Brock vs kurt

[Guest muzanisa]

There was a throwaway statement in this weeks Observer about Kurt realising how much his "real" wrestling skills have deterioated since he had a skirmish with Brock two weeks back.

Anyone know anything about this?

[Guest]

Two weeks back? Did I miss something again? Last time I read something about those two "fighting" was back on January 7th @ MSG when TRiple H returned.

[Guest The Fett]

I remember a while back during a Raw, there were a few reports that Lesner and Angle had a "real" olympic style wrestling match in the backstage. I guess this mean Lesner got the better of Angle.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

i *think* that angle and brock had a backstage scuffle

[Guest]

Just from looking at Brock, I'd assume he could kill Kurt in a shoot fight, but who knows. I know Angle is tough as nails.

[Guest Anglesault]

There was some form of skirmish on January 7

[Guest]

Just from looking at Brock, I'd assume he could kill Kurt in a shoot fight, but who knows. I know Angle is tough as nails.

 

So you judge by a look? Size doesn't always matter in a shoot fight. Or are you looking at him by his "look?" Hell, Austin looks tough, do you really think he could beat Angle, Brock, Big Show, RVD, Blackman or even Farrooq in a real fight? Come on now. Acually, I think Brock looks a little dorky trying to do the Goldberg like Snorts and Snears. Then again, I hate Goldberg so maybe that's why?

[Guest]

I don't judge how tough a wrestler is by how they look, but Brock DOES look tough. As I said, I know Kurt is very tough, but since Brock is also a former olympic wrestler, I'm sure he can handle himself as well.

 

Btw, for years I have been hearing the toughest wrestler is Meng/Haku. They say he is one guy no one would want to shoot with.

[Guest Ignatz Belzner]

Brock wasn't an Olympic competitor; he was NCAA champion in his weight class, though.

 

Speaking of which, are Angle and Lesnar in the same weight class?  Because it sure looks like Lesnar's got a good 40 or 50 pounds on Angle...I don't care how good you are, when you're up against someone as big and fast as Lesnar, speed won't be enough to win, at least in a Greco-Roman match.

 

Though for some reason I imagine Angle's probably a smarter wrestler

[Guest]

Like I said, Size doesn't always matter. You can take someone like Brock and Stick him in there with a RVD who's like a Black Belt in 12 Different things and who has does some shoot stuff and he could get his ass kicked. Now, I'm not saying RVD could beat Brock, but if he did in a real shoot fight I wouldn't be shocked.

[Guest Brian]

Brock's at least a weight class on Kurt.

[Guest Sadyv]

Brock would eat RVD alive. To big, to strong, and to good a wrestler.

 

Angle beat Brock in a friendly match from what I heard. Angle is a far better amatuer wrestler than Brock, as Angle kept wrestling for years after school, and Brock quit to become a pro wrestler.

 

Brock relied on his strength alot to win, and when he wrestled guys who could match him physically he folded. Still tough, but he needed a couple more years before he starting reaching his potential.

 

Meng was invited to participate in the first UFC, but management w0uldn't let him. Good idea, as the guy who would have kicked his ass was a skinny, pasty looking Dutch Neo-Nazi. Wouldn't have made the wrestlers look to good.

[Guest]

Brock would eat RVD alive. To big, to strong, and to good a wrestler.

Thanks Brock's Mum....

 

RVD is skilled, but i do agree that Lesnar has the power and muscle to take him down, however i don't think either of them are good WRESTLERS.

[Guest Ace309]

Yeah, Brock wrestled at 285 in NCAAs. Kurt competed in the Olympics at 220. I'd say they've both put on at least 15-20 pounds of muscle since their respective wins, but Brock's still much taller and heavier than Kurt.

 

Kurt probably has much better technique than Brock, and part of being a wrestler is out-techniquing guys who are that much bigger than you. I seem to remember an offhand comment about Kurt holding his own with Bruce Baumgartner, who was probably at least 310 during the off-season.

[Guest JerryDrake]

Angle in his book, said he use beat people Brock's size.

[Guest Kramerica]

Screw the both of them.  El Dandy, the Cruiser Weight Bully, can beat both of them, while attending to his well kept hair.

[Guest Just call me Dan]

^ Good Stuff

[Guest Sadyv]

Brock would eat RVD alive. To big, to strong, and to good a wrestler.

Thanks Brock's Mum....

 

RVD is skilled, but i do agree that Lesnar has the power and muscle to take him down, however i don't think either of them are good WRESTLERS.

Brock not a good wrestler?

