Raw sucks up to our troops

[Guest Coffey]

It sickens me to see anyone hate on anyone else for any reason. Most people that I have come in contact with that dislike french people, dislike them because of things that they have overheard. Ignorance at it's finest. It's no different from racism or sexism.

[Guest The Real Nosferatu]

People complaina bout pronouncing Iraq, how come no one bothers when 90% of americans pronounce Italian by syaing I-Tallion.

Besides Archie Bunker, who is just a sitcom character, who does that?

Besides TV sitcom people, everyone i know (personal life) just about pronounces it "Eye" at the begining.

 

Of course I say "Eye-Rack" to pronounce Iraq, so im no better,

[AndrewTS 0]

It sickens me to see anyone hate on anyone else for any reason. Most people that I have come in contact with that dislike french people, dislike them because of things that they have overheard. Ignorance at it's finest. It's no different from racism or sexism.

One shouldn't hate them for the war, or hate them period. Mocking them for being rude, foppish, and rioting over every little thing at the drop of a hat--that's well and good.

 

"It is wrong to be French!" -- Al Bundy.

 

Why haven't they had La Res tap out as soon as a submission hold is applied yet? Or bolt from the ring and get counted out when they're taking on tough opponents?

[Guest Coffey]

Because their Canadian?

[AndrewTS 0]

Because their Canadian?

Except for Jerry's screw up, in WWE-land they're supposed to be from Paris, though.

[Guest Coffey]

Well, if it was me, I can tell you what I would do. Rob Conway & Rene Dupree both seem to be more than capable in the ring. The problem area lies in Sylvan Greiner (sp?) who just so happens to be injured right now.

 

I'd let Conway & Dupree go solo. It's obvious that the Raw tag team division is a joke. Hell, there are only 4-5 teams, and most of them were just slopped together.

 

The Dudley Boyz, whom are stale.

 

La Résistance whom were destined to fail due to their gimmick right from the start.

 

The Hurricane & Rosey, whom no one can consider a real tag team. They were just thrown together as a comedy team because neither man had anything to do.

 

Mark Jindrak & Garrison Cade but no one even knows who they are.

 

Mark Henry & Rodney Mack which may be the tag team to have the least charisma in the history of prowrestling.

 

How can you build a division out of that?

The WWE should just scrap the damn thing. The Dudleys can be shipped off to Smackdown as a team and let the others run amock in the mid card for awhile.

[Mr. S£im Citrus 0]

I don't agree with the whole rationale for the war. I do think troops should get a forum to talk to their families, friends & fellow troops. I do not want said forum on pro wrestling.

Fair enough. I just think it's incredibly fucked up to say that the soldiers should get nothing, just because some people don't agree with the war.

[Guest Coffey]

For sure. A lot of the troops that are overseas taking bullets are some of the same people that don't agree with the war.

[Mr. S£im Citrus 0]

^^^^ This is true...

[Guest thrall585]

Half the people in this country believe those soldiers are getting injured for no reason. They believe they shouldn't be at war. So the general public should not be forced to have compassion for these men. However, people who believe with what they are doing can have compassion for them.

And yes, WWE does shove their partisan beliefs down the people's throats with constant showings of American troops from Iraq, and half the people like it, and half the people don't, so it is pointless, except for Vince to show off his partisan views.

And the troops that who volunteered for the war who don't agree with the war are idiots because they think they are fighting for America, when they are only fighting for what half the nation believes in. That isn't fighting for America.

[Guest Trivia247]

I think it was a nice touch for the WWE to do that for the wounded soldiers.

 

Oh by the way... Trivia, where did you find that picture of HHH?? That is awesome!!

im a contributor to Obsessed with wrestling so I use pics from their archives they got tons of great stuff there...if I got my puter back I would be making a large libary for myself

 

and if I got my original info I would set them up with tons more of pics

[Guest Coffey]

It has nothing to do with the war you mongaloid. That's our point. It has to do with human compassion. No one should have to die...in a war or not. That's why we're saying that you should show some compassion for the soldiers. They are over there because they want to protect and serve our country. Whether they agree with the reasons they were dispatched or not, they are still American's fighting for other American's and getting hurt/killed.

 

No one is debating whether they are getting hurt because the war is pointless. We're trying to debate that you should have some common decency for a human life.

[Guest thrall585]

When someone dies of a cause that the public doesn't care about, they don't care that the person dies. For example, if an Iraqi troop dies, American people don't care because they don't agree with their cause. Compassion for humans does not exist unless people care about them.

[Guest Coffey]

And that's just not true. Why don't you read up on some Vietnam history....

