My Line? Part One" 2x09)

— - Oz and Willow and the box of animal crackers

 

20. Tara Dies ("Seeing Red", 6x19)

 

19. Giles Kills Ben ("The Gift" 5x22)

 

18. Buffy and Spike Get It On ("Smashed" 6x09)

 

17. Let It Snow ("Amends" 3x10)

 

16. Jonathan, Superstar ("Superstar" 4x17)

 

15. "Mom!" ("Buffy vs. Dracula" 5x01)

— - introduction of Dawn

 

14. Buffy vs. Gachnar ("Fear Itself" 4x04)

 

13. Awakening ("Chosen" 7x22)

— - Slayers are called around the world

 

12. Heaven ("Once More with Feeling" 6x07)

— - gang find out where Buffy was before they brought her back

 

11. Angel Goes Bad ("Innocence" 2x14)

 

10. The Master Kills Buffy ("Prophecy Girl" 1x12)

 

9. Lovers at Last ("Surprise" 2x13)

— - Buffy/Angel

 

8. Buffy’s Mom Dies ("I Was Made to Love You"/"The Body" 5x15/16)

 

7. The End of Sunnydale ("Chosen" 7x22)

 

6. Willow Skins Warren ("Villains" 6x20)

 

5. The Gentlemen ("Hush" 4x10)

 

4. Buffy vs. Faith ("Graduation Day, Part One" 3x21)

 

3. Sunnydale High vs. the Mayor ("Graduation Day, Part Two" 3x22)

 

2. Buffy Kills Angel ("Becoming, Part Two" 2x22)

 

1. Buffy’s Ultimate Sacrifice ("The Gift" 5x22)

[Mole 0]

I have a few problems with that list, but I'll get to that tomorrow.

 

I am watching "Graduation Pt 1" right now, since I am still sick and the beers just weren't flowing tonight.

 

The Mayor reads from one of the books, when he comes into the library: ""The beast will walk upon the earth and darkness will follow. The several races of man will be as one in their terror and destruction."

 

Doesn't this remind anyone of Shanshu?

""And if the beast shalt find thee, and touch thee, thou shalt be wounded in they soul - and thou shalt know madness. - The beast shalt attack and cripple thee and thou shalt know neither friend nor family. - But thou shalt undo the beast. Thou shalt find the sacred words of Anatole and thou shalt be restored. - Three times shalt thou say these words: unbind - unbind - unbind." "

 

It isn't the same words, but it has its comparisons.

 

And Naitch, you call yourself RRR of the Angel thread? Bah, with my 589, I own you here.

 

If I still don't feel 100% tomorrow, I think I'll spend my Saturday night digesting Buffy/Angel and making my own "Buffy/Angel mythology."

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The Mayor reads from one of the books, when he comes into the library: ""The beast will walk upon the earth and darkness will follow. The several races of man will be as one in their terror and destruction."

Always wondered about that too....it could also be in reference to Glory who was also called The Beast, so until we get Joss, tie him to a chair and make him answer all our questions we may never know, heh.

[Hank Kingsley 0]

The Mayor reads from one of the books, when he comes into the library: ""The beast will walk upon the earth and darkness will follow.  The several races of man will be as one in their terror and destruction."

Always wondered about that too....it could also be in reference to Glory who was also called The Beast, so until we get Joss, tie him to a chair and make him answer all our questions we may never know, heh.

Uhh, wasn't he just talking about the Ascension? The darkness was the eclipse that allowed the vampires to fight, the beast was the Mayor in demon form.

[Mole 0]

Yeah, he was. But, the same-exact-thing happened when THE BEAST rose.

[Hank Kingsley 0]

So "Spin the Bottle" was on Fox syndication last night...god, Joss is such a genius. That episode was ten times better than "Tabula Rasa". Of course, this means that next week is Apocalypse Nowish~

[Mole 0]

So "Spin the Bottle" was on Fox syndication last night...god, Joss is such a genius. That episode was ten times better than "Tabula Rasa". Of course, this means that next week is Apocalypse Nowish~

Yes, "Spin the Bottle" is a lot better than "Tabula Rasa." "Tabula Rasa" used to be one of my favorite Buffy episodes, but after more viewings I don't like it anywhere as much.

 

However, "Spin the Bottle" hasn't gotten old yet and I have seen it a dozen times.

[Guest 11and0baby]

5. The Gentlemen ("Hush" 4x10)

 

That is a great episode BUT I can't watch it cause those F*ckers give me to quote Buffyverse "The Wiggins".

 

And only Joss can pull off a Silent Episode.

[Mole 0]

I've seen "Hush" soooooooooo many times, I can't watch it anymore.

[Mole 0]

Download Buffy Season 7 episodes

 

Download Angel Season 4 episodes

[Hank Kingsley 0]

Thank heavenly bittorrent for providing crystal clear DVD rips from Angel season 4. In 12 hours, Apocalypse Nowish, Habeas Corpses, and Long Day's Journey will be mine~

[Mole 0]

I didn't even check them out, but they are crystal clear?

 

"Apocalypse Nowish" will also be mine!!!

 

EDIT: I'm lost Superstar because they don't have "AN."

[Hank Kingsley 0]

This is where I'm getting them from.

 

They aren't done, but they'd *better* be clear, considering they're 300+ MB/episode.

[Mole 0]

Wow Superstar, this website is gang star.

[Anakin Flair 0]

Why is it that directors allow annoying and fan-hated characters to live? I speak specificaly Rona, to some degree Andrew, and that dumb kid in the Matrix Revolutions.

[Ravenbomb 0]

hey, is the Pysch Vamp from Conversations related to the guy who played Russel in the first ep of Angel? They look so much alike...

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

Why is it that directors allow annoying and fan-hated characters to live? I speak specificaly Rona, to some degree Andrew, and that dumb kid in the Matrix Revolutions.

People who don't like Andrew are stupid.

 

And Rona logged around 5 total lines of dialogue...ever...

[Mole 0]

Why is it that directors allow annoying and fan-hated characters to live? I speak specificaly Rona, to some degree Andrew, and that dumb kid in the Matrix Revolutions.

People who don't like Andrew are stupid.

 

And Rona logged around 5 total lines of dialogue...ever...

Andrew was annoying half of the time, but funny the other half.

 

Why they kept Rona? To get the black audience, duh.