the jericho/trish angle

[Guest robvandam420]

First of all what the hell did you just say? I can barely read half of it.....spell checker my friend...spell checker.

Second of all heel Austin got cheered because they had never seen anything like it before. He was a badass that defied all authority...and they got behind that. Nowadays ever main event heel is like that....who cares?

Oh and once again....the match would not draw any heat. Nobody would care.

well your entitled to your opinion. the only thing you probably do care about is 4* + matches and if thats the case im not surprised. puro in america is dead.

[Damaramu 0]

First of all what the hell did you just say? I can barely read half of it.....spell checker my friend...spell checker.

Second of all heel Austin got cheered because they had never seen anything like it before. He was a badass that defied all authority...and they got behind that. Nowadays ever main event heel is like that....who cares?

Oh and once again....the match would not draw any heat. Nobody would care.

well your entitled to your opinion. the only thing you probably do care about is 4* + matches and if thats the case im not surprised. puro in america is dead.

Yet the crap you are promoting doesn't draw ratings worth shit. Yeah that makes sense.

And what's that? Puro in America? There never has been Puro in America. What you just said makes no sense.

[Guest Boo_Bradley]

Heel Austin didn't fight any other Heels (RVD was a tweener, if not a all out face) So we don't know how the crowd would've responded to heel Austin vs Heel

[Guest robvandam420]

First of all what the hell did you just say? I can barely read half of it.....spell checker my friend...spell checker.

Second of all heel Austin got cheered because they had never seen anything like it before. He was a badass that defied all authority...and they got behind that. Nowadays ever main event heel is like that....who cares?

Oh and once again....the match would not draw any heat. Nobody would care.

well your entitled to your opinion. the only thing you probably do care about is 4* + matches and if thats the case im not surprised. puro in america is dead.

Yet the crap you are promoting doesn't draw ratings worth shit. Yeah that makes sense.

And what's that? Puro in America? There never has been Puro in America. What you just said makes no sense.

how would you know what draws ratings? you seem to like storys that well, you would like. there are millions of viewers, and they dont represent the smark subculture.

[Damaramu 0]

First of all what the hell did you just say? I can barely read half of it.....spell checker my friend...spell checker.

Second of all heel Austin got cheered because they had never seen anything like it before. He was a badass that defied all authority...and they got behind that. Nowadays ever main event heel is like that....who cares?

Oh and once again....the match would not draw any heat. Nobody would care.

well your entitled to your opinion. the only thing you probably do care about is 4* + matches and if thats the case im not surprised. puro in america is dead.

Yet the crap you are promoting doesn't draw ratings worth shit. Yeah that makes sense.

And what's that? Puro in America? There never has been Puro in America. What you just said makes no sense.

how would you know what draws ratings? you seem to like storys that well, you would like. there are millions of viewers, and they dont represent the smark subculture.

What!? I know this crap doesn't draw ratings! Because it's not! So actually I would know more about what draws ratings than you since you're trying to actually write this shit and get it on air. And it doesn't draw ratings now...so why would it when you're writing the same damn thing? Oh that's right...it wouldn't.

[Guest robvandam420]

First of all what the hell did you just say? I can barely read half of it.....spell checker my friend...spell checker.

Second of all heel Austin got cheered because they had never seen anything like it before. He was a badass that defied all authority...and they got behind that. Nowadays ever main event heel is like that....who cares?

Oh and once again....the match would not draw any heat. Nobody would care.

well your entitled to your opinion. the only thing you probably do care about is 4* + matches and if thats the case im not surprised. puro in america is dead.

Yet the crap you are promoting doesn't draw ratings worth shit. Yeah that makes sense.

And what's that? Puro in America? There never has been Puro in America. What you just said makes no sense.

you want puro obviously. you think the focal point of a fued should be the matches. well the average viewer doesn't care about that enough to buy a ppv. they need something juicy. why the hell do you think vince books himself in matches with undertaker, stephanie, and hogan? because drama draws. vince knows better than you, trust me.

[HarleyQuinn 0]

Let's look at classic examples...

 

Austin vs Bret was based on pure hatred and helped get fans interested in the WWF/E

 

DX vs NOD was based on hatred and seeing who the better stable was. Feuds that were sub-categoried in this was HHH vs Rock(Over the IC Title) and X-Pac vs D'Lo(Euro Title)

 

That's just two feuds that were fairly recent(In the late 90's) during the WWF/E's slow swing upwards

[Damaramu 0]

First of all what the hell did you just say? I can barely read half of it.....spell checker my friend...spell checker.

Second of all heel Austin got cheered because they had never seen anything like it before. He was a badass that defied all authority...and they got behind that. Nowadays ever main event heel is like that....who cares?

