The One and Only Angel Season 5 Thread

[Mole 0]

Right...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anya is dead!

[Anya 0]

You can't bother me with that, I'm too busy thinking about the good times in season 4.

 

 

 

 

"It'll make you blind and insane, but it won't kill you. The smallpox will."

[Mole 0]

But season 4 was just so blah. Plus there was a BIG BIG BIG PLOTHOLE.

 

Where were they before season 4? The Initiative builds this HUGE underground base in just a few months? If they were there before, how come they never got in Buffy's way? When did Sunnydale have a university? And why is the Bronze a college hangout and not a high school hangout anymore?

 

Plus Adam wasn't around enough, Riley was a herb, Buffy looses 50lbs, these caves show up out of the blue when they weren't there before and many more.

 

And the thing that really gets me is Anya. In "The Wish" and "Doppelgängland" Anya seems like a regular girl. Then once season 4 starts, she is dumb all of a sudden. Huh? How does that work out? Did she jump in time and see that Jessica Simpson got famous for being dumb, so she decided to do the same thing?

 

Then we have the bad episodes: "Living Conditions," "Beer Bad," "Pangs" (yes I didn't like that episode), "Goodbye Iowa," "Where the Wild Things Are," and "Superstar."

[chaosrage 0]

But....syphilis!

[Mole 0]

I am going through the Buffy thread and this is some funny shit. I sound like a herb with my comments about "The Gift" being bad.

[Anya 0]

It's true about the caves and college just appearing out of no where, but the Intiative could have been built during the summer. Why would Buffy have noticed it? She hadn't yet moved in to the dorm.

 

 

Riley is really cool, but yeah Adam isn't in it enough. Plus when he does appear it's usually just him chilling out in his lair.

 

 

 

You're right about Anya. That is something I've always thought was funny and weird. The reason is because they never intended for her to be a regular. In The Wish Emma played her as just a straight up evil monster of the week. It's funny seeing her shove Giles against the wall and yell at him in this creepy monsterous voice. It's also amusing how she could act her way into Cordy's circle of friends and pass as a high school girl just fine yet years later is so anti-social she can't even be trusted to talk to the health inspectors at the Magic Box.

 

She is kind of like her normal self in Dopplegang land though, with the "idiot child!" comment to Willow and the whole "I.D..." joke at the Bronze. She really becomes herself in The Prom.

 

Another plot hole is her amulet thing. Giles smashes it in The Wish and she tries to bring it back in Dopplegang land but after that it's just dropped. When she becomes a demon again she doesn't have it.

 

Anya isn't dumb! I take offense to that. There's a difference between not understanding how the world works, having poor social skills and being stupid. We've seen that with a subject she knows about, like magic, demonolgy, or investing on the internet, she can be very intelligent and knowledgable.

 

 

That said the entire mythos of her character is silly and always has been. The idea that she doesn't understand mortality or social skills is ridiculous. How did she pass as a human to trick people? How can she spend so much time with people and never pick up on anything? Even Halfrek and D'Hoffryn speak fine. And she USED to be a human! She spends years with Xander and the others and still has bad social skills. I like how Willow calls her out on that in Triangle.

[Mole 0]

Why would Buffy have noticed it? She hadn't yet moved in to the dorm.

Umm, because Buffy patrols at night and so does the I-Team. Sunnydale isn't a big town, so they would have bumped into each other somewhere.

 

Anya isn't dumb! I take offense to that. There's a difference between not understanding how the world works, having poor social skills and being stupid. We've seen that with a subject she knows about, like magic, demonolgy, or investing on the internet, she can be very intelligent and knowledgable.

She is dumb.

 

EDIT: I am going through the old Buffy thread, where were you Anya?

[Anya 0]

They didn't start up till season 4 and then they did bump into each other really early on(Fear, Itself).

 

 

 

She is not dumb!

 

 

 

 

Sadly, not around. What a shame, eh? Just imagine it. I could have got excited about the engagment in the Gift and ranted about Hells Bells for months.

[Mole 0]

These posts are a few reasons why the Buffy thread is a classic.

 

If she dies, I will mark out. I am telling everyone, Dawn is the one who will die at the end of the series. I am calling it right now.

 

Since UPN is so obsessed with hyping Platinum(a MEGA series event~!) maybe they should just go ahead and do a Buffy/Platinum crossover.

