Raw sucks up to our troops

[Guest thrall585]

*sigh*

 

I just fucking told you why!

 

You just "fucking" told me why what?

 

... for all the wrong reasons... 

 

For all the wrong reasons what?

[Guest Choken One]

WELL!

 

This became CE thread pretty quickly...

 

 

I just want to say this...It didn't hurt anyone did it? No.

 

For those guys...it might have been the first chance they had to say something to family or friends that they haven't gotten in contact with or to say thanks to the ones still in Iraq...

[Guest thrall585]

>>"Or you can explain why people in the military are forced to go to war."

>This quote is thisclose to being sigworthy.

 

No reason it should be. Military is to train you for war if you decide to go, not force you to go to war. You make the decision, and if you don't want to go, you don't have to. For example, you can leave the military.

[the pinjockey 0]

When you join the military you sign a contract. This isn't like the sports world where you can holdout and not live up to your contract. In the real world, businesses will sue for breech and the government will jail your ass for breaching their contract.

[Guest thrall585]

When you join the military you sign a contract. This isn't like the sports world where you can holdout and not live up to your contract. In the real world, businesses will sue for breech and the government will jail your ass for breaching their contract.

 

But not every single contract states you must fight in any war. There has to be contracts that allow you to train for wars, and choose the wars you go into.

[the pinjockey 0]

um...wow....just wow

[Guest thrall585]

LOL. Once again I'm relying on common sense here. Like all jobs, there are contracts, and not every single contract is the same. This isn't communism.

[Mr. S£im Citrus 0]

People who object to the war have no reason not to care about the soldiers, because it's not the soldiers' fault.

 

It is, they can not go to the war if they don't want to. There are ways like leaving to go to college instead of staying in the mililtary.

 

 

Stop being stupid; you can't just leave the military to go to college! Once you enlist, there are basically only two ways out:

 

1 - get honorably discharged when your enlistment is up.

2 - get dishonorably discharged. People who don't have shit for brains don't get themselves dishonorably discharged.

 

There are other exceptions, but "going to college" is not one of them.

 

It is more partisan because half the people don't believe in the war's cause while the majority of people believe in voting in major elections.

 

Sure they do; 51% sure is an overwhelming majority.

[Guest thrall585]

Stop being stupid; you can't just leave the military to go to college! Once you enlist, there are basically only two ways out:

 

1 - get honorably discharged when your enlistment is up.

2 - get dishonorably discharged. People who don't have shit for brains don't get themselves dishonorably discharged.

 

There are other exceptions, but "going to college" is not one of them.

 

Right there are other exceptions. I'm sure people can find a legal way out of the military if they want to.

 

>>It is more partisan because half the people don't believe in the war's cause while the majority of people believe in voting in major elections.

>Sure they do; 51% sure is an overwhelming majority.

 

Took you long to state that there is really a majority not 50/50. 51% is not an overwhelming majority, it is a majority, but it's nearly half and half, so you can just say so.

[Mr. S£im Citrus 0]

When you join the military you sign a contract. This isn't like the sports world where you can holdout and not live up to your contract. In the real world, businesses will sue for breech and the government will jail your ass for breaching their contract.

 

But not every single contract states you must fight in any war. There has to be contracts that allow you to train for wars, and choose the wars you go into.

Okay, now I'm sure you're yanking our chains. You're either a troll, or you've had the worst education available anywhere. That's not only dead wrong, it's the dumbest statement about the United States Military that I've ever read.

[Guest thrall585]

>>But not every single contract states you must fight in any war. There has to be contracts that allow you to train for wars, and choose the wars you go into.

>Okay, now I'm sure you're yanking our chains. You're either a troll, or you've had the worst education available anywhere. That's not only dead wrong, it's the dumbest statement about the United States Military that I've ever read.

 

Its not, being a soldier is a job and all jobs have contracts and all contracts differ for jobs. Common sense states that you can train to be a soldier and fight in wars in that you believe in. And I believe that is true too.

[Mr. S£im Citrus 0]

Right there are other exceptions.  I'm sure people can find a legal way out of the military if they want to.

 

None of which include, "not wanting to go to war."

 

Took you long to state that there is really a majority not 50/50.  51% is not an overwhelming majority, it is a majority, but it's nearly half and half, so you can just say so.

 

Um, that number is, in fact, based on the turnout of registered voters, not of the number of voting-elligible people. In no presidential election in recent history have at least 51 percent of those eligible to vote actually done so, so the "majority" of people in this country do not, in fact, show up to vote in major elections.

[Guest thrall585]

>>Right there are other exceptions. I'm sure people can find a legal way out of the military if they want to.

>None of which include, "not wanting to go to war."

 

That is their real reason but I'm sure they can find a legal reason.

 

>>Took you long to state that there is really a majority not 50/50. 51% is not an overwhelming majority, it is a majority, but it's nearly half and half, so you can just say so.

>Um, that number is, in fact, based on the turnout of registered voters, not of the number of voting-elligible people. In no presidential election in recent history have at least 51 percent of those eligible to vote actually done so, so the "majority" of people in this country do not, in fact, show up to vote in major elections.

 

Ok. The reasons to vote have been stated enough to people. But the majority still do not believe in it. So WWE shouldn't be partisan towards voting because the majority of the people don't agree with it.

[Mr. S£im Citrus 0]

Its not...

Yes. It is. There is no contract that ever has, or ever will exist in the United States Military that allows you to pick and choose what campaigns you want to participate in. If you're in, and a war breaks out, and they tell you to go, you're going. If you refuse to fight in a war, they'll throw you in the brig; "disobeying a lawful order" is the very least you can hope to be charged with. You will absolutely be court-martialed, charges against you may go as high as treason.

