Stone cold losing his edge?

[Guest]

Goodear, it's no good explaining anything to these "starks."  I never knew it was possible for one man to brainwash an entire people, aside from Adolf Hitler, but Bps21 has successfully brainwashed a good 70% of the board including L4W who is now Bps21 Jr.  While he may give off a good post here or there, his anti-HHH drones just spout off the latest rumor or conspiracy from Dave "Mr. Perfect" Meltzer.  I say if these guys here want to get themselves off on saying that HHH has held down five of the WWF's top wrestlers, so be it. They're basically just saying the wrestler they hate the most can out smart, out wit, and out manuever five of their favorites. Plus he's over as hell. I guess with their main argument gone they have to make up wild paranoid theories.

[Guest Shawn]

Austin is kinda losing it for me but he still has his moments. something will come up and 3:16 will be the hot toic once more.

 

As for Angle, I'm not a mark but damn. Give him a push!

 

Here's how you save it: Angel/Jericho - saving both of them from being burried and giving something for Beniot to make his return by running in.

 

Then give Edge to Brock Lesnar so he can be smacked around. Man how I do hate non-E&C Edge...

[Guest Anglesault]

Oh yes, I've been brainwashed. I wasn't able to see this by myself. I needed Bps' help to see the blatantly obvious. Or is it all a coincidence that all this started happening when Hunter came back and then again when the Clique reunited? Must I remind you that X-PAC is main eventing?

[Guest Shawn]

Must I remind you that X-PAC is main eventing?

Could you not? Seriously...

 

I'm not kidding.

[Guest Anglesault]

Plus he's over as hell.

Since when?

[Guest Anglesault]

Must I remind you that X-PAC is main eventing

Could you not? Seriously...

 

I'm not kidding.

Well Goodear and Best Buy Team Member don't think HHH is abusing his power. That just totally throws their theory out.

[Guest]

Goodear, it's no good explaining anything to these "starks."  I never knew it was possible for one man to brainwash an entire people, aside from Adolf Hitler, but Bps21 has successfully brainwashed a good 70% of the board including L4W who is now Bps21 Jr.  While he may give off a good post here or there, his anti-HHH drones just spout off the latest rumor or conspiracy from Dave "Mr. Perfect" Meltzer.  I say if these guys here want to get themselves off on saying that HHH has held down five of the WWF's top wrestlers, so be it. They're basically just saying the wrestler they hate the most can out smart, out wit, and out manuever five of their favorites. Plus he's over as hell. I guess with their main argument gone they have to make up wild paranoid theories.

It is blatently obvious that those guys have been de-pushed eliminated from the main event scene to make way for Hunter and the Clique.

 

I dont really include The Rock or Austin, I think they are both still main eventers.

 

But Angle, RVD, and Jericho were reaching a peak they all had tremendous heat and were extremely over. Until HHH returned and the real McMahon/Helmsley era began. The booking of the upper echelon of the WWF over the past few months has been in my opinion atroscious and wether im rehashing someone elses point or not Triple H over or not burried those three guys to sub main event mid card limbo.

 

Triple H, is not infact as over as some would like to think he is and not nearly as over as if correctly push Angle, Jericho and RVD could be. RVD's heat right now even stuck in the midcard myre is comprable to that of HHH and HHH is the unified champion.

 

Something is wrong here.

[Guest]

I agree that HHH is primarily responsible for the depush of certain wrestlers.  Banging the owners daughter can work wonders for your career.  

 

I have also heard that The Undertaker has a big hand in who can or cannot get pushed.  Supposedly he was very vocal about RVD's push, saying he hadn't paid his dues and was too stiff in the ring.  He even had a meeting with other wrestlers backstage to discuss his unsatisfaction with RVD.

 

Speaking of wrestlers who deserve more but aren't getting it (Angle, Jericho etc.), one of my favourites is Booker T.  This guy is loaded with talent and charisma, but he has been held back almost since his arrival in the WWF.  He could be a main eventer in no time, but he keeps getting booked in ways that kill his heat (jobbing clean to Edge, tag matches with Test, dozens of matches with The Big Show).  You can add him to the list of guys who deserve a break.

[Guest Goodear]

And Hunter's ringwork and mic work SUCKS, and he is the fifth most over face. When are they taking it from him?

 

Beats me... Backlash?  Hunter seemed to get a better reaction while he has heeling it up on Smackdown in my opinion, but thats just me.

 

RVD had a direction and a feud with Jericho up to January 7. Then it was Test and Goldust. You know, that January 7 date sounds familiar. Did something else happen that day?

 

That was a two show insta-feud that was never allowed to develop.  Why didn't RVD get a chance headline a PPV one-on-one against Austin, who they had actually built a feud with?  Why didn't RVD ever get revenge against Undertaker for trying to kill him?  Why did Kurt Angle's wife bury RVD on the internet?  Are the answers to all of these questions Triple H?

 

I believe he's the only one who goes out of his way to bury people in them, thouh. And he IS fucking the Booker, keep that in mind.