 

I can see it now. OMWF II. The gang from Platinum takes a vacation to Sunnydale. What they get is a nightmare, as the whole town bursts into hardcore gangsta rap~! Including a very special rap by Andrew and Giles and The First Evil morphing into 2Pac and Biggie.

 

Gee, these people are too touchy. I went in a Buffy chatroom as "Xander_The_Pirate" and I had a bunch of people gripe at me.

 

COME ON! Angel - black wig, losing a soul if having sex... Spike got all freaked out at being compared to Angel - Faith being in a coma was mentioned above... COME ON!

 

My genius... My genius... is so...misunderstood... I am sufficating here...SUFFIKATING! My puns...my puns... are so...misunderstood...

 

MORE TO COME LATTTER.

[Anya 0]

Xander_The_Pirate?

[Mole 0]

I really think that Spike will be made human and live happily ever after with Buffy to end the show.

 

No way...no happy ending. I say Spike sacrifices himself to save Buffy, and then Angel overhears Buffy tell Spike she loves him.

 

Early signs of Anya being Anya, but we still love her.

 

I missed the first 3 episodes but so far I think this season has been the weakest. The writing team seems to be suffering from a lot of the problems the WWE has. It's like stuff is written out of order. One week they're hyping up the seal, the next week it's completely ignored. Then 5 weeks later the seal is back and must be stopped. One week Spike is evil. Then it dies down. Then suddenly Giles is acting like they have to do something about it RIGHT NOW BAH GAWD~! Whatever happened to "Buffy won't choose you?" and all that other stuff with Joyce? Sure, there's still 4 more eps, but that stuff has been dropped so even if it is answered, it's going to be like it just came back up out of no where. Same with Jax's Eye. What exactly is The First trying to do? Are we EVER going to find out?

 

The whole season feels like it's taken place in the Summers home with tons and tons of nameless SITs. Maybe it's just me, but it feels like the season has been one big hype job for the final battle. It's like...we get it. SITs are going to die. Armageddon is coming. Blah blah blah. When is the First going to actually DO something instead of just rambling? It feels like they're stalling or they don't actually know what to do, so they just continue to hype it up. You got a sense of dread with like Mayor Wilkins and Glory. Not only did they talk about how powerful they are, they actually went out and did evil stuff too. The First is just nothing but hype.

 

It's like it was written by totally different sets of writers who don't read each other's work.

 

 

Maybe the last 4 eps will be amazing and save the season.

 

Wow, my opinions have changed BIG time.

 

I am not including 7 yet because we need to see all the episodes to rank it, but for me it goes:

 

3

2

6

1

5

4

 

Couldn't have been anymore wrong...

 

Major spoiler for Buffy's series finale, fans of the show Angel are NOT going to like this:

Apparantly it looks like Spike is the "Vampire with a soul that will save the world and become human again" that was refrenced in "To Shansu In LA" back in S1.

[Anya 0]

"Maybe the last 4 eps will be amazing and save the season."

 

 

[Mole 0]

Oh Anya...:

 

That's pretty unfair. Adam wasn't in the finale because Joss wanted to do something new and something to set up season 5 for that season's finale. They still had a huge epic final battle in "Primeval" which could have easily been the finale.

 

Fun Fact: Adam sort of IS in the finale. Remember he's with Riley in the war room scene.

 

 

That said I agree Adam is probably the worst of the big bads. But this is like picking the "worst" out of 6 villains I really like. I still think Adam was pretty cool.

 

I would rank them...

 

1. Angelus

2. Mayor Wilkins

3. The Master

4. Warren

5. Glory

6. Adam

 

Someone else's opinions have changed, haven't they.........?

[Anya 0]

That's funny. I didn't start to like the new stuff more than the old until they came out on DVD.

 

I am watching season 2 on dvd now, I bet my mind will change about Angelus again when I see it again soon.

[Mole 0]

I don't care what anyone says...

 

I marked out when Dawn told Rona to shut the fuck up.

 

Dames

 

What I think is absolutely fabulous about this episode is that since it's VERY open to discussion and interpretation, it'll be discussed long after the season is through. I bet it'll be resurrected once the DVD's are all out.

 

Dames

 

I don't believe we ever got into a discussion like we did then.

 

I was mad at Anya but not as much as with the SITs.

 

Woah, you were mad at who Anya?