Oh and once again....the match would not draw any heat. Nobody would care.

well your entitled to your opinion. the only thing you probably do care about is 4* + matches and if thats the case im not surprised. puro in america is dead.

Yet the crap you are promoting doesn't draw ratings worth shit. Yeah that makes sense.

And what's that? Puro in America? There never has been Puro in America. What you just said makes no sense.

you want puro obviously. you think the focal point of a fued should be the matches. well the average viewer doesn't care about that enough to buy a ppv. they need something juicy. why the hell do you think vince books himself in matches with undertaker, stephanie, and hogan? because drama draws. vince knows better than you, trust me.

THEN WHY ISN'T IT DRAWING!?!?!?!

See you keep saying "They don't want what you want. They want this." Well guess what? They've been giving us this for the past 3 years and NOBODY CARES! It's not drawing at all!

Oh and guess what else? What I want...storylines about wrestling and wrestling matches did draw. It drew in 2000. The storylines made sense and there was plenty of wrestling. Then they went back to Russo-wannabe crash TV. And *SHOCK* it doesn't draw!

[Guest robvandam420]

First of all what the hell did you just say? I can barely read half of it.....spell checker my friend...spell checker.

Second of all heel Austin got cheered because they had never seen anything like it before. He was a badass that defied all authority...and they got behind that. Nowadays ever main event heel is like that....who cares?

Oh and once again....the match would not draw any heat. Nobody would care.

well your entitled to your opinion. the only thing you probably do care about is 4* + matches and if thats the case im not surprised. puro in america is dead.

Yet the crap you are promoting doesn't draw ratings worth shit. Yeah that makes sense.

And what's that? Puro in America? There never has been Puro in America. What you just said makes no sense.

how would you know what draws ratings? you seem to like storys that well, you would like. there are millions of viewers, and they dont represent the smark subculture.

What!? I know this crap doesn't draw ratings! Because it's not! So actually I would know more about what draws ratings than you since you're trying to actually write this shit and get it on air. And it doesn't draw ratings now...so why would it when you're writing the same damn thing? Oh that's right...it wouldn't.

and what makes you so sure that if vince abandoned his current direction and changed to something more suited to you that the ratings would rise? the reason they have shows and fueds like this is to compete with sitcoms and such. having simple fueds centered around matches would lose viewers. no one cares enough about a fake match. you need to add suspense and entertainment value to it.

[Guest Fook]

First of all what the hell did you just say? I can barely read half of it.....spell checker my friend...spell checker.

Second of all heel Austin got cheered because they had never seen anything like it before. He was a badass that defied all authority...and they got behind that. Nowadays ever main event heel is like that....who cares?

Oh and once again....the match would not draw any heat. Nobody would care.

well your entitled to your opinion. the only thing you probably do care about is 4* + matches and if thats the case im not surprised. puro in america is dead.

Yet the crap you are promoting doesn't draw ratings worth shit. Yeah that makes sense.

And what's that? Puro in America? There never has been Puro in America. What you just said makes no sense.

you want puro obviously. you think the focal point of a fued should be the matches. well the average viewer doesn't care about that enough to buy a ppv. they need something juicy. why the hell do you think vince books himself in matches with undertaker, stephanie, and hogan? because drama draws. vince knows better than you, trust me.

Yeah, Vince does draw doesn't he?

 

 

I mean, the buyrate for his WM match with Hogan was just through the roof, right?

[Damaramu 0]

First of all what the hell did you just say? I can barely read half of it.....spell checker my friend...spell checker.

Second of all heel Austin got cheered because they had never seen anything like it before. He was a badass that defied all authority...and they got behind that. Nowadays ever main event heel is like that....who cares?

Oh and once again....the match would not draw any heat. Nobody would care.

well your entitled to your opinion. the only thing you probably do care about is 4* + matches and if thats the case im not surprised. puro in america is dead.

Yet the crap you are promoting doesn't draw ratings worth shit. Yeah that makes sense.

And what's that? Puro in America? There never has been Puro in America. What you just said makes no sense.

how would you know what draws ratings? you seem to like storys that well, you would like. there are millions of viewers, and they dont represent the smark subculture.

What!? I know this crap doesn't draw ratings! Because it's not! So actually I would know more about what draws ratings than you since you're trying to actually write this shit and get it on air. And it doesn't draw ratings now...so why would it when you're writing the same damn thing? Oh that's right...it wouldn't.

and what makes you so sure that if vince abandoned his current direction and changed to something more suited to you that the ratings would rise? the reason they have shows and fueds like this is to compete with sitcoms and such. having simple fueds centered around matches would lose viewers. no one cares enough about a fake match. you need to add suspense and entertainment value to it.

