The One and Only Angel Season 5 Thread

[Anya 0]

I LOVE the way he says he wants Wes to understand this is Angel, not Angelus.

[Jericholic82 0]

season 2 of buffy is on fx now, yesterday had the ep Ted with superb acting by the late John Ritter. Its amazing to me his ability to play both comedic and dramatic roles. and xan obssessing over the min-pizzas is funny too. and as i think about it, the whole xan/cord thing was lame. she was using him and wouldnt even tell anyone at first. Ya cant really blame him for kissing another girl I mean he said it himself

 

 

buffy quote of the day

 

Xander: Im 16, looking at the linoleum (floor) makes me think of sex

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

angel season 3 now on tnt, yesterday had the one where the old man enters angels body. funny part when the old guy in angel thinks Wes is Fred, who cordy asked him to tell that they cant ever be together in that way lmao

 

 

 

angel quote of the day

 

Lorne: I like to go be Lorne, but its weird cuz of the yknow (points to skin)

Angel: Lorne Greene

everyone else: huh?

Angel: Cmon Bonaanza does 18 years ont eh air mean anything to you guys

[Guest Brian]

I love the Bonanza humor.

 

It's just amazingly shocking because that whole thing builds like he's going to forgive him. The only two other moments that come close were killing Lindsay and Angel shutting the door on Wolfram and Hart, though both being bad guys kinda justified those things. I think seeing Reprise and finding out LA was the home office was pretty shocking, but nothing just straight up like that.

[Anya 0]

Darla dying of a STD and Dru re-siring her was shocking to me.

[Ravenbomb 0]

hey, wasn't the "previously on BTVS" thing from The Gift supposed to be on the season 6 set? Is it like an Easter Egg or something?

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Holy Crap, I totally forgot about Angel shutting the doors on WR&H. At the time, that was like "DID HE JUST DO THAT??!?". Fucking awesome stuff. You won't see that on other shows. The way they had WR&H playing around with Darla and Angel and thinking they had full control over the situation. Thinking that they held the leash. These rich humans playing with fire and getting burned. How smug they were sitting in the basement with their wine tasting and the fear that filled the room and the powerlessness from the realization that they weren't in control - they never were -; you can't see that on other shows because other shows wouldn't let their hero let those people die.

 

And the Lindsey thing... I read the spoilers. I read it. I still was fucking shocked when I saw it. So cold. So very cold.

[Ravenbomb 0]

Oh yeah, Angel shutting the doors. That's tied with them taking out his soul

[Guest Brian]

I don't know, they were still the bad guys to me and I was like, "Angle should have done that earlier". Sure, it went against his mission, but they were the bad guys.

 

Did they ever explain how the Beast got into the White Room? Was it through Angel's memory?

[Guest Brian]

Just watched Home. Cried at the end. I'm going to have to watch "Heartthrob" again and get a full grasp on the Connor arc.

[Anakin Flair 0]

Well, Innosence was on today. Weird seeing old-school Buffy eps again. forgot how weird the camera work was.

I've decided to do a massive Buffy/Angel marathon once I get season 7 of Buffy and Seasons 4 & 5 of Angel, which means, I guess, that it will be put off untill next year. Any idea when season 5 of Angel will be released?

[Guest Brian]

Well, I'm ready through episode 10 whenever Tony gets me episode 7. Here's the titles to the first six episodes, sans number five which was Rudo's so he can title it however he wants. Here we go:

 

Episode 1: “Pilot” Brave New World

Episode 2: Defender

Episode 3: Mercenaries

Episode 4: Trust

Episode 5:

Episode 6: Ghosts of the Past

 

Here's previews for the next couple of episodes:

 

Episode 8: The Lamb

Rudy finally gets his meeting with Connor, where Connor finds out that he's more than he looks.

 

Episode 9: Darwinism

What has the demons running scared above ground? Kent searches for answers while Connor deals with the consequences.