 

Hey, we're over 2000 replies, AND I GOT #2000!!! w00t~!

 

Two things:

1) This thread got 2000 WAAAAAAY before the Buffy thread.

2) I have no way of proving this, but my friend Joe was the first one to say w00t.

 

Dude, you said you only started watching Angel when faith arrived.

 

Angel had more good-great eps. imo, but Buffys overall season was better done

 

RRR changed his opinion on that one too, I believe.

 

Thread isn't the same without Mole

[Anya 0]

I am still angry at Anya for that. I hate how she suggests Buffy is just lucky and all that. It's horrible. I hate how Xander and Willow turn on her too.

 

Even though I love her and Xander I still get mad at them sometimes. Like I hate how he lies to Buffy in Becoming part 2.

[chaosrage 0]

I am still angry at Anya for that. I hate how she suggests Buffy is just lucky and all that. It's horrible. I hate how Xander and Willow turn on her too.

Damn them for not wanting to go along with Buffy's "let's go in there and beat that guy up" plan.

[Mole 0]

Like I hate how he lies to Buffy in Becoming part 2.

That is one of the reasons why I like Xander.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

I really think that Spike will be made human and live happily ever after with Buffy to end the show.

I do believe I was being sarcastic when I said that.

[Anya 0]

Damn them for not wanting to go along with Buffy's "let's go in there and beat that guy up" plan.

She was right....

[Guest Brian]

Episode 5, by RavishingRickRudo

 

*Scene 1*

 

Connor (Narration over clips from the show and Angel): "The year is 2004 and L.A. is no more. The city was quickly taken over and ravaged - there was little we could do to stop it. We don’t know why there hasn’t been help from the outside, all we know is that we’re alone in this fight. What caused all this? My father, Angel - a vampire with a soul. He was tired being fates puppet and decided to hold his destiny in his own hands. The result incurred the full wrath of Wolfram and Hart and now what's left of L.A. is left to powerful demons and helpless humans. Well, I'm not helpless. I lived in the most evil of hell dimensions -and though my memories are clouded- I know that I am powerful, and its time to take the city back..."

 

*flashes to present day*

 

*Eliana is running through a back-alley being chased by 2 vamps*

 

*She trips and turns to see them surrounding her*

 

Eliana: No... Please...I’m just a scared, helpless, girl...

 

Vampire #1: (laughing) We can see that, sugar.

 

Vampire #2: Now... let’s see if you’re sweet.

 

*Both Vamps close in for the kill*

 

*Connor drops down from above and cuts the heads of both vamps with one swing of his sword*

 

Connor (to Eliana): Didn’t want to give em a toothache... You ok?

 

Eliana: Yeah (holding her knee). Being bait isn’t what it’s cracked up to be.

 

*Connor extends his hand and helps her up*

 

Connor: Hey, you’ve been doing really well the past few days in your training. When the time comes, you’ll be the hunter... or the Fisherman... (thinks for a sec) “Bait” isn’t that great of a metaphor either.

 

Eliana: No, I think we need to get a new term.

 

Connor: Lure? Jig? Hook?

 

Eliana: Oooh “Hook”, we could do something with Pirates!

 

Connor: You like Pirates?

 

Eliana: Oh yeah, there’s something about a pegleg that just makes a girl flush...

 

Connor: You just like guys who say “Arr”

 

Eliana: What can I say, I’m an old fashion gal who longs to be on the high seas plunderin booty... (thinks for a sec) That didn’t come out the way it sounded in my head.

 

Connor: Let’s stick with “bait“, for now. I’m sorta uncomfortable and have this strange desire for an eye patch.

 

Eliana: I actually knew a guy with an eye patch.

 

Connor: Interesting, what was his name?

 

*Just when she is about to say the name, a scream is heard from inside the building next to them*

 

*They rush over to find a Reptilian demon about to attack a family of 4*

 

*Connor takes his sword and throws it at the demon, striking it in its neck and killing it*

 

Connor: Are you guys ok?

 

Father (trying to collect himself): Yes. Thank you.

 

Mother (flustered): Quick, we’re late. We have to get there soon!

 

*They turn and run out of the building*

 

Connor (Yelling to them as they exit): Where are you going?

 

*The family is gone, and Connor and Eliana are left alone*

 

Eliana: Do you ever wonder where the people go after being saved?

