PPV's that get all the love that you hate

[Guest One Trick Pony]

Loved but I hate

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WCW Spring Stampede 99 (HATE THIS!)

Fully Loaded 00

 

Hated but I love

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Rumble 1994

Summerslam 1995

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Loved but I hate

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Unforgiven 2002

 

Hated but I love

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WM IX

[Guest Anglesault]

The first, say, half or so of Mania X-Seven is some of the most horrendously boring crap on earth.

 

Jericho/Regal, Ivory/Chyna, Test/Eddy, RTC/Tazz-APA, Raven/Show/Kane (which was okay, but not good)

 

Angle/Benoit is the only pre-TLC match worth mentioning.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

WM 10. I don't think the "big 2" matches are even that great. The Ladder match doesn't age well, and Bret/Owen had some goofiness in it.

 

WM 19 - HBK/Y2J, Austin/Rock, Brock/Angle, none of them really did anything for me (Austin/Rock did the first time I saw it cause I had low expectations, but the second time it was flat). The 4 way tag match wasn't given enough time and had a screwy ending. Matt/Rey was way too short.

 

WM 18 - It doesn't get a lot of love, but it gets enough for me to be annoyed by it.

 

I find a lot of the old WCW ppv's are a lot better than people make them out to be. Maybe it's because I dug the goofy shit they did and they had a lot of variety - plus, when Brain is announcing, it's always better.

 

Right now, the things that are not getting enough love (see, interest) is PRIDE in 2003. Pride 25, Pride TE, and now Pride FC - 3 of the best shows in MMA history in 1 year.... that's sick. And barely anyone is noticing. It's a fucking shame. UFC has had 2 great shows as well in UFC 43 and 44 and UFC 45 is lookin to be a good show (which means that's the bare minimum, unlike the WWE where "good" is something of a surprise.)

 

Vengeance wasn't as good as I would have liked. Benoit/Eddie was too spotty, the tag match was good but I was told it was MOTYC good. The 3 way was "whatever". The only match that I dug was Taker/Cena.

[Papacita 0]

I've said a bunch of times that I just do not get the love for SummerSlam 98. I don't hate it, but the result doesn't justify the hype going in.

 

X-7 really didn't do all that much for me either to tell the truth, although some of that had to do with the circumstances surrounding my viewing of the show (I didn't have cable at the time, so I had my brother tape it for me...and he did, but it took him a whole week to see the show, and by that time, Austin's heel turn had already been revealed to me [no surprise though], and the tape actually cut off the Hardcore match and the Taker/HHH match [which I *really* wanted to see]). TLC 2 was very overrated (the first one was mind blowing, but I just wasn't feeling the second), Austin/Rock was ok, but I could never get into it, and the finish didn't really sit well with me. Chyna and Ivory...no need to elaborate on that, and when I actually got to see it, I wasn't impressed at all by the HHH/Taker match.

 

As for shows I like but others hate...Rumble 95 (I've never heard anything good about that show, and I loved it so much) as well as Rumble 96, Rumble 93 (partially because that was my first Rumble), Wrestlemania 12...that's pretty much all I can think of right now.

 

Edit: Forgot my beloved Judgment Day 2001 (CHYNA VS LITA!!!!! YAY!!!!)

[Tawren 0]

Loved but I hate

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WCW Spring Stampede 99 (HATE THIS!)

Say WHAT? Please elaborate.

 

And I do not like WMX at all. The 2 matches are fine, but IMO, neither are ***** (although both are ****+). I do not understand ANY love for that show. Ditto with WM3.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

WM 3 I like, but not for the reason most people like it (Savage/Steamboat).

 

I totally dig the tag match between Can Am and Orton/Muracco and I loooove Hogan vs. Andre (fuck you workrate freaks*! That was fantastic storytelling and had the drahmuh!)

 

*Don't take it personally, I am still one of you... and I love you.

[Guest JMA]

I hate WrestleMania VI.

[the pinjockey 0]

Damn, RRR, you are such a dirty little Pride whore.

 

While I wouldn't put it as hated, I enjoyed WM 2000. It seems to be a forgotten WM, but even the worst stuff on the show was fun.

 

And I'll put in a nod for WMX-7 (ugh roman and numeric is retarded) as the most loved one that I really didn't get. The second half of it was good, but seeing it labeled as the best show ever when I was bored to tears for half of it I don't like.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I am not a Pride whore.... as I do not get paid for my services... I am a Pride slut.

[Kurt Angle Mark 0]

Show that I hated that people loved

 

Summerslam 2001. IMO the one show that started the huge downfall for the WWE. Angle should have won the belt. Booker T should have still been WCW champ. Taker/Kane killing DDP/Kanyon, X-Pac beating Tajiri. Worst booked show ever. In other words the Invasion angle died that day.

 

I even turn to my friend after the show and said "The WWF is screwed." Then they go on to book the worst month ever with Stone Cold Kurt Angle and Edge jobbing every match for three weeks, killing any heat the Edge/Christian feud might have had.

[Guest Megatron]

I really liked WM12. But maybe that's because I was there and got some good pictures. Plus, I was on TV for like 2 seconds during the pre-show.

[Use Your Illusion 0]

I love Wrestlemania 13, purely because of the fact it was the first WWF video I ever owned myself and because Bret beat the shit out of Steve Austin.

 

UYI

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I have that same relationship with WM 7. Not because it was the first WWE video that I owned, but because I had gotten the tape a day after the PPV - I treasured that motherfucker.

[Guest Ray]

Summerslam 2001. Angle should have won the belt.

No he should not have.

 

Austin was carrying the whole Alliance. Angle won the belt a month later and they had to put it right back on Austin because it failed. You say it was the day the InVasion died, but it would have died faster if they did what you wanted. Austin absolutely should have gone over there.