[Guest thrall585]

It is true. It applies to most people, except to the ones who love everybody, but those people are slim. I have read on Vietnam and they had a lottery back then. So they were forced to go. That is different because the majority didn't believe they should go to war, and they cared about the people in Vietnam. In Iraq, nearly everyone or everyone volunteered to go, and half the people don't agree with their cause, so they won't care if they die or not.

[Mr. S£im Citrus 0]

Half the people in this country believe those soldiers are getting injured for no reason. They believe they shouldn't be at war. So the general public should not be forced to have compassion for these men. However, people who believe with what they are doing can have compassion for them

 

Whether they agree or not is no reason to bag on the soldiers.

 

And yes, WWE does shove their partisan beliefs down the people's throats with constant showings of American troops from Iraq, and half the people like it, and half the people don't, so it is pointless, except for Vince to show off his partisan views.

 

WWE showing American troops on television isn't partisan, unless you're using some new definition of "partisan" that I was previously unaware of; it's Vince saying he appreciates the bravery of those guys that went over there and got shot at. That's it; stop fucking reading into it.

 

And the troops that who volunteered for the war who don't agree with the war are idiots because they think they are fighting for America, when they are only fighting for what half the nation believes in. That isn't fighting for America.

 

What the fuck? I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but everybody stationed over there didn't wait until the war started to enlist; in fact, I'm fairly certain that very few of the people over there enlisted to fight in the Iraqi war. If you're in the armed forces, you don't get to say, "I'm not going to Iraq, because I don't agree with why we're going over there."

 

Based on that statement, my knee-jerk reaction would be to assume that you're an idiot, but I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and just assume that you're misinformed.

[Mr. S£im Citrus 0]

... In Iraq, nearly everyone or everyone volunteered to go, and half the people don't agree with their cause, so they won't care if they die or not.

You're full of shit; just because this is an all-volunteer armed forces doesn't mean that we all volunteered to go to Iraq. You act like the United States Armed Forces didn't exist before the Iraqi War.

[Guest Coffey]

Ok, this guy has to be a troll. I can't believe that anyone is actually this stupid.

 

I'm legit speechless.

[Guest thrall585]

Whether they agree or not is no reason to bag on the soldiers.

 

Not "bag on the soldiers" just not care about them if they don't agree with their cause.

 

WWE showing American troops on television isn't partisan, unless you're using some new definition of "partisan" that I was previously unaware of

 

It is partisan because the nation is split on support for the the troops who went to Iraq

 

What the fuck? I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but everybody stationed over there didn't wait until the war started to enlist; in fact, I'm fairly certain that very few of the people over there enlisted to fight in the Iraqi war. If you're in the armed forces, you don't get to say, "I'm not going to Iraq, because I don't agree with why we're going over there."

 

Based on that statement, my knee-jerk reaction would be to assume that you're an idiot, but I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and just assume that you're misinformed.

 

I'm relying on common sense on this one: People are no longer forced to go to war. If you are in the military and don't want to go to war, I assume you don't have to.

[Guest thrall585]

Ok, this guy has to be a troll. I can't believe that anyone is actually this stupid.

 

I'm legit speechless.

 

No you're the troll for stating the most absurd comments ever

[Guest Coffey]

Obviously you lack in the common sense department. We established that awhile ago.

You're a troll because you're no selling pretty much everything that we've said. You retort with "I'm using common sense" and "Yes, I am right." Obviously the only reason that you are continuing is because you want to get into some political debate in the WWE forum.

 

I know that I would consider that a flame bait. Seeing as how your post count is so low, and we've have many problems recently with spammers/trolls/gimmick posters, I made an assumption.

 

Never the less I'm going to report this post to the mods and see what they think. It's out of my hands, but I don't think that it's "just a difference of opinion."

 

I agree with the war

You do?

 

When someone dies of a cause that the public doesn't care about, they don't care that the person dies

They don't?

 

American people don't care because they don't agree with their cause.

We don't?

 

It applies to most people, except to the ones who love everybody

There are exceptions?

 

And the troops who volunteered for the war who don't agree with the war are idiots because they think they are fighting for America

They aren't?

 

I'm relying on common sense on this one: If you are in the military and don't want to go to war, I assume you don't have to.

You're wrong.

Edited September 24, 2003 by Mr. Jag0

[Guest thrall585]

Obviously you lack in the common sense department. We established that awhile ago.

 

It definitely was not because I do not lack in that department, however I am not certain on the facts of if military troops are forced to go to war in 2003.

 

You're a troll because you're no selling pretty much everything that we've said. You retort with "I'm using common sense" and "Yes, I am right." Obviously the only reason that you are continuing is because you want to get into some political debate in the WWE forum.