 

Connor (getting his sword out of the demons neck): Well, they were in a rush and they weren’t the first family I’ve seen around here heading somewhere in particular. So yeah, now I’m definitely wonderin. Where _are_ they going?

 

*Flashes to the Family in a warehouse as they enter an office*

 

Mother (to Father, whispering): We‘re here on time, right? Are we here on time?

 

Father (calmly): Yes, yes. The card said to be here at 9 pm with $1000 for each of us. Don’t worry. We’ll be ok now. Once they get us out of the area, we’ll be safe. It’ll be like it once was. That’s what they do here. They get us free.

 

*Another door in the office opens and we see the feet of two men entering. One of the men sits down at a desk while the other asks them for their money *

 

(Over-the-shoulder shot from the perspective of the guy in the chair)

 

Man #2: They’ve got it all. They’re good to go.

 

*The man sitting downs hand makes an “ok” sign and points toward the door they entered from with his thumb*

 

Mother: Oh thank god.

 

Father: See? We’re finally going to wake up from this nightmare.

 

*As they enter the room they see butchered bodies and blood-spattered walls along with half-a-dozen demons smiling at them*

 

*The family screams as they are pushed in and the door closes*

 

*Man #2 vamps*

 

Man #2: Here’s your 4 grand along with another 4 that we‘re paying you. That brings you to around a hundred thousand already. You’re making quite a bit of money, selling-out your own kind. I like that.

 

*The vamp goes back into the room, now silent*

 

*The hand picks up a card that says “Free from Chaos” and various information listed

 

*Elsewhere, Kent (alone - same perspective) picks up a card that says the same thing. He looks at it and wonders*

 

Kent: Hmm...

 

*opening credits*

 

*Scene 2*

 

*Back at home, Connor and Eliana are sharpening weapons and talking about what they did in their “old lives”.*

 

Eliana: ...And there was milk and cookies all over the place! (both laugh)

 

Connor: Oh man, your parents must have been pretty mad!

 

Eliana: Oh they went crazy! (laughs) We were grounded for a month, I swear. (laughs a little less) (silent pause)... I’ll never see them again.. will I? They’re gone. Forever. (A tear falls)

 

Connor: You will. You will. You can’t give up hope. Never. Death is just another beginning.

 

Eliana: You really think there’s a higher power looking out over us? You really think there’s a heaven? An afterlife? In a world like this???

 

Connor: I know there’s hope. I know things get bad, really bad. But they’ll get good again. I know there are things beyond this, I just don’t know what. I know that death isn’t the end. You will see them again. And until then, live with them in your memories. They will never take that away from you... (Connor thinks to himself)

 

*Kent enters*

 

Kent: You both look like the world is ending... well... moreso than it already is...

 

Eliana: What do you know about death, Kent?

 

Kent: I know that I don’t want to die, young lady. And that’s enough for me to keep-on living.

 

Connor: What did you do before all this?

 

Kent: Me? Oh, nothing in particular.

 

Connor: Any family?

 

Kent: I have a few. But that’s not why I’m here. Well, it is. Just not mine. I found _this_ on a family of 6.

 

*hands Connor a card*

 

Connor: What is this?

 

Kent: You ever wondered where people go after you save them?

 

*Connor looks at Eliana*

 

Kent: Hows about we make a trip?

 

Eliana: You mean we can get out of here?

 

Kent: Well, not us. We belong here. But you? Let’s hope so...

 

Connor: If this is true, then maybe we should stop off for some supplies. It might be a long trip...

 

*Scene 3*

 

*All 3 enter a General Store-esque shop. It is the only building still in-tact and is surrounded by the remains of its neighbours.*

 

Kent (with wonderment): I can’t believe that this place is still standing. And in perfect condition at that. This is absolutely amazing. When did you find out about this?

 

Connor: A few weeks ago. I chased down a Madi Demon and ended up in front of here. I figured another powerful demon must be running it since it was untouched, but it ended up being this sweet old man.

 

*RON GLASS comes through from the back of the shop*

 

Glass: I take issue with that, young man.

 

Connor: I’m sorry... I didn’t mean you were sweet.

 

*Glass looks at him with this “Oh you!” look*

 

Kent: So you’re the proprietor of this establishment?

 

Glass: Yes. They call me the shopkeeper.

 

Kent: Who are “they“?