 

Episode 10: Life During Wartime

Kent reveals the secret the Order of Soraska has been hiding and tries to get Connor and Eliana ready, while the group gets a visit from a higher power.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Call it...

 

"Transactions"

[Guest Brian]

You know, we've done the voting and everything, but have we even just listed like our own "Top Ten Angel Episodes"?

[Ravenbomb 0]

probably

[Guest Brian]

How much better would Season Two have been with more Angellus-centric episodes? I'm watching Season Two now and if they had done more episodes like "Passions", it would have been freaking awesome.

[Steve J. Rogers 0]

Hey here is a theory about "did Angel REALLY sign away his Shanshu prophesey?"

 

Think about it for a second, "The Vampire With A Soul's" name really is "Liam" no questions asked right? Angelus was always a nickname, the way Spike was a nickname for "William The Bloddy" and Angel shortened it to Angel, I guess as part of his "breaking away from his past" and he didn't want to frighten anyone if he said his name was "Angelus"

 

So, on a legally binding contract, who in their right mind are EVER going to sign with a nickname? And a shortened version of the nickname at that? Is that even CONSIDERED a legal document? Oh I don't think so!

 

So what does Angel sign as as he signs away the Shanshu? "Angel"

 

Maybe I'm just grapsing at straws, who knows...

 

Steve

[Mole 0]

Yeah, that is streching it.

 

The way I look at it is that he did sign away the Shanshu because he doesn't care about it. Connor is the Shanshu to him, as he said so in "Not Fade Away." Well he didn't out right say that, but he sort of said it.

 

And I haven't watched an Angel/Buffy episode in about 3-4 weeks until last night. I just wanted to give them a break for a while, but I changed my mind last night after I took a nap at 8 and couldn't fall asleep at night.

 

So I watched "Smile Time" which stands as the funniest episode in Whedonverse history. I then watched the Faith turn arc of season 3, "Doppelgängland," "Enemies," "Earshot," and "Choices."

 

Those four episodes are one of the main reasons I love Buffy/Angel so much. All of the foreshadowing (Willow being Gay, Anya/Xander, etc.), Angel and Buffy's relationship, the Mayor, and the Faith arc. They did such a damn good job at turning Faith into someone you just hate, it is amazing. And they basically did it in 5 episodes.

[LaParkaMarka 0]

How much better would Season Two have been with more Angellus-centric episodes? I'm watching Season Two now and if they had done more episodes like "Passions", it would have been freaking awesome.

We're talking Buffy season 2, where Passion = Angelus snuffing out Jenny Calender? That's probably IMO the best Buffy episode. Just amazing all the way through. Angelus drawing Buffy/Joyce/Willow while they slept, killing Willow's fish, the whole interplay between Giles/Jenny/Buffy/Willow. And, of course, Angelus getting iced champagne and covering Giles' apartment with roses leading up to Jenny's corpse in the bed. Angelus' voiceover about the ecstacy of grief, Giles' going nuts with a flaming bat. So good.

 

Maybe one of the best Buffyverse eps ever, though there were some really great Angel eps the last few seasons.

[Mole 0]

Only "Apacolypse Nowish" ranks higher than "Passion."

 

And I watched "Not Fade Away" a few weeks ago and I don't think it will stand the time. I wasn't into as much as I was before, and that isn't just because it was the last episode. I just wasn't into it.

[Guest Brian]

I need to see Apocalypse Nowish again, once the DVD's come out plus it'll be in re-runs in early September on TNT. I haven't seen Not Fade Away in a while, but A Hole in the World stands up really well.

 

But we always talk about how great Season Four would have been if the Beast would have gone the whole show, what about Season Two of Buffy if they had spent more time with Angellus?

 

As for signing over the prophesy, it didn't matter since he had already sanshu'd at that point, and had really done so back in Season Three with the birth of Connor.

[BlackFlagg 0]

But we always talk about how great Season Four would have been if the Beast would have gone the whole show, what about Season Two of Buffy if they had spent more time with Angellus?