 

 

Not that I completely hate every match on the card, but Summerslam 2002 gets to much love. Especially that HORRIBLE PIECE OF GARBAGE Michaels-Triple H match.

 

Wrestlemania 17 is overrated. Only one truly great match (Austin-Rock). People always complain about it, but the McMahon finish actually ADDS to the greatness of this match. It makes the story of Austin's desperation to win even deeper.

[Guest Ray]

WM 10. I don't think the "big 2" matches are even that great. The Ladder match doesn't age well, and Bret/Owen had some goofiness in it.

What goofiness?

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Bret's selling - I found there was some flow problems - it was a bit disjointed. It could have been worked smarter.

[Papacita 0]

Summerslam 2001. IMO the one show that started the huge downfall for the WWE. Angle should have won the belt. Booker T should have still been WCW champ. Taker/Kane killing DDP/Kanyon, X-Pac beating Tajiri. Worst booked show ever. In other words the Invasion angle died that day.

 

Eh...I didn't hate SS 01, but yeah, the booking sucked. I was actually one of the few people that didn't mind that Angle/Austin finish (it was understandable given the storyline and the fact that they were trying to extend their feud), but having Booker drop the belt to Rocky was inexcusable. Had Booker gone over Rocky that night, not only would it have done a lot for Booker, but it would've made the Alliance a lot more credible. I agree that this show pretty much killed any hopes of a successful Invasion.

[Kurt Angle Mark 0]

Summerslam 2001.  Angle should have won the belt.

No he should not have.

 

Austin was carrying the whole Alliance. Angle won the belt a month later and they had to put it right back on Austin because it failed. You say it was the day the InVasion died, but it would have died faster if they did what you wanted. Austin absolutely should have gone over there.

 

 

It "failed" because Angle was never suppose to win the title at Unforgiven. They only gave it to him because of Sept 11. Linda said so herself at the share holders meeting, therefore there was no effort to actually give Angle a decent run . And if Angle was a failure then why did Raw go from averaging a 4.5 rating with Angle as champ to a 4.0 when Austin won it back, until Flair came in and brought the ratings back up.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Wow, and Shane McMahon owning WCW didn't?? Thus making it McMahon vs. McMahon rather than WCW vs. WWE??

 

Even Steph owning ECW didn't??

 

Even putting the Dudleys and Test along with Ivory and Austin in the Alliance didn't?

 

Wow, you just cling to hope like it's going out of style doncha?

[Papacita 0]

Wrestlemania 17 is overrated. Only one truly great match (Austin-Rock). People always complain about it, but the McMahon finish actually ADDS to the greatness of this match. It makes the story of Austin's desperation to win even deeper.

 

They never gave an adequate reason for why the hell Austin was so desperate to win the belt in the first place. I mean, he'd beaten Rock everytime they'd faced one another, and he even outlasted him in the 2001 Rumble, so he had already proven himself after the injury. And from what I can remember, you never really got the sense that Rock had Austin's number anytime during the build towards the match.

 

I dunno. The chair is somewhat understandable, but I don't see any reason why McMahon should've been involved in that finish.

[the pinjockey 0]

It wasn't Austin was desperate to beat Rocky. It was Austin was desperate to hold the belt. The whole lead up was about the belt being Austin's drug and him doing anything and everything to hold it. So the McMahon assistance did make sense, since that is the ultimate in desparation for the anti-authority Austin.

[Papacita 0]

Wow, and Shane McMahon owning WCW didn't?? Thus making it McMahon vs. McMahon rather than WCW vs. WWE??

 

Even Steph owning ECW didn't??

 

Even putting the Dudleys and Test along with Ivory and Austin in the Alliance didn't?

 

Wow, you just cling to hope like it's going out of style doncha?

It was still salvagable. The thing was, SummerSlam was probably their best opportunity to show everybody that the WCW guys were serious threats, and they blew it.

[Guest Anglesault]

Summerslam 2001.  Angle should have won the belt.

No he should not have.

 

Austin was carrying the whole Alliance. Angle won the belt a month later and they had to put it right back on Austin because it failed. You say it was the day the InVasion died, but it would have died faster if they did what you wanted. Austin absolutely should have gone over there.

 

 

It "failed" because Angle was never suppose to win the title at Unforgiven.

Which is ungodly stupid.

 

Have the babyface challenger fail two shows in a row (I actually heard they wanted him to lose the blow off at No Mercy too, which would have been the end for Angle.) makes no sense.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

The Invasion was DOA.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

I understand the DQ ending at SS to extend the feud, but to have Austin defeat Angle in the rematch in Kurt's own fucking hometown is just retarded, but that's WWE logic for ya.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

AS, just to clearify, do you think they will ever book Angle right?

[Guest Anglesault]

Even putting the Dudleys and Test along with Ivory and Austin in the Alliance didn't?

Ivory killed the InVasion?

[Guest Anglesault]

AS, just to clearify, do you think they will ever book Angle right?

Do I think it can be done or do I think they will actually do it right?

[Papacita 0]

It wasn't Austin was desperate to beat Rocky. It was Austin was desperate to hold the belt. The whole lead up was about the belt being Austin's drug and him doing anything and everything to hold it. So the McMahon assistance did make sense, since that is the ultimate in desparation for the anti-authority Austin.

But there was never really any indication that he couldn't win it. From his return at Unforgiven to Wrestlemania, Austin was pretty much always booked to look strong. There was no losing streak or anything, and when he did lose to HHH, they completely downplayed it in the storylines. Given the way they built to the match, you'd have to make a pretty big jump in logic to adequately explain why Austin would call for McMahon's assistance.