 

You have no idea whatsoever what the hell you're talking about.

[the pinjockey 0]

"So WWE shouldn't be partisan towards voting because the majority of the people don't agree with it. "

 

And the hits just keep on coming.

[Mr. S£im Citrus 0]

WWE shouldn't encourage people to vote? Why the hell not?

[Guest wrestlingbs]

:Shoots gun in the air:

 

People, people! I didn't create this thread to cause a war argument. If you want to do that go to the CE folder. Or go to any college campus. This thread is about whether the WWE was exploiting those troops on Raw.

 

Now continue to argue.

[Vyce 0]

It has nothing to do with the war you mongaloid. That's our point. It has to do with human compassion. No one should have to die...in a war or not. That's why we're saying that you should show some compassion for the soldiers. They are over there because they want to protect and serve our country. Whether they agree with the reasons they were dispatched or not, they are still American's fighting for other American's and getting hurt/killed.

 

No one is debating whether they are getting hurt because the war is pointless. We're trying to debate that you should have some common decency for a human life.

I agree with this.

 

Well, except the part about the war being pointless.

 

But the general idea here, yes, I agree wholeheartedly.

 

Whether or not you agree with the war - of which is NO FUCKING CONSEQUENCE - the troops deserve, at the LEAST, your respect and compassion, because they're dealing shit that 99.99% of us will never have to (lord willing), and they're doing it for, at the least, what they perceive of as, good reasons.

 

If you don't like the WWE showcasing them because you think they're exploiting the troops, I can understand and probably even agree with you.

 

If you don't like the WWE showcasing them because they're soldiers in a a partially unpopular war or because you think it's "ramming a partisan message" down people's throats.......I don't know what to say to you.

 

Oh, wait, I do: I honestly and sincerely hope that one day, suddenly and completely by surprise, you're assaulted and anally violated by a grizzly bear.

 

I bid good day to you, gentlemen.

[Mr. S£im Citrus 0]

Was it exploitation? No.

 

Discussion over.

[Guest thrall585]

Its not...

 

Yes. It is. There is no contract that ever has, or ever will exist in the United States Military that allows you to pick and choose what campaigns you want to participate in. If you're in, and a war breaks out, and they tell you to go, you're going. If you refuse to fight in a war, they'll throw you in the brig; "disobeying a lawful order" is the very least you can hope to be charged with. You will absolutely be court-martialed, charges against you may go as high as treason.

 

You have no idea whatsoever what the hell you're talking about.

 

Then people should not go into the military if they don't want to be forced to do things they do not want (like going into wars they don't believe in).

[Mr. S£im Citrus 0]

Its not...

 

Yes. It is. There is no contract that ever has, or ever will exist in the United States Military that allows you to pick and choose what campaigns you want to participate in. If you're in, and a war breaks out, and they tell you to go, you're going. If you refuse to fight in a war, they'll throw you in the brig; "disobeying a lawful order" is the very least you can hope to be charged with. You will absolutely be court-martialed, charges against you may go as high as treason.

 

You have no idea whatsoever what the hell you're talking about.

 

Then people should not go into the military if they don't want to be forced to do things they do not want (like going into wars they don't believe in).

...

 

That's the first non-stupid thing you've said all day...

[Guest thrall585]

>>"So WWE shouldn't be partisan towards voting because the majority of the people don't agree with it. "

>And the hits just keep on coming.

 

Nope, no "hits". The points of voting have been made to the general public, but still the majority do not want to vote. WWE telling people to vote will not change people's minds, it is just shoving their partisan views down people's throats with showing "Smackdown your Vote" everytime it is time for it and it annoys the majority of the people since they don't believe in voting. Pretty dumb.

[Guest thrall585]

That's the first non-stupid thing you've said all day...

 

I've said nothing stupid. However I've been ignorant on some things and I have admitted that I could be by saying "I'm relying on common sense, and I do not have the facts here so here it goes:".

[the pinjockey 0]

There is a difference between not believing and not caring in voting. Give people a reason to vote and they will. Even the people who use their right not to vote, because they don't like any choice, still believe in voting.

[Mr. S£im Citrus 0]

I've said nothing stupid. However I've been ignorant on some things and I have admitted that I could be by saying "I'm relying on common sense, and I do not have the facts here so here it goes:".

I might accept that statement, if it weren't for the fact that I've been trying to tell you that you were misinformed for well over an hour.

[Guest thrall585]

There is a difference between not believing and not caring in voting. Give people a reason to vote and they will.

 

Right if people care about something, they tend to do it. However nothing makes the majority care about voting. So if WWE was smart, they would stop being partisan towards voting, because it annoys the majority who do not believe in it or care.

[the pinjockey 0]

So the WWE is trying to get people to care. What is wrong or partisan about that?

[Guest thrall585]

>So the WWE is trying to get people to care. What is wrong or partisan about that?

 

That is dumb because the points of voting and why people should care have been made known to the public. But the majority still don't believe in voting or don't care. So WWE is wasting their time and annoying the majority of people.

Edited September 24, 2003 by thrall585

[Guest thrall585]

>>I've said nothing stupid. However I've been ignorant on some things and I have admitted that I could be by saying "I'm relying on common sense, and I do not have the facts here so here it goes:".

>I might accept that statement, if it weren't for the fact that I've been trying to tell you that you were misinformed for well over an hour.

 

Don't remember you saying that but if you did, you should have explained what I was misinformed in. Saying "you are misinformed" is not good enough. And once you finally explained what I was misinformed in, I stopped saying ignorant comments.

[Mr. S£im Citrus 0]

That is dumb because the points of voting and why people should care have been made known to the public. But the majority still don't believe in voting or don't care. So WWE is wasting their time.

WWE wasting their time =/= WWE being partisan