While more Angelus would've been cool it would've cut down on Spike's time as a big bad, once Angelus came into the picture he became just a sideman.

[Guest Brian]

But there were episodes in between Innocence and Becoming that didn't have Angellus as the central point, which was what I was getting at.

[BlackFlagg 0]

But there were episodes in between Innocence and Becoming that didn't have Angellus as the central point, which was what I was getting at.

Ahhh, okey dokey, yeah...that would've been nice

[Anya 0]

I watched Dopplegangland today. It's soo good.

 

I was thinking about Pangs. Anya has this line where she sees Angel and goes "so this is angel?" as if they'd never met. This got me thinking. She is in DopplegangLand, The Prom and Grad Day 1 yet never met Angel? Surely they did! So I watched Dopplegangland to be sure.

 

 

It's weird to think of how Angel's crew like has never met Buffy's. Like Anya has met Angel ONCE. Xander wouldn't even know Gunn exists.

[Ravenbomb 0]

half of Angel's Avengers were ON Buffy

[Anya 0]

Yeah, but the other half has never even seen the Buffy people. Also nobody on Buffy past the high school years ever met Angel's people. Andrew talking to Fred is cool.

[LaParkaMarka 0]

I loved Willow and Fred's interaction in Season 4. Too bad there wasn't more.

 

Heck, Willow's interaction with everyone was great. Her chat with Evil Cordy, her chat with Broody Wes. All good.

[BlackFlagg 0]

I was always hoping for a Giles cameo if only to see his reaction to the changes in Wes.

[Guest Brian]

Found something I missed:

 

1727- Liam is born in Galway, Ireland.

 

1753 - Sired in Ireland. Massacres the entire village, including his family.

 

1764 - (York, England) Holtz is already on the hunt for Angellus and Darla, where they slay his family.

 

1765 - Followed by Holtz, Darla and Angel take refuge in a barn in France before their cover is blown. Darla ditches Angellus.

 

1965-6 - Angellus catches up with Darla in Vienna.

 

1767 - (Marseilles, France) In transit to Morocco while fleeing Holtz. Traveling with James, Darla, and Elizabeth.

 

1771 - (Rome) The monsignor assists Holtz in his capture and torture of Angellus before Darla arrives with reinforcements to bail him out. I'm pretty sure this is the last confrontation between the two.

 

1789 - (Prussia) Angel is on route to Vienna when he meets the Beast. Angel is beat to near death before the Beast is banished.

 

1799 - Angel sires Penn.

 

1818 - (Dublin, Ireland) Kills Daniel on Christmas.

 

1838 - Romania

 

1860 - (London, England) Angel sires Dru, who once had the visions.

 

1880 - (London) Dru turns Spike. Darla has left Angelus for the master. The three massacre a wedding. Spike finds Angel messing with Dru after telling him she was his "destiny". And the two fight, with Angel prevailing and giving the young'un a lesson.

 

1880 - (Yorkshire, England) On the run from London, the four take refuge in a coal mine during the day.

 

1890 - Angellus is watching Jezel (ballet) by the Valiznikov troupe. I'm assumingthis is in St. Petersburg.

 

1894 - (Rome, Italy) - Being tied up with Spike so the Immortal can have a three-way.

 

1898 - (Borsa, Romania) Ensouled after murdering a gypsy girl that Darla brought Angel.

 

1900 - (China) - Angel tries to reunite with Darla during the Boxer Rebellion. Spike defeats a slayer.

 

1902 - (New York, New York) Angel arrives in the US.

 

1920s - (Chicago, IL) Angel saves a puppy

 

1920s - (Juarez, Mexico) Angel fights Boone over a senorita for three and a half days before the sun comes up and Boone lets up.

 

1930s - (Las Vegas, NV) Hanging with Bugsy Segal.

 

1930s - (Missoula, Montana) Reasons unknown, passed through during the Depression.