You're still not defending you're point of view well. We are telling you that this crap that you are promoting does not draw. Yet you still keep bringing it up as what works when it OBVIOUSLY does not work.

[HarleyQuinn 0]

and what makes you so sure that if vince abandoned his current direction and changed to something more suited to you that the ratings would rise? the reason they have shows and fueds like this is to compete with sitcoms and such. having simple fueds centered around matches would lose viewers. no one cares enough about a fake match. you need to add suspense and entertainment value to it.

Dude!! HATRED IS ENOUGH TO ADD SUSPENSE! Fucking christ, tell me that two guys who genuinely hate each other doesn't draw? Name me one instance where it didn't draw a little at least? The biggest feuds(Rock vs Austin, HHH vs Rock, Bret vs Austin, Austin vs Vince) were ALL based around hate and the fact that they HATED one another...

[Guest robvandam420]

and dont even try to tell me that when the rock came back to raw that he didn't entertain the shit out of you. his method was not simple fueds. it was comedy. and it was enjoyed. you need things like that to compete with the others shows, as i have said.

[Guest Fook]

and what makes you so sure that if vince abandoned his current direction and changed to something more suited to you that the ratings would rise? the reason they have shows and fueds like this is to compete with sitcoms and such. having simple fueds centered around matches would lose viewers. no one cares enough about a fake match. you need to add suspense and entertainment value to it.

And that's another problem right there.

 

Vince shouldn't be trying to "compete with sitcoms and such".

 

Wrestling is not a sitcom. Period.

 

So don't present it as one. Present it as something different. They'll never be able to offer what a sitcom can, so they need to concentrate on being an alternative, not a substitute.

[Guest robvandam420]

and what makes you so sure that if vince abandoned his current direction and changed to something more suited to you that the ratings would rise? the reason they have shows and fueds like this is to compete with sitcoms and such. having simple fueds centered around matches would lose viewers. no one cares enough about a fake match. you need to add suspense and entertainment value to it.

Dude!! HATRED IS ENOUGH TO ADD SUSPENSE! Fucking christ, tell me that two guys who genuinely hate each other doesn't draw? Name me one instance where it didn't draw a little at least? The biggest feuds(Rock vs Austin, HHH vs Rock, Bret vs Austin, Austin vs Vince) were ALL based around hate and the fact that they HATED one another...

i agree, those fueds were good. but it gets stale eventually. you need to have variety.

[chaosrage 0]

First of all what the hell did you just say? I can barely read half of it.....spell checker my friend...spell checker.

Second of all heel Austin got cheered because they had never seen anything like it before. He was a badass that defied all authority...and they got behind that. Nowadays ever main event heel is like that....who cares?

Oh and once again....the match would not draw any heat. Nobody would care.

well your entitled to your opinion. the only thing you probably do care about is 4* + matches and if thats the case im not surprised. puro in america is dead.

Yet the crap you are promoting doesn't draw ratings worth shit. Yeah that makes sense.

And what's that? Puro in America? There never has been Puro in America. What you just said makes no sense.

how would you know what draws ratings? you seem to like storys that well, you would like. there are millions of viewers, and they dont represent the smark subculture.

What!? I know this crap doesn't draw ratings! Because it's not! So actually I would know more about what draws ratings than you since you're trying to actually write this shit and get it on air. And it doesn't draw ratings now...so why would it when you're writing the same damn thing? Oh that's right...it wouldn't.

and what makes you so sure that if vince abandoned his current direction and changed to something more suited to you that the ratings would rise?

Because the current direction made it fall?

[HarleyQuinn 0]

and the variety comes in the minor things...Rock vs Austin, both "needed" that World Title. HHH and Rock both wanted to be better then the other. Austin wanted to get rid of the aging Bret. The variety is made up in the simple backstories...they don't need necrophilia to makeup the "variety" behind the feud.

[chaosrage 0]

if you disagree, fine. what im saying is that if you think this shit does'nt draw... the only way you can prove me wrong is if they change the companys direction and go back to simple fueds. and have it draw. maybe we would watch it, but alot of marks that i know would not care. they want to be surprised.

Seriously, are you Vince Russo?

[Guest robvandam420]

First of all what the hell did you just say? I can barely read half of it.....spell checker my friend...spell checker.

Second of all heel Austin got cheered because they had never seen anything like it before. He was a badass that defied all authority...and they got behind that. Nowadays ever main event heel is like that....who cares?