 

The Shopkeeper: Those whom seek tools, food, garments, and 12 varieties of pickles.

 

Connor: I like the Yum-Yums.

 

Eliana: Dill for me.

 

*Connor looks at Eliana and Eliana makes a “what?” gesture*

 

Kent: I mean, are they human customers... _or Demons_?

 

*The Shopkeeper has a puzzled look on his face*

 

Connor: I’m sorry Shopkeeper, it’s just that Kent doesn’t understand how this can be the only store in the entire city not effected by what’s going on outside.

 

The Shopkeeper: What _is_ going on outside?

 

Kent (shocked): You mean you can’t see it! It’s hell out there. Demons have taken over and humans have fallen to the bottom of the foodchain. Every building on this street has been reduced to rubble and you haven’t even noticed?

 

The Shopkeeper: Can’t say that I have. I guess I’ve been... lucky. That’s all.

 

Kent: Lucky? Lucky? Luck is finding a penny on the road. Luck is having an umbrella when it rains on a sunny day. Luck is _not_ being untouched by hells fury when all those around you perish - that’s something else. The fact of the matter is, this store shouldn’t exist.

 

The Shopkeeper: But it does. (small pause) So if you’re here to buy something, please do. If not, then I’m afraid you cannot loiter *points to a sign that says “No Loitering“*

 

*Kent has this baffled and angered look on his face like nothing he said was heard*

 

*The Shopkeeper points, referencing the sign again*

 

*Kents jaw drops*

 

Connor (interjecting): We need some supplies, do you have any?

 

The Shopkeeper: Of course, look around you. What do you need?

 

Connor: We’re going to be taking a trip. Well, she is. *points to Eliana*

 

Eliana: We don’t know how long it’s going to be, or to where.

 

The Shopkeeper: You sound like you’re preparing to be lost. Are you sure that’s the best course of action? Why don’t you just stay here in Los Angeles?

 

Kent: Haven’t you been listening to a word I said? It’s chaos out there! It’s.. (Connor cuts him off)

 

Connor: Shopkeeper, it would be best if she left.

 

The Shopkeeper: I see. Well, I may have a few things in the back that could help you out.

 

*The Shopkeeper goes to the back with Eliana while Connor turns to Kent*

 

Connor (lowered voice): Listen. The Shopkeeper is a good guy. Very weird. But a good guy. If he was dangerous, do you think I’d bring her here?

 

Kent: Do you know anything about him? Huh? This is completely reckless behaviour Connor, even for you. To associate with someone who clearly has an involvement in all this; it is very dangerous. He could be back there contacting some of his chums to come over and kill us where we stand!

 

Connor (louder): He wouldn’t do that.

 

Kent: How do you know? How do you know?

 

Connor (lowered): Because he saved me.

 

Kent: What?

 

Connor: That night with the Madi Demon. It was about to kill me, and he stopped it.

 

Kent: How?

 

Connor: I don’t know. One moment it was on top of me, the next it was dead beside me with him standing over it. I said thank you and he asked me if I wanted something to eat. We talked... for a while. I told him everything; about me, my father, this war.

 

Kent: So he knows? Then why..

 

Connor: ...He forgets things. There must be some sort of force protecting him - keeping the evil away; both from the store, and from his memories. I know that every time I show up he remembers my name, Eliana, and the happy little things about our lives. But everything else... it’s always new to him.

 

Kent: That’s a very interesting story, son. But I can’t imagine any force having the power to keep all this away.

 

Connor: I don’t care. I know that when I’m in here, I feel a part of me is home. That we’re away from the fighting, even for a moment. He is like a grandfather. So stop accusing him of being something he’s not.

 

Kent: Connor,

 

Connor: Stop. This conversation ends. You will treat him with respect and stop bringing up the hell that is outside. He doesn’t need that. _We_ don’t need that.

 

*The Shopkeeper Returns with Eliana - she has a bag of items*

 

The Shopkeeper: There, that should suffice for a trip of ambiguous nature.

 

Kent: How much do we owe you?

 

The Shopkeeper: For what?

 

Kent: Those items.

 

The Shopkeeper (laughing): Oh, consider it compliments of the house.

 

Connor: Thank you.

 

The Shopkeeper: You’re welcome, Connor. Don’t be afraid to come back again soon. I want to hear more about your family.

 

Connor: I will, don’t worry.