 

Shoot man I'm not in those meetings, they might be spending the whole time telling Patterson-is-gay jokes for all I know.  I must say though, the way you typed that it looked like Triple H was fucking Booker... ARGH MUST WASH BRAIN!

[Guest Goodear]

Oh yes, I've been brainwashed. I wasn't able to see this by myself. I needed Bps' help to see the blatantly obvious. Or is it all a coincidence that all this started happening when Hunter came back and then again when the Clique reunited? Must I remind you that X-PAC is main eventing?

X-Pac is doing jobs against Kane... that's main eventing?  I guess if you want to be technical about it sure because they were in the last match on RAW.  But shoot man, if multi-time WWF Champion Kurt Angle is a midcarder what are these guys?

[Guest Anglesault]

That was a two show insta-feud that was never allowed to develop

 

BECAUSE HUNTER CAME BACK.

 

Why didn't RVD get a chance headline a PPV one-on-one against Austin, who they had actually built a feud with?  

 

No clue

 

Why didn't RVD ever get revenge against Undertaker for trying to kill him?  

 

RVD WAS going to move on to bigger and better things (Jericho)

 

 

Why did Kurt Angle's wife bury RVD on the internet?  

 

She was a (rightfully) pissed. But that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

[Guest Anglesault]

Oh yes, I've been brainwashed. I wasn't able to see this by myself. I needed Bps' help to see the blatantly obvious. Or is it all a coincidence that all this started happening when Hunter came back and then again when the Clique reunited? Must I remind you that X-PAC is main eventing?

X-Pac is doing jobs against Kane... that's main eventing?  I guess if you want to be technical about it sure because they were in the last match on RAW.  But shoot man, if multi-time WWF Champion Kurt Angle is a midcarder what are these guys?

X-Pac has been main eventing the shows or fighting main eventers left and right. He HIMSELF said he was a min eventer on WWF.com (OOC interview)

 

And Kurt Angle is mid carding, X-Pac is main eventing. How hard is that to figure out?

[Guest Goodear]

to be fair, Austin's problems probably have more to do with his NwOld boycott that Hunter. But we all know what happened to Jericho. And this big main event tonight Goodear's excited about, why are they fighting tonight? Who gets to fight the great hunter.

Uhm, so its bad if wrestlers wrestle over who should fight for the WWF Title?  It was a good match by the way with a clean finish, although I would have sent Hogan out to make the save instead of Edge (although the way they did it made internal booking sense).  Its good to see Jericho pull out a fun match again, while working in his little dickheel moves (YEAH BABY, cocky kicks, and the goose steppin')

[Guest Shawn]

I really don't see a Hogan Title run any time soon but it's possible.

 

As for HHH's mic work? Tiring... It's always the same thing. I miss the DX days (first time around) when it was good.

 

ARE YOU READY??!?!??? I SAID... ARRRREEEE YOUUUU READDDDDYYY!!?!?!?!!??? Then for the thousands in attendance and the millions watching... LLLLLLLLETS GET READY TO SUCK IT!!!!!

 

HHH's ring work? I'm not gonna knock that. It's pretty good, I just take how they try to put him over so much with the "Intensity" thing and that gets old as well. At least I can still mark for it sometimes.

[Guest treble charged]

Is it better to be winning matches in the mid-card, or doing jobs in the main event?

[Guest Anglesault]

Is it better to be winning matches in the mid-card, or doing jobs in the main event?

doing jobs in the main. Why do you ask?

[Guest Goodear]

See NuSalt, but those could be all reasons why RVD isn't at the top of the card right now and they all don't have a thing to do with Triple H returning.  Maybe all the complaints from the workers (or from their wives) about RVD busting guys open made Vince rethink giving him a top spot.  Maybe Austin didn't want to go mano-a-mano with a midcarder (its been known to happen) and had the angle killed.  Maybe he didn't shake The Undertaker's hand right and he decided to to turn RVD's push into mush.  

 

As far as I know, Triple H has never even said the name RVD in his life.  How can I just assume Triple H is the reason for the depush when there are other more obvious reasons right there in my face?

[Guest treble charged]

Is it better to be winning matches in the mid-card, or doing jobs in the main event?

doing jobs in the main. Why do you ask?

 

Ok, I'm kind of getting confused here.  You'd rather have HHH, Austin, Rock, etc. kick Angle's ass every week rather than have him destroy Edge, Christian, Regal, etc. instead?

[Guest Anglesault]

Because the depush and the muted pops started January 7th. And didn't nlHh destroy RVD at the Rumble?

[Guest chirs3]

I don't think Stone Cold's losing his edge, he's just not getting much of a chance to show it. He was booked a little while back as a good comedy act (Royal Rumble Strategy? Entering the next years Rumble?), and then he entered a program with Hall... which is also kind of funny, in a sad sort of way...

 

That stunner to Flair was a welcome gesture, though. I'm hoping to see a return of the asskicking Austin...