 

1943 - (Atlantic Ocean) Angel is being used by the US government to help recover a captured sub.

 

1952 - (Los Angeles, CA) - Angel is at the Hyperion where a poltergeist is in control of the hotel. Angel is hung and leaves before he can slay the ghost.

 

Early-Mid 60's - (Las Vegas, NV) Hung out with the Rat Pack at the Sands.

 

5/1/67 - Angel attends Elvis' wedding at the Aladdin Hotel in Las Vegas.

 

1975/6 - Angel drinks from a restaurant owner who's been shot, spends the next twenty years drinking from rats and living in alleys.

 

1996 - Whistler, working for the PTB and trying to restore a balance between good and evil, offers to pick up Angel and get him started. Angel is wandering the streets of Manhattan. He shows him Buffy in Los Angeles.1727- Liam is born in Galway, Ireland.

 

1753 - Sired in Ireland. Massacres the entire village, including his family.

 

1764 - (York, England) Holtz is already on the hunt for Angellus and Darla, where they slay his family.

 

1765 - Followed by Holtz, Darla and Angel take refuge in a barn in France before their cover is blown.

 

1767 - (Marseilles, France) In transit to Morocco while fleeing Holtz. Traveling with James, Darla, and Elizabeth.

 

1771 - (Rome) The monsignor assists Holtz in his capture and torture of Angellus before Darla arrives with reinforcements to bail him out. I'm pretty sure this is the last confrontation between the two.

 

1789 - (Prussia) Angel is on route to Vienna when he meets the Beast. Angel is beat to near death before the Beast is banished.

 

1799 - Angel sires Penn.

 

1818 - (Dublin, Ireland) Kills Daniel on Christmas.

 

1838 - Romania

 

1860 - (London, England) Angel sires Dru, who once had the visions.

 

1880 - (London) Dru turns Spike. Darla has left Angelus for the master. The three massacre a wedding. Spike finds Angel messing with Dru after telling him she was his "destiny". And the two fight, with Angel prevailing and giving the young'un a lesson.

 

1880 - (Yorkshire, England) On the run from London, the four take refuge in a coal mine during the day.

 

1890 - Angellus is watching Jezel (ballet) by the Valiznikov troupe. I'm assumingthis is in St. Petersburg.

 

1894 - (Rome, Italy) - Being tied up with Spike so the Immortal can have a three-way.

 

1898 - (Borsa, Romania) Ensouled after murdering a gypsy girl that Darla brought Angel.

 

1900 - (China) - Angel tries to reunite with Darla during the Boxer Rebellion. Spike defeats a slayer.

 

1902 - (New York, New York) Angel arrives in the US.

 

1920s - (Chicago, IL) Angel saves a puppy

 

1920s - (Juarez, Mexico) Angel fights Boone over a senorita for three and a half days before the sun comes up and Boone lets up.

 

1930s - (Las Vegas, NV) Hanging with Bugsy Segal.

 

1930s - (Missoula, Montana) Reasons unknown, passed through during the Depression.

 

1943 - (Atlantic Ocean) Angel is being used by the US government to help recover a captured sub.

 

1952 - (Los Angeles, CA) - Angel is at the Hyperion where a poltergeist is in control of the hotel. Angel is hung and leaves before he can slay the ghost.

 

Early-Mid 60's - (Las Vegas, NV) Hung out with the Rat Pack at the Sands.

 

5/1/67 - Angel attends Elvis' wedding at the Aladdin Hotel in Las Vegas.

 

9/11/67 - (Hollywood) Attended first taping of Carol Burnett Show.

 

1975/6 - Angel drinks from a restaurant owner who's been shot, spends the next twenty years drinking from rats and living in alleys.

 

1996 - Whistler, working for the PTB and trying to restore a balance between good and evil, offers to pick up Angel and get him started. Angel is wandering the streets of Manhattan. He shows him Buffy in Los Angeles.

[Mole 0]

A Gunn/Xander convo would be gold.