 

*They leave with Kent peering at The Shopkeeper as the door closes*

 

 

*Scene 4*

 

*The 3 are in front of the warehouse; Kent with the card in-hand, Eliana with the bag of items, and Connor with his sword.*

 

Kent: Well, this should be interesting.

 

Eliana: Where will I go once they get me out of here?

 

Connor: Do you have any relatives outside the state?

 

*Eliana shakes her head*

 

Connor: An Aunt? An Uncle? Maybe Eye-patch guy?

 

*Kent raises an eyebrow with a questioning look on his face*

 

Eliana: A cousin... in Rhode Island.

 

Kent: Well, they probably have safe houses - the government will surely take care of you. Social Services, perhaps. It may be tough but, it’ll be better than here, I assure you.

 

*They walk into the warehouse*

 

Eliana: What did the time say on the card?

 

Kent: 6pm.

 

Eliana: What time is it now?

 

Kent: 5... we’re early.

 

Connor: I smell something... This doesn’t feel right.

 

Kent: I’m sure there were plenty of unclean people walking through these doors - perhaps wounded. Freedom tends to be messy.

 

Connor: Maybe..

 

Eliana: It’s cold in here. But it’s so hot outside.

 

Kent: I think this used to be a slaughter house... for Cows, pigs, chickens. That’s probably what you smell.

 

Connor: No, this is human... and demon.

 

Kent: What?

 

*A “crash” sound*

 

Eliana: What was that?

 

*A “creek” sound*

 

Kent: This is definitely getting very interesting.

 

Connor: Well, something -or someone- is watching us.

 

*creepy music starts to play*

 

Kent: Yes, I have that feeling too.

 

*creepy music builds*

 

*camera looks around the abandoned warehouse*

 

Eliana: Is it bad?

 

*footsteps are heard*

 

*camera shows feet in wingtips walking down stairs into the open part of the warehouse*

 

*camera moves up to show Ethan Rayne*

 

*music peaks*

 

Rayne: Bad? Little girl, bad left a long time ago. Now you've got hell raining down and there's no shelter from what's coming... (smug) Oh, hello Kent...

 

*Typically, the show quicks-to-black in these instances... not here*

 

Kent: Um... Do I know you?

 

*Ethan looks dejected*

 

Rayne: Oh come on!

 

*quick to black*

 

*Scene 5*

 

Connor: Who are you?

 

Rayne: Ethan Rayne

 

Kent: What is this place?

 

Rayne: Your first stop to freedom.

 

Eliana: You can get me out of here?

 

Rayne: Of course I can, little girl. I can get all of you out of here.

 

Connor: We don’t want to go.

 

Rayne: Everyone wants to go, young boy.

 

Kent: Then why do you stay?

 

Rayne: To help out my fellow man, of course.

 

Eliana: Where will you take me?

 

Rayne: Far, far away from here. I assure you.

 

Connor: How can we trust you?

 

Rayne: How can I trust _you_?

 

Kent: That’s not an answer.

 

Rayne: Then I suppose none shall suffice.

 

Eliana: What will happen to me?

 

Rayne: You’ll be driven away from here, in a truck. With all the others.

 

Connor: Others?

 

Rayne: Oh yes, there are dozens of others right behind that door *points to a door*, if you come with me, I can take you there so we can go. Freedom is only a few steps away.

 

Kent: OH DROP THE CHARADE ETHAN!

 

Rayne: Oh, so you _do_ remember me, Kent.

 

Kent: Hard to forget someone who once turned a small town into an elaborate sideshow. I would have guessed someone like you would capitalize on something like this.

 

Rayne: Someone like me? Someone like _me_? Kent, I’m hurt. Hurt, I tell you, at such an accusation. I have changed, really I have.

 

Kent: Yes, I suppose you have.

 

*Raynes indignant face turns into one of smug satisfaction*

 

Kent: Instead of resorting to cheap parlour tricks you’ve sunk even lower than I would have imagined. Capitalizing on the fear and hopes of an entire city. How much do you charge them, huh? A hundred? A thousand? And where do you drop them off at, eh? At the edge of town? Completely helpless?

 

Rayne: Oh come now, Kent. Now I’m starting to think you really don’t know me. Why profit off of one group, when you can profit off two?

 

Kent: What?