[Guest Anglesault]

Is it better to be winning matches in the mid-card, or doing jobs in the main event?

doing jobs in the main. Why do you ask?

 

Ok, I'm kind of getting confused here.  You'd rather have HHH, Austin, Rock, etc. kick Angle's ass every week rather than have him destroy Edge, Christian, Regal, etc. instead?

Well for starters, you won't be jobbing in the main event every week or beating midcarders every week. And secondly, It's the main event! Any main eventer, even one that repeatedly loses, ranks over a mid carder.

[Guest Goodear]

Is it better to be winning matches in the mid-card, or doing jobs in the main event?

Depends on the guy.  Like it would probably be better for Brock Lesner to win in the midcard for a bit instead of jumping right up to the main event and jobbing there.  See, Brock needs to establish himself more as a threat since he's so new, and doing jobs to the top guys really doesn't do that unless you are someone who can look good in defeat too.  Someone like Edge could also do with some solid domination of the midcard before doing jobs to Angle or Jericho.  It would solidify that he is, yes, better than the Christians and DDPs of the world and should be moving up to the big boys soon.  Thats why Edge trading jobs with midcarders for life like Regal and Test was such a big mistake.

 

Other guys like Rock and Austin are so solidly entrenched in the uppercard that winning midcard feuds don't mean much of anything to them.  Seriously, what does beating Rhyno do for the Rock?  Most people expect it because Rock's up here and Rhyno's down there.  Jobbing to other main eventers though, builds heat for future matchups.

 

So hopefully, that clears things up.

[Guest treble charged]

Well for starters, you won't be jobbing in the main event every week or beating midcarders every week. And seconsly, It's the main eevnt! Any main eventer, even one that repeatedll loses, ranks over a mid carder.

 

Technically, I guess they'd rate above the midcarders, but who's more over right now?  RVD or the nWo.  The nWo are (arguably) main eventers, while RVD is a top midcarder.  I know that when I was a SmackDown a few weeks back, I popped louder for RVD then I did for the nWo (and don't tell give me any heel/face crap, I don't give a shit about that).

[Guest Some Guy]

Jesus does every thread have to turn into a HHH=Glass Ceiling argument?

 

But anyways back on the topic, Austin has been losing his edge since mid-98 IMO.  His matches have stayed great but his promos have really gone down hill from 97-early 98.  The heel turn helped but when he turned back the only new thing he did was "What?".  Maybe with only 1 show to do now he'll be able to develop new material.  Plus I really hope he starts working a more technical style with brawling mixed in, like his matches with Benoit and Angle.

[Guest Anglesault]

Well for starters, you won't be jobbing in the main event every week or beating midcarders every week. And seconsly, It's the main eevnt! Any main eventer, even one that repeatedll loses, ranks over a mid carder.

 

Technically, I guess they'd rate above the midcarders, but who's more over right now?  RVD or the nWo.  The nWo are (arguably) main eventers, while RVD is a top midcarder.  I know that when I was a SmackDown a few weeks back, I popped louder for RVD then I did for the nWo (and don't tell give me any heel/face crap, I don't give a shit about that).

So it doesn't matter to you that RVD's career is going nowhere fast after nlHh killed it?

[Guest treble charged]

So it doesn't matter to you that RVD's career is going nowhere fast after nlHh killed it?

 

I think (hope) that eventually, they'll come to their senses are realize what they have on their hands in RVD.  I went to a Raw in October (when he was arguably at his peak in terms of popularity) and a spontaneous "RVD" chant broke out during the intermission between Jakked and Raw.

They have to realize that it can't be all politics.

[Guest Human Fly]

Well there is one thing in our favor. Injuries. Nash is hurt, X-Pac is always getting hurt every 6 months, HHH has a cracked kneecap. Also the main event at Backlash. Hopefully if they set up a HHH - Hogan - Undertaker triple threat it will be awful and I fully expect it to be. With HHH's lack of mobility, Hogan's 90 yr old knees, and Taker's overall deterioration I would expect a match worse then Taker and Kane v. Kronic.  Meanwhile while RVD and Guererro tear it up (hopefully) as well as Jericho, and Angle doing what they are capable of we'll see some changes.

[Guest Anglesault]

Well there is one thing in our favor. Injuries. Nash is hurt, X-Pac is always getting hurt every 6 months, HHH has a cracked kneecap. Also the main event at Backlash. Hopefully if they set up a HHH - Hogan - Undertaker triple threat it will be awful and I fully expect it to be. With HHH's lack of mobility, Hogan's 90 yr old knees, and Taker's overall deterioration I would expect a match worse then Taker and Kane v. Kronic.  Meanwhile while RVD and Guererro tear it up (hopefully) as well as Jericho, and Angle doing what they are capable of we'll see some changes.

I guess we can hope.

[Guest]

>>>Jesus does every thread have to turn into a HHH=Glass Ceiling argument?<<<

 

Because this board is rife with stupid marks.

[Guest Shaved Bear]

i think this can be solved via one action:

tar and feather HHH