The College Football Championship Week Thread

[teke184 0]

Fluke loss? No, USC losing in triple overtime or Florida getting screwed by bad officiating is a fluke loss. OU getting its ASS KICKED by K-State is NOT a fluke loss, unless you mean fluke as "Our players didn't give a shit."

 

And, btw, if OU HAD lost to Texas and beaten K-State, the argument wouldn't be nearly as tilted against OU because all three teams would have lost at roughly the same time... not USC and LSU losing early in the season and OU losing their last game of the year.

[teke184 0]

BTW, Oklahoma COULD still be the national champions but a bunch of people will be PISSED because USC and LSU is the game a bunch of them feel should be the title game.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

You can't see clearly because you're a fan.

 

To me, sending a team that couldn't win their conferance to compete for the national title is like letting the team that loses the Pennant play for the World Series.

[Guest Just J]

There shouldn't be a tie.  The BCS is shit.  Logically LSU/USC should be the game.  Out of the top three the two had harder schedules and they both won their conferences.  OU has no legit claim to a national championship this year...logically.

Yet if they go and win there claim is right there.

Technically if they go to the National Title game and play like they did all year then I think they have that title cinched. If they play like they did against K-State...well like I said earlier.....LSU/USC 107-OU 0.

The thing is that at this point OU has no right to "go there" so what you are saying is not plausible.

Yes but OU more than likely....IS going. So therefore what I'm saying is very plausabile.

OU lost won game. So did USC and LSU. OU dominated there opponents worse than LSU or USC did. OU's numbers had people talking about "best ever".

I would say because of 1 fluke loss doesn't mean OU has no right to be there.

OU still has a right to be there based on there dominance and seasonal numbers.

 

Honestly though I think there are way to many Oklahoma haters. People were just waiting for them to lose so they could cry foul if they went. So if OU lost to Texas and then crushed K-State in the Conference Championship would people still be crying foul? Yes they probably would. Because OU is the devil or something and doesn't deserve shit.

 

Everyone always has some catch to them winning. Or some catch to there winning during the season.

If they'd done nothing but beat Top 10 teams all season people would still have SOMETHING to say.

I don't hat OU, I actually king of like them. But logically, they shouldn't play for a national championship.

[Vern Gagne 0]

You can make a case for LSU has #1 over USC. They dominated a Top 5 team, and although USC won 52-28, OSU did gain 528 yards. I'd have USC #1, but it shouldn't cause mass outrage if it was LSU.

[Damaramu 0]

Fluke loss? No, USC losing in triple overtime or Florida getting screwed by bad officiating is a fluke loss. OU getting its ASS KICKED by K-State is NOT a fluke loss, unless you mean fluke as "Our players didn't give a shit."

 

And, btw, if OU HAD lost to Texas and beaten K-State, the argument wouldn't be nearly as tilted against OU because all three teams would have lost at roughly the same time... not USC and LSU losing early in the season and OU losing their last game of the year.

I do mean it in fluke loss as in "It shouldn't have happened but OU played like they've never played before therefore they were killed" type fluke loss. If they'd played like they've been playing then it would not have happened. That is why it's a fluke loss.

And now you're just getting angry because OU is going to the national championship. Wonder how big your explosion will be if they beat LSU?

[Bored 0]

"So if OU lost to Texas and then crushed K-State in the Conference Championship would people still be crying foul?"

 

No...then they'd be in the same boat as USC and LSU.

 

Everyone who is the champion of their conference raise your hand.

 

Not so fast Oklahoma

I think what I should also added to the post where I explain what the possible changes in the BCS after the current contract is up is that a provision will be put in that you must win your conference to play for the national title. With the upcoming conference expansion ACC we're eventually going to get a point where the majority of the conferences have conference title games so to answer the fairness question of a team having to play an extra game to win their conference since most will eventually.

[Guest Just J]

You can't see clearly because you're a fan.

 

To me, sending a team that couldn't win their conferance to compete for the national title is like letting the team that loses the Pennant play for the World Series.

Exactly!

