EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 11, 2003 Some fans in Philly have soured on Bobby Abreu, calling him an underachiever, and accusing him of not living up to his potential. I think they're wrong. One of the great things about baseball-reference.com is that it uses a statistical tool to determine statistically similar players. I looked up Bobby Abreu, and found an interesting comparison. I won't tell you who it is yet, but I'll run numbers here for player A(breu), and player B. I apologize in advance for formatting problems. AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB K BA/OBP/SLG A 3566 631 1091 250 40 136 569 170 64 635 793 306/409/513 B 3678 638 1096 213 38 126 566 97 56 495 584 298/380/479 I'd call them fairly similar players, with Abreu having a slight edge in rates. So who is the mystery player? It's Bernie Williams, at age 29. Basically, the Phillies have Bernie Williams in right field, and some fans want to replace him. Why? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted November 11, 2003 Because Philly fans love to hate Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spaceman Spiff 0 Report post Posted November 11, 2003 Well, he does have 209 more K's in 112 less AB's than Bernie. He's an OK player, but they can certainly upgrade if they're willing to spend the money (Vlad! Vlad! Vlad!). I really don't remember Abreu doing anything of note the last few weeks of the season as the Phillies were slipping out of wildcard contention. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 11, 2003 I'm not holding my breath on Guerrero. I think the Phillies are solid. What they really need are solid players to plug a rotation slot, the pen, and maybe a hitter/corner outfielder in case Burrell doesn't rebound. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted November 11, 2003 Is Bernie Williams making 12 mil a year? As I have said before, I have no problem with Abreu now. I have accepted the fact he is going to be a good-very good OF. I can understand, though, the people who still hold onto the idea that Abreu will be an elite play and why they think he underachieves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted November 11, 2003 How they can hate on Abreau more than Burrell still astounds me. At least Abreau actually showed up for the season...Burrell just plain sucked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted November 11, 2003 I'll also restate the idea that Abreu doesn't look like he gives a shit out on the field. He appears to be not giving his all (right or wrong), which can kill you in Philly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 11, 2003 Is Bernie Williams making 12 mil a year? I believe he is, actually. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
the pinjockey 0 Report post Posted November 11, 2003 Are you serious? Good lord. Well either way neither of them are worth that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spaceman Spiff 0 Report post Posted November 11, 2003 How they can hate on Abreau more than Burrell still astounds me. At least Abreau actually showed up for the season...Burrell just plain sucked. Burrell had more HR's than Abreu (21 to 20). I also loathe when Abreu faces lefties. They keep throwing the breaking ball low & away, and Abreu keeps fishing for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spaceman Spiff 0 Report post Posted November 11, 2003 Bernie produces in the playoffs. That's the only reason I can think of. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EVIL~! alkeiper 0 Report post Posted November 11, 2003 Bernie makes $12 Million a year because the market was higher at the time of his contract, and the Red Sox were very interested in signing him, so the Yankees felt pressured to keep him. As for the playoffs, Williams hit about the same as he does in the regular season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