Oh and once again....the match would not draw any heat. Nobody would care.

well your entitled to your opinion. the only thing you probably do care about is 4* + matches and if thats the case im not surprised. puro in america is dead.

Yet the crap you are promoting doesn't draw ratings worth shit. Yeah that makes sense.

And what's that? Puro in America? There never has been Puro in America. What you just said makes no sense.

how would you know what draws ratings? you seem to like storys that well, you would like. there are millions of viewers, and they dont represent the smark subculture.

What!? I know this crap doesn't draw ratings! Because it's not! So actually I would know more about what draws ratings than you since you're trying to actually write this shit and get it on air. And it doesn't draw ratings now...so why would it when you're writing the same damn thing? Oh that's right...it wouldn't.

and what makes you so sure that if vince abandoned his current direction and changed to something more suited to you that the ratings would rise? the reason they have shows and fueds like this is to compete with sitcoms and such. having simple fueds centered around matches would lose viewers. no one cares enough about a fake match. you need to add suspense and entertainment value to it.

You're still not defending you're point of view well. We are telling you that this crap that you are promoting does not draw. Yet you still keep bringing it up as what works when it OBVIOUSLY does not work.

if you disagree, fine. what im saying is that if you think this shit does'nt draw... the only way you can prove me wrong is if they change the companys direction and go back to simple fueds. and have it draw. maybe we would watch it, but alot of marks that i know would not care. they want to be surprised. surprises dont come without suspense. suspense doesn't come without complexity.

[Guest robvandam420]

and what makes you so sure that if vince abandoned his current direction and changed to something more suited to you that the ratings would rise? the reason they have shows and fueds like this is to compete with sitcoms and such. having simple fueds centered around matches would lose viewers. no one cares enough about a fake match. you need to add suspense and entertainment value to it.

And that's another problem right there.

 

Vince shouldn't be trying to "compete with sitcoms and such".

 

Wrestling is not a sitcom. Period.

 

So don't present it as one. Present it as something different. They'll never be able to offer what a sitcom can, so they need to concentrate on being an alternative, not a substitute.

vince wants as many viewers as he can get. the man is right guys, sorry.

[Guest robvandam420]

and the variety comes in the minor things...Rock vs Austin, both "needed" that World Title. HHH and Rock both wanted to be better then the other. Austin wanted to get rid of the aging Bret. The variety is made up in the simple backstories...they don't need necrophilia to makeup the "variety" behind the feud.

im no proponent of the necrophelia angle. if i was on the team i wouldn't have raised my hand for that shit. maybe they could have gotten katie vicks mom on the show and had her chew out kane while cryin or something. thats what i would have suggested.

[LaParkaYourCar 0]

First of all what the hell did you just say? I can barely read half of it.....spell checker my friend...spell checker.

Second of all heel Austin got cheered because they had never seen anything like it before. He was a badass that defied all authority...and they got behind that. Nowadays ever main event heel is like that....who cares?

Oh and once again....the match would not draw any heat. Nobody would care.

well your entitled to your opinion. the only thing you probably do care about is 4* + matches and if thats the case im not surprised. puro in america is dead.

Yet the crap you are promoting doesn't draw ratings worth shit. Yeah that makes sense.

And what's that? Puro in America? There never has been Puro in America. What you just said makes no sense.

how would you know what draws ratings? you seem to like storys that well, you would like. there are millions of viewers, and they dont represent the smark subculture.

What!? I know this crap doesn't draw ratings! Because it's not! So actually I would know more about what draws ratings than you since you're trying to actually write this shit and get it on air. And it doesn't draw ratings now...so why would it when you're writing the same damn thing? Oh that's right...it wouldn't.

and what makes you so sure that if vince abandoned his current direction and changed to something more suited to you that the ratings would rise? the reason they have shows and fueds like this is to compete with sitcoms and such. having simple fueds centered around matches would lose viewers. no one cares enough about a fake match. you need to add suspense and entertainment value to it.

And you're completely missing our point. You say the fans want drama...I agree. But what WWE is putting on right now isn't dramatic at all. It's stupid.

 

Every example we have given of great feuds have been dramatic. So much more dramatic than what's being put on now. So don't try and tell us we're pushing for boring feuds with no drama because you're just not listening.

[Guest robvandam420]

and the variety comes in the minor things...Rock vs Austin, both "needed" that World Title. HHH and Rock both wanted to be better then the other. Austin wanted to get rid of the aging Bret. The variety is made up in the simple backstories...they don't need necrophilia to makeup the "variety" behind the feud.

yeah but none of these backstories get people talking. good for us, bad for business.