[teke184 0]

My big explosion would be "Well, OU kicked our asses but the game SHOULD have been LSU-USC", but that wouldn't necessarily mean that LSU would have beaten USC either.

[Damaramu 0]

But THEY ARE doing it. You're saying it shouldn't happen. But it IS happening. And I'm just trying to gauge how many people are going to say "They aren't really the national champions" whenever they actually are the national champions(assuming they win).

Now if LSU wins the national title game...how many people will be complaining that they aren't really the national champions? Not as many as if OU wins.

 

The reason I get the "OU is hated on" argument is because well that's the way it seems. Everyone seems to be calling for OU's blood and wishing that they'd fail. Then they finally fail but the rest of the season keeps them solid and people explode on that.

Like I said...if all they did was dominate Top 10 teams all season...there'd still be some complaint.

Hell I heard complaints that they were "unsportsman like" for dominating teams.

[Damaramu 0]

My big explosion would be "Well, OU kicked our asses but the game SHOULD have been LSU-USC", but that wouldn't necessarily mean that LSU would have beaten USC either.

But OU would be national champions. And that's the way it would go down. And as an OU fan..that's all that matters...the national title.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

"But THEY ARE doing it. You're saying it shouldn't happen. But it IS happening"

 

Oh...what a proud champion. *feels like singing team's fight song*

[Vern Gagne 0]

In that case shouldn't only conference champions be allowed into the Final Four?

[Agent_Bond34 0]

2 of the 3 problems with the BCS (presuming Oklahoma goes) have been letting teams that didn't win their own conference play for the national title.

Yep

 

And we all remember the Nebraska fiasco, too.

[Damaramu 0]

2 of the 3 problems with the BCS (presuming Oklahoma goes) have been letting teams that didn't win their own conference play for the national title.

Yep

 

And we all remember the Nebraska fiasco, too.

But Nebraksa wasn't that good. Oklahoma's numbers still point to them being the best team in the nation and tonight's game being a fluke.

Cause think about it. Think about the way OU has played all season. Watch tonights game. Did they play the same way they have been playing? NO. They played like a bunch of guys who thought the game was a forgone conclusion after there first touchdown. That's OU's main flaw. There ego.

[Vern Gagne 0]

Oregon should of taken care of their own business. Same with these 3 teams, and whoever else feels they've been snubbed.

[teke184 0]

The funny fucking piece of irony is that LSU and TCU were both involved in that mess, as LSU's upset of Tennessee cleared the way for Colorado, Nebraska, and Oregon while TCU beating Southern Miss put Nebraska just over Oregon in the BCS.

[Damaramu 0]

Oregon should of taken care of their own business. Same with these 3 teams, and whoever else feels they've been snubbed.

Exactly. They all lost 1 game. They're all on even footing here.

OU lost 1 game. Yes but they also dominated the season like nobody else in history except for 95 Nebraska. That right there should shoot them up as deserving of the National Title game.

[Bored 0]

In that case shouldn't only conference champions be allowed into the Final Four?

Weak comparison. Winning your conference is much more significant in football than basketball as Conference tournaments have ruined college basketball. I'm not a huge fan of conference title games in football but in any conference you have more than 9 teams you can't play every team in the conference so its always possible the top two teams in a conference don't even play each other in a given year. It ended being a moot point after the fact but it was a big deal last year when Ohio State and Iowa didn't play each other and both finished undefeated in the Big Ten.

[Guest Just J]

In that case shouldn't only conference champions be allowed into the Final Four?

Now your comparing apples and oranges.

 

OU only played and beat 2 top 25 teams and didn't win their conference. LSU played and beat a top 5 ranked team twice.

 

There is nothing left to be said.

[Bored 0]

Oregon should of taken care of their own business. Same with these 3 teams, and whoever else feels they've been snubbed.

But Oregon's didn't get blown out in their final game of season like Nebraska did and Oregon went on and blew out the team that blew out Nebraska in Colorado. Its Oregon's fault they were #2 in both human polls but because computer say there weren't?

[Damaramu 0]

Well guys it's been a fun argument. But we're all arguing over what MIGHT happen.