 

*Vamps and Demons come out from the door*

 

Rayne: You want to know where I send them? From the frying pan and into the fire. Now it’s time to turn up the heat for all of...

 

*Eliana punches him in the nose, breaking it*

 

Rayne: OW! That... that hurt! Oh, you’ll pay for that one you wench!

 

*Kent punches him in the stomach*

 

Rayne (wheezing): You... you two. I’ll get you.. too...

 

*Connor finishes it off punching him on the chin, knocking him down*

 

Connor: You’re worse than any of them. It’s their nature to be evil. You had a choice. You will pay for..

 

*Just when it looks like Connor will finish Rayne off, a demon attack him*

 

*A big fight ensues. Eliana runs for cover. Kent battles 3 demons, while Connor takes on another 3. Ethan, slowly, crawls away, back into his office.*

 

Kent: Connor! They’re too much for us! We must leave, quickly!

 

Connor: NO! We have to shut this place down now! Before anyone else is hurt!

 

*Connor takes out his 3 demons with 3 shots from his stakeshooter*

 

Kent (still fighting): We must go!

 

Connor (stabbing one of the demons in the back): You go if you want. (kills another) But I’m staying.

 

*Connor holds the last one as Kent shoots it with a crossbow*

 

Kent: Again, very reckless.

 

Connor: I can’t believe you.

 

Kent: What did you say?

 

Connor: You wanted me to leave this place; to let it continue to run. This, the most horrible place I can imagine.

 

Kent: Come now, you’ve seen worse.

 

Connor: No, I haven’t. Not like this. This wasn’t just a slaughter house; this was a place that built up hope just to destroy it. That’s all we have left, Kent. Hope. And this place, this man, used it and manipulated it, and profited off of it. And you wanted to let it continue.

 

Kent: Connor, we would have closed it down soon enough. We just needed to know -

 

Connor: To know what? How many more people would have died -who would have suffered- how many more _families_ would have been lost because YOU are too scared to fight!

 

Kent: I am not scared, I am smart. I know when to pick my battles. And this one..

 

Connor: This one we won. I was right. We stayed, it stops, and now we deal with Ethan Rayne and make him pay.

 

Kent: What are you going to do to him? Kill him? He’s not a demon, Connor. He’s human. And he suffers from something that is very human - greed.

 

Connor: He gave up being human as soon as he made those damn cards.

 

*Connor sniffs the air*

 

Connor: Hmm... come to think of it... maybe _I_ won’t have to do anything at all.

 

*Connor walks over to get Eliana and leaves the building. Kent follows*

 

*Ethan, bloodied with a black eye, looks out from his office door and breathes a sigh of relief*

 

Rayne: Oh, thank god... they’re gone.

 

*Man #2 comes out from the room adjacent to the office*

 

Man #2: Mr. Rayne. I do not have my humans, yet.

 

Rayne: There was... complications.

 

Man #2: I know. You’re clients are dead.

 

Rayne: Yes.. well.. there will be more.

 

Man #2: ... and I’m still hungry.

 

*Man #2 vamps as Rayne has a look of shock and horror on his face The camera shoots outside of the office as the door closes*

 

*Final Scene*

 

* A shot of the General Store*

 

*The Shopkeeper is sweeping up as the door to the store opens and a bell rings signifying someone has entered*

 

*The Shopkeeper comes out from the aisle and sees Rudy standing there with 2 Monster bodyguards with him*

 

Rudy: Nice store you have here... Shopkeeper.

 

The Shopkeeper: Yes, well, I like to keep it tidy.

 

Rudy (laughing to himself): Yeah, I suppose it gets pretty messy in here.

 

The Shopkeeper: Do I know you?

 

Rudy: Drop the forgetfulness act, Shoppy. You know exactly who I am.

 

The Shopkeeper: Well, if you know what I know... then I suppose you know who I am.

 

Rudy: I know some things about you.

 

The Shopkeeper: Oh?

 

Rudy: Yeah, I know you’ve been hangin around with a kid. Connor. The son born of two vampires. Had his mind all messed up and his memories changed.

 

The Shopkeeper: He is a very nice boy.

 

Rudy: A very dangerous boy, too. Very important. I suppose you know that.

 

The Shopkeeper: Indeed I do.

 

Rudy: So why is someone like you hanging out with someone like him?

 

The Shopkeeper: Isn’t it obvious?

 

Rudy: I guess it is. But why now?