[Guest Boo_Bradley]

And so ends another circular argument that led to no one changing their opinions

 

*Hugs TSM*

[Guest robvandam420]

First of all what the hell did you just say? I can barely read half of it.....spell checker my friend...spell checker.

Second of all heel Austin got cheered because they had never seen anything like it before. He was a badass that defied all authority...and they got behind that. Nowadays ever main event heel is like that....who cares?

Oh and once again....the match would not draw any heat. Nobody would care.

well your entitled to your opinion. the only thing you probably do care about is 4* + matches and if thats the case im not surprised. puro in america is dead.

Yet the crap you are promoting doesn't draw ratings worth shit. Yeah that makes sense.

And what's that? Puro in America? There never has been Puro in America. What you just said makes no sense.

how would you know what draws ratings? you seem to like storys that well, you would like. there are millions of viewers, and they dont represent the smark subculture.

What!? I know this crap doesn't draw ratings! Because it's not! So actually I would know more about what draws ratings than you since you're trying to actually write this shit and get it on air. And it doesn't draw ratings now...so why would it when you're writing the same damn thing? Oh that's right...it wouldn't.

and what makes you so sure that if vince abandoned his current direction and changed to something more suited to you that the ratings would rise? the reason they have shows and fueds like this is to compete with sitcoms and such. having simple fueds centered around matches would lose viewers. no one cares enough about a fake match. you need to add suspense and entertainment value to it.

And you're completely missing our point. You say the fans want drama...I agree. But what WWE is putting on right now isn't dramatic at all. It's stupid.

 

Every example we have given of great feuds have been dramatic. So much more dramatic than what's being put on now. So don't try and tell us we're pushing for boring feuds with no drama because you're just not listening.

their direction is good, they just dont write the best stories. if i would have gotten the job you guys might have enjoyed it.

[HarleyQuinn 0]

the backstories themselves don't need to get people talking though, the main thing is the results of the backstories! Bret vs Austin, Austin wanted to get rid of Bret so he started dismantling Bret at every opportunity to get him out of the WWF which in turn bought forth the great Canada vs USA angle(Bret detested Austin to the point where he turned on the US as well)

[Guest robvandam420]

First of all what the hell did you just say? I can barely read half of it.....spell checker my friend...spell checker.

Second of all heel Austin got cheered because they had never seen anything like it before. He was a badass that defied all authority...and they got behind that. Nowadays ever main event heel is like that....who cares?

Oh and once again....the match would not draw any heat. Nobody would care.

well your entitled to your opinion. the only thing you probably do care about is 4* + matches and if thats the case im not surprised. puro in america is dead.

Yet the crap you are promoting doesn't draw ratings worth shit. Yeah that makes sense.

And what's that? Puro in America? There never has been Puro in America. What you just said makes no sense.

how would you know what draws ratings? you seem to like storys that well, you would like. there are millions of viewers, and they dont represent the smark subculture.

What!? I know this crap doesn't draw ratings! Because it's not! So actually I would know more about what draws ratings than you since you're trying to actually write this shit and get it on air. And it doesn't draw ratings now...so why would it when you're writing the same damn thing? Oh that's right...it wouldn't.

and what makes you so sure that if vince abandoned his current direction and changed to something more suited to you that the ratings would rise? the reason they have shows and fueds like this is to compete with sitcoms and such. having simple fueds centered around matches would lose viewers. no one cares enough about a fake match. you need to add suspense and entertainment value to it.

And you're completely missing our point. You say the fans want drama...I agree. But what WWE is putting on right now isn't dramatic at all. It's stupid.

 

Every example we have given of great feuds have been dramatic. So much more dramatic than what's being put on now. So don't try and tell us we're pushing for boring feuds with no drama because you're just not listening.

dramatic to us. but the average fan doesn't care enough about real wrestling to be caught up. thats why vince hires soap writers. they know how to hook people.

[Guest robvandam420]

the backstories themselves don't need to get people talking though, the main thing is the results of the backstories! Bret vs Austin, Austin wanted to get rid of Bret so he started dismantling Bret at every opportunity to get him out of the WWF which in turn bought forth the great Canada vs USA angle(Bret detested Austin to the point where he turned on the US as well)

yes that was a great fued. times have changed though. crash tv is the way to go. they just aren't doing it the way it should be done. if i felt i had nothing to contribute, i would not have applied in the first place.

[chaosrage 0]

dramatic to us. but the average fan doesn't care enough about real wrestling to be caught up. thats why vince hires soap writers. they know how to hook people.

And they're certainly doing a good job of that. Because you know ratings are so much better than they were in 98-00.

[Guest Boo_Bradley]

3 minute wrestling bouts are the way to go? *sobs for my grandchildren*