 

I'm selling everything that is being said, however everything may not have been said, so it could be hard to have a final case. I am doing this not for the hell of it, because some of the comments I have seen I believe are wrong, and I want to argue them.

 

I can report you to the mods too and they can see what they think.

[Mr. S£im Citrus 0]

Not "bag on the soldiers" just not care about them if they don't agree with their cause.

 

There's no reason not to care about the soldiers; it's not our fault that the country is at war. We don't operate autonomously.

 

 

It is partisan because the nation is split on support for the the troops who went to Iraq.

 

You seem to be confusing the definitions of "partisan" and "appreciative."

 

Partisan would be if they said something like, "here are some of our boys who just came back from whippin' Saddam's ass for the good ol' U. S. of A." They didn't say that.

 

 

 

I'm relying on common sense on this one:  People are no longer forced to go to war.  If you are in the military and don't want to go to war, I assume you don't have to.

 

Well, you can stop assuming; that's not how it works. Your "common sense" is on the blink.

[Guest thrall585]

There's no reason not to care about the soldiers; it's not our fault that the country is at war. We don't operate autonomously.

 

If they are not forced to go to war, then people who do not believe in the cause in the war have all the reason in the world not to care about them.

 

You seem to be confusing the definitions of "partisan" and "appreciative."

 

Partisan would be if they said something like, "here are some of our boys who just came back from whippin' Saddam's ass for the good ol' U. S. of A." They didn't say that.

 

Partisan is having a certain belief. WWE has certainly shown their partisan beliefs. However what you said would even be more partisan because the belief is made even stronger.

 

 

Well, you can stop assuming; that's not how it works. Your "common sense" is on the blink.

 

I am assuming because proof hasn't been shown of people in the armed forces being required to go to war in Iraq. I won't believe in a statement saying that people are forced to because it has no common sense to it, I will need to see proof. My common sense is not on the "blink".

[Mr. S£im Citrus 0]

1. As I said, the United States Armed Forces didn't declare war on Iraq. Congress did. People who object to the war have no reason not to care about the soldiers, because it's not the soldiers' fault.

 

2. Showing the troops on RAW isn't any more partisan than the "Smackdown the Vote" campaign. Stop being obtuse.

 

3. If you want proof, enlist, and see for yourself. As someone who's been in the military for almost nine years, I'm telling you that your assumption is patently stupid. That's not how it works: when you enlist in the military, you sign a piece of paper that says that you will obey any lawful order, as prescribed by military regulations and doctrine. "Go to war," whether you want to believe it or not, is a lawful order.

 

I enlisted in 1995, long before war was declared on Iraq. I may or may not agree with why we are at war with Iraq, but if the CNO tells me I have to go over there, then I have to fucking go. That's the way it works.

[Guest thrall585]

>>I agree with the war

>You do?

 

Yes. Even though it isn't fighting for America since half the people don't believe in the cause, and even though there is no proof of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, it is still obvious that they have them, so the war makes sense.

 

>>When someone dies of a cause that the public doesn't care about, they don't care that the person dies

>They don't?

 

Right, what is hard to get about this one?

 

>>American people don't care because they don't agree with their cause.

>We don't?

 

You failed to quote me properly. I said American people don't care about Iraqi soldiers (and I mean the ones who volunteer, if some can do so) dying because they don't agree with their cause.

 

>>It applies to most people, except to the ones who love everybody

>There are exceptions?

 

Yes, some people (slim minority) care about everyone even if they don't believe in their cause.

 

>>And the troops who volunteered for the war who don't agree with the war are idiots because they think they are fighting for America

>They aren't?

 

They aren't what?

 

>>I'm relying on common sense on this one: If you are in the military and don't want to go to war, I assume you don't have to.

>You're wrong.

 

Show me proof because I won't believe an illogical thing without proof. Or you can explain why people in the military are forced to go to war.

[Mr. S£im Citrus 0]

*sigh*

 

I just fucking told you why!

[the pinjockey 0]

"Or you can explain why people in the military are forced to go to war."

 

This quote is thisclose to being sigworthy.

[Guest thrall585]

People who object to the war have no reason not to care about the soldiers, because it's not the soldiers' fault.

 

It is, they can not go to the war if they don't want to. There are ways like leaving to go to college instead of staying in the mililtary.

 

Showing the troops on RAW isn't any more partisan than the "Smackdown the Vote" campaign. Stop being obtuse.

 

It is more partisan because half the people don't believe in the war's cause while the majority of people believe in voting in major elections.

[Mr. S£im Citrus 0]

"Or you can explain why people in the military are forced to go to war."

 

This quote is thisclose to being sigworthy.

... for all the wrong reasons...