 

He won the NCAA championships in 2000 and was the runner up in 1999, losing to Stephen Neal.

 

Brock is a better wrestler than everyone except for Angle on the entire WWF roster.

 

Angle was a amazing wrestler, I don't doubt he could hang (not beat) Baumgartner.

 

Mark Schultz took Bruce down a few times in practice to.

[Guest art_vandelay]

I think he means they aren't good PRO wrestlers.

[Guest goodhelmet]

well, i've personally never seen Brock wrestle a match so i'll reserve judgment on him until his first 15 minute match.

[Guest Ace309]

Really?

 

You're going to wait that long?

 

But I don't think he'll tour Japan for YEARS.

[Guest goodhelmet]

"Really?

 

You're going to wait that long?

 

But I don't think he'll tour Japan for YEARS."

 

LOL. Alright. his first ten minute match. even Taker gets a couple of those.

[Guest Special K]

Just on the subject of shooting, any good wrestler grappler (Brock) can beat a good striker (RVD) unless they're on a serious off day. I would like to see Angle get a knowledge of submissions and wreak some havoc in shootfighting, but on second thought, I'd rather see him wrestle in the WWF, so scratch that.

    One thing to note is that if Angle and Lesnar did try to have a friendly exhibition match, not only is Lesnar bigger, he's been out of Greco-Roman for a far lesser time than our Olympic Champion, so I'd have to go for him for the duke. If you've ever read about amateur wrestling training, it's pretty much the most arduous training in the world, so we can bet that although Angle's in GREAT shape, his cardio probably isn't near as good as it was back in the Olympics. Pro wrestlers don't get nearly the time to trade like that, as they are always travelling, and nursing sore body parts.

[Guest Human Fly]

A couple weeks ago the Observer had something on their page about a wrestler who had won the NCAA's 4 years in a row. Does anyone know if the WWF has any intention of trying to sign him or at least talking to him? So far all of the amateur wrestlers that they've brought in have been really good. If this guys that good it'd be interesting to se what he could do .

[Guest]

Kramerica said: Screw the both of them.  El Dandy, the Cruiser Weight Bully, can beat both of them, while attending to his well kept hair.

 

ROFL

[Guest Special K]

But I don't know if Dandy's hair can compete with Silver King's deceptively large build....

[Guest Nevermortal]

Hasn't Silver King been upgraded to Golden King yet?

[Guest Kramerica]

But I don't know if Dandy's hair can compete with Silver King's deceptively large build....

Nothing compares to Blitzkrieg's boner.

[Guest Ace309]

Signing 4-time undefeated NCAA champion Cael Sanderson would be a REALLY bad move on the WWF's part, imho.

 

Sanderson has a very good, very exciting style for the folkstyle competition that takes place in the NCAAs. However, he doesn't have a big throwing style like Angle, and he's probably around 200 pounds with no high spots. He wouldn't be exciting to watch for the average WWF fan, he's not much of a talker and... forgive me, I don't want to sound cocky... but he's just not very good-looking.

 

He's also probably completely uninterested, at least until he gets his Olympic gold medal and World Championship.

 

Also, nit-pick: Lots of folks seem to use "Greco-Roman" whenever they mean amateur wrestling. There are three styles of amateur wrestling practiced in the United States, and Greco-Roman is probably the least popular. High schools and colleges do folkstyle, most serious American wrestlers do freestyle because it's closer to freestyle, and relatively few do Greco-Roman. Brock never did Greco, saying it bored him.

[Guest]

Yes, smaller competitors often can beat larger opponents in amatuer wrestling. Last year in at my section tournament I saw ~220 Lb. Jon May(sophomore) pick up ~280 lb. Andy Tidwell Neal(then a senior, who know plays football for Georgia Tech) in a double leg and beat him. While both Brock and Kurt's accomplishments are huge, most people consider being an NCAA championship not even anywhere near the accomplishment even making the olympic team is. Plus, Brock does not have any accomplishments in greco or freestyle.

 

For the person who asked about weight classes of the two, the classes in the high school, NCAA, and FILA are all different. In high school there is 189, 215(in most states), and 275 is heavy. In NCAA it is 197, then 285. When Angle was in the olympics, im pretty sure 220.5 was the weight class before heavyweight. So technically they would be in different weight classes, because Brock (right now at 295, so they say) would not even qualify to be an amatuer wrestler unless he cut.

 

For the person who asked about Cael Sanderson, he was 184 as a senior, and most amatuers they have gone after lately have been heavyweights. I wouldn't count on the WWF going after him. Plus he will definitly make a run for a freestyle world championship.