I'm going to bed now. I'll wake up tomorrow and find out where everyone stands and we can pick this up again.

We'll see where OU goes on the BCS and if USC moves up to 1 in the AP.

[Damaramu 0]

In that case shouldn't only conference champions be allowed into the Final Four?

Now tour comparing apples and oranges.

 

OU only played and beat 2 top 25 teams and didn't win their conference. LSU played and beat a top 5 ranked team twice.

 

There is nothing left to be said.

OU dominated there opponents and embarassed just about all of them. They lost a game because they thought they were hot shit not because they weren't good enough.

Nuff said.

[teke184 0]

Oregon should of taken care of their own business. Same with these 3 teams, and whoever else feels they've been snubbed.

Exactly. They all lost 1 game. They're all on even footing here.

OU lost 1 game. Yes but they also dominated the season like nobody else in history except for 95 Nebraska. That right there should shoot them up as deserving of the National Title game.

First law of poll dynamics and public perception- A late loss is MUCH more harmful than an early loss.

 

Result- OU losing the last game of the regular season is MUCH worse than USC or LSU losing midway through the season.

 

OU's domination throughout the year was impressive, but LSU's put up numbers just as good on both sides of the ball while USC's offense can match OU's offense.

[Vern Gagne 0]

Oregon should of taken care of their own business. Same with these 3 teams, and whoever else feels they've been snubbed.

But Oregon's didn't get blown out in their final game of season like Nebraska did and Oregon went on and blew out the team that blew out Nebraska in Colorado. Its Oregon's fault they were #2 in both human polls but because computer say there weren't?

Don't ge me wrong, Bored. Oregon was more deserving than Nebraska. I just don't cry foul when a 1 loss team makes it over another one.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

"OU dominated there opponents and embarassed just about all of them"

 

 

So which is it...are you going to hide behind the BCS since they will go to a championship they shouldn't...

 

OR

 

Are you going to keep talking about their margin of victory...which is no longer factored into the BCS?

[Damaramu 0]

What I'm trying to say is that OU is disrespected to much here.

They impress the hell out of everyone over the season.

"Oh well there schedule was to easy. They aren't good."

They lose not because they aren't good enough but because they didn't try going in.

"HA! That proves they suck! They don't deserve anything! Good riddance!"

 

Then if they win the National Title.

"They don't deserve that! They suck! Boo!"

[Damaramu 0]

"OU dominated there opponents and embarassed just about all of them"

 

 

So which is it...are you going to hide behind the BCS since they will go to a championship they shouldn't...

 

OR

 

Are you going to keep talking about their margin of victory...which is no longer factored into the BCS?

I'm saying they should be at least #2 in the AP poll because of the way they played the season.

And they will win the National Championship game because of the BCS.

And still saying they shouldn't go to the National Title game is absurd. They are a 1 loss team...just like the other 1 loss teams. They have more impressive numbers than both of those 1 loss teams.

They deserve to be there. They had a fluke loss because they thought they were hot shit.

But overall they were the best team in the country. That loss didn't come because they weren't good enough.

[Vern Gagne 0]

Oregon should of taken care of their own business. Same with these 3 teams, and whoever else feels they've been snubbed.

Exactly. They all lost 1 game. They're all on even footing here.

OU lost 1 game. Yes but they also dominated the season like nobody else in history except for 95 Nebraska. That right there should shoot them up as deserving of the National Title game.

First law of poll dynamics and public perception- A late loss is MUCH more harmful than an early loss.

 

Result- OU losing the last game of the regular season is MUCH worse than USC or LSU losing midway through the season.

 

OU's domination throughout the year was impressive, but LSU's put up numbers just as good on both sides of the ball while USC's offense can match OU's offense.

Very true. When you lose is crucial. Especially in the polls.

 

What about this idea. Get rid of the 2 polls. An argument could be made that the computers are more likely to take the entire year into account, more so than the polls would be. Adjustments would have to be made, but whose to say computers wouldn't be more accurate than sports writers, and coaches.

[Damaramu 0]

At least the computer wouldn't be prone to a human bias....