EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 17, 2003 I've never seen why baseball needs a salary cap. This postseason has proved that baseball is operating just fine without one. I'd like to hear the arguments for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted October 17, 2003 No cap. Everytime a team like the Mets pays out a bunch of money to a free agent...it turns out funny. Dodgers spend a ton...where were they this postseason? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted October 17, 2003 Like i said in the other thread... It's not the money it's the players. NYY spends a lot of money yes but they don't use that money on Derek Bell or Mo Vaugh. Small Market teams shown you can compete with the right players and Big Market teams tend to suck as well... Yankees make big market teams look like they always win when the fact is they usally suck because they buy name players and not the right players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted October 17, 2003 Well since no one else has tried to sell you on the cap let me see. :shakes fist: YANKEES ARE THE EVIL EMPIRE! Sorry, I can't do it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gert T 0 Report post Posted October 17, 2003 Agreed, plus the culture of the owners would not change, there should have to be a reasonable salary floor as it was suggested in the other thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted October 17, 2003 Maybe this would be an easier sell if it weren't coming off of 2 weeks of the most intense baseball in years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted October 17, 2003 Because a team like the Yankees spends twice as much as everybody else and goes to the World Series again and again. Can you imagine if the NFL had no salary cap and the Redskins went to 6 of the next 8 WS? The other teams aren't even that bad. It is all the Yankees. The amount that they are paying that team is rediculous. Sports need parity these days to survive. People get tired of seeing the same teams win all the time. Baseball ratings and attendance has plummetted since the 80s and early 90s, when teams like Kansas City, Minnesota, Oakland, Detroit and others had a shot. MLB needs to change or the league will die, and since that would basically be the end of a national baseball league in North America, it is not something I want to see. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smell the ratings!!! Report post Posted October 17, 2003 I think the cap is great in football, but baseball is a completly different situation in regards to money and owners. I think the luxury tax is the best way to go for baseball. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted October 17, 2003 "Because a team like the Yankees spends twice as much as everybody else " Can you try to use a fact at least long enough so as to not debunk your entire point? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted October 17, 2003 Actually, you are right. I just found the rule that stated that other teams weren't allowed to spend money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted October 17, 2003 Ok. Some of us hate the idea of a cap, and some of us hate the current condition of the game. Let's make a compromise. A lifelong ban of George Steinbrenner from Major League Baseball. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted October 17, 2003 Once again, You can throw all the money around you want, but in the end it's all about WHO they sign... L.A, Mets, Baltimore spend near the same amount but because of weak coaching or bad management they won't win... Yankees find the right players and the real key players were home bred...They find the right role players (Boone)... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 17, 2003 The Yankees had a huge three year run, built off their farm system. Over the last three years, they haven't dominated. They've been in highly competitive games. Unless the Yankees are winning every series in 4-5 games, I don't see the problem there. And I truly don't believe that a team can survive on free agents. Besides, the Yankees lose Clemens after this year. Pettitte's a free agent, and Wells is 40. They may run into problems yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smell the ratings!!! Report post Posted October 17, 2003 I like the Steinbrenner ban idea Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of bps21 0 Report post Posted October 17, 2003 Ok. Some of us hate the idea of a cap, and some of us hate the current condition of the game. Let's make a compromise. A lifelong ban of George Steinbrenner from Major League Baseball. That's fine with me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted October 17, 2003 Hey, awesome, the small market teams can compete? How many series have they won in the last 10 years? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 17, 2003 As for the yankees spending, there's NOTHING preventing other teams from using the same business model. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smell the ratings!!! Report post Posted October 17, 2003 As for the yankees spending, there's NOTHING preventing other teams from using the same business model. except that they don't have as much money? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 17, 2003 How many series have they won in the last 10 years? How about this one. How many series have the other 4 of the top 5 large payroll teams have won the World Series? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted October 17, 2003 Hey, awesome, the small market teams can compete? How many series have they won in the last 10 years? Well, let's see. Arizona & Florida don't count because those championships were bought, and the Angels are owned by Disney, so they probably shouldn't count either. I will go with 0. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted October 17, 2003 As for the yankees spending, there's NOTHING preventing other teams from using the same business model. except that they don't have as much money? Why do the Yankees have more money? And if its New York, then why don't the Mets have this money? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted October 17, 2003 What is there to hate about the current condition of the game? It has been shown that a properly managed organization can be competitive no matter what they spend. I do think though, if a salary floor was implemented that it would restrict teams like the Yankees more, because there would be more teams in the market for players. And I don't think player's salaries would rise too much, because the owners seem to be making a concerted effort to keep contracts down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted October 17, 2003 Angels, Diamondbacks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted October 17, 2003 As for the yankees spending, there's NOTHING preventing other teams from using the same business model. except that they don't have as much money? Hate to tell you but just everyowner is rich as or more then Georgie boy... Unlike George, they choose to fatten their wallets instead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted October 17, 2003 As for the yankees spending, there's NOTHING preventing other teams from using the same business model. except that they don't have as much money? Why do the Yankees have more money? And if its New York, then why don't the Mets have this money? THEY DO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Choken One Report post Posted October 17, 2003 As for the yankees spending, there's NOTHING preventing other teams from using the same business model. except that they don't have as much money? Why do the Yankees have more money? And if its New York, then why don't the Mets have this money? They do...They have a shit for brains GM and Owner who signed the WRONG people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted October 17, 2003 As for the yankees spending, there's NOTHING preventing other teams from using the same business model. except that they don't have as much money? Don't forget the dead Canadian dollar. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted October 17, 2003 Disney was such a force as Angels owner that they put no money into the team and sold it off the year after a title. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smell the ratings!!! Report post Posted October 17, 2003 Why do the Yankees have more money? i have no idea to be honest, I'm not a big baseball guy. But let's try and skip the 4 pages where you say the other teams have as much money as the Yankees. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gert T 0 Report post Posted October 17, 2003 As for the yankees spending, there's NOTHING preventing other teams from using the same business model. except that they don't have as much money? Look up how much some of these owners are worth before you stand by that statement. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