 

The Shopkeeper: Have you taken a look outside?

 

Rudy: Yeah, it’s beautiful. Chaos and Destruction. It chills my heart.

 

The Shopkeeper: Are you planning on buying anything, because...

 

Rudy: Yeah yeah yeah, no loitering. You’re all alike, you know that?

 

The Shopkeeper: Know what?

 

Rudy: Very funny, you keep forgettin. But remember this, you can’t stay here forever, old man.

 

*Rudy turns around to leave, knocking over a shelf of dry goods*

 

*The Shopkeeper starts to sweep it all up as he looks outside the window at a destroyed Los Angeles*

 

*Executive Producer: Joss Wrudon*

[chaosrage 0]

She was right....

That's just it. I hate how they always proved her right every time someone disagreed with her. Her plan was stupid. They just got slaughtered by Caleb and she wanted to run back and fight him. "Wow.. let's hope he doesn't do THAT again!" Of course Faith gets blown up for defying her though. That'll show her.

[Anya 0]

Her plan wasn't stupid. She didn't even get that far to come up with a plan. She was just saying they have to go after him. She was open to suggestions on how to go about that but they wouldn't listen. She was right. The power was there and they had to confront him. They cant just sit around waiting. The others didn't even have a plan of their own. They just didn't want to go back.

 

It was ridiculous how they were wanting "proof". When was that ever the case? Why didn't they sit around coming up with proof that Adam chilling out in his cave was a threat. What more proof could Buffy have got? Did Buffy need to give weapon inspectors more time at the Vineyard to come up with some WMD?

 

 

Sure, going back there was a dangerous idea but there was no other alternative. Sometmes you just have to do what is dangerous.

[chaosrage 0]

Yes it's stupid. Listen, they got slaughtered last time they went, and she wants them to go back and hope he doesn't slaughter them again. Without any proof whatsoever, just an idea. Why should they listen to her? Because she's the leader and never makes mistakes and if they do what she says there's nothing to worry about? Oh...Wait a minute. The common sense thing that would happen is that even if there was some power, Celeb wouldn't let them get it and would just tear them apart like last time. But that would go against the whole 'Buffy is right' syndrome. So Buffy went and beat his ass all by herself. Nice. Even though 20 of them couldn't get the job done before.

 

It sounded like they were willing to go back, they just didn't want to go on some suicide mission.

 

Although that's not the only reason they kicked her out. They were also tired of her bossy bitchy attitude. Who wasn't?

 

I hate season 7 worse than you but I liked it when they kicked her out the house.

[LaParkaMarka 0]

She was right....

That's just it. I hate how they always proved her right every time someone disagreed with her. Her plan was stupid. They just got slaughtered by Caleb and she wanted to run back and fight him. "Wow.. let's hope he doesn't do THAT again!" Of course Faith gets blown up for defying her though. That'll show her.

Yeah, they even had that one SiT talk about how they were punished for daring to disobey Buffy. Blah. Buffy was so annoying by the end of that show.

 

Also: Even though I knew it was coming, I marked out for Ethan Rayne. He's so great. Didn't really explain how he got out of jail though.

[Mole 0]

Chaos is right, it was a stupid plan.

 

How wasn't it stupid? They would have gone in there, Caleb would be waiting with the Bringers, and they would have kicked everyone's ass, AGAIN.

 

STUPID PLAN.

[Guest Brian]

That'd be Rudo's story, so I'll let him handle that. Episode 6 will be coming tomorrow, giving people enough time to swallow everythinh.

[Guest Brian]

And I think what it truly comes down to in terms of the difference between Buffy and Angel stories, and the reasons why the lines are so blurred in one and so well defined in the other, is because Angel is a vampire and Buffy is human. Because Angel is a vampire, he tends to blur that line between demon and human, bad guy and good guy. In Buffy, it's generally very well defined. Hence, you end up with characters like Holtz as opposed to the easy to define list of big bads in Buffy, which is what made polling a problem earlier.

[Mole 0]

Hmmm, that is an interesting point about Angel/Buffy, I never thought about that before. Jasmine, Connor, Cordy and pregnent Darla are other cases where the heel crosses the line of good/evil.

 

Brian, are you RRR's publicists now too?

[Anya 0]

So what else could they do? Sit around and wait for the ubies? Hope an evil law firm sends them a